Laughing like crazy, I figured i would follow your example, who better then a Great Fisherman like yourself I can def. see where your coming from as far as the kicker in your arms, my battery was pretty heavy too LOL Take Care God Bless and Good Luck in the Derby to you too Will be monitoring ch12 on the radio faithfully if you have a radio if not look for a red/white citation and give me a Wave Take Care Hal Haven't seen you on the board in quite some time!!!!!!! Tight Lines Dave!!! Thank god the water was a little warmer then when you fell in though BRRRRRRRRR