Do they also have another name? Did not see anthing bounce back in Cabela's search for them. I think I got a pair of these two becuase someone on the board swore by them for bait. Might have been you in fact. Didn't fish much bait last year but will this year. If I recall the guy who recommended them said you could strip line thru them. I never quite figured out how to use them but someday maybe we could hook up and I could see what you do.