It's arlarming to mr that in the past month I have had orders for these cheater lines this is the first time in the 9 years since I have been at the store.Now I read the site everyday and ilucas mentions cheater lines and the very next day comes in the store,he took it upon himself to identify who he is,and I told him that if he didn't watch out what he was doing then Fish & Game would be knocking on his door.He thanked me and must have really not known the law necause he checks into it with fish and game and posts that he made a mistake.Thats fine I'm sorry he didn't feel like pizza after.Now back to you I was making a statement that most of the people who have ordered these cheaters know exactly that they are cheaters and bottom line is that when all of a sudden we have fisherpeople using double lines at all times the fishing is going downhill ie; quality,quanity,and it will snowball right down the line,
As for the dinner comment I said invited guest I don't turn people away either but if you invite someone fishing you have to know ahead of time and that person needs to plan to spend money for a fishing licence or maybe people try it out without investing money and fish illegal I don't know for sure.As for kids who don't need a license I would think that whoever is taking them would not worry how many lures are in the water but help the learn the sport.Final comment I'll go back to reading the site and not posting.GOOD FISHING TOO ALL OF YOU

DID YOU HAVE MONEY RIDING ON WHO WOULD BE THE FIRST TO GET CAUGHT YA THATS IT THAT WOULD BE AWESOME FOR BUSINESS WOULDN'T IT LOSS OF LICENSE MEANS NO FISHING WHICH MEANS NO CUSTOMERS.KIDDING OR NOT I DON'T LIKE COMMENTS LIKE THAT...I KNEW IN THIS CASE HE DIDN'T KNOW THE LAW. BUT I DO KNOW PLENTY WHO DO AND DON'T SEEM TO CARE.SO LETS ALL ENJOY THIS SITE AND NOT USE IT TO ARGUE I PUT UP MY E-MAIL ADDRESS TO DISCUSS THIS IN A PRIOR POST, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT HERE.

upon reading officer Viar quote, they way i am understanding his explanation is that as long as u are using 1 pole and add the Cheater to it it is your 2nd line, no more poles for that fisherperson in the water, and that is exactly what i did. i think the term cheating is connected to it because you could actualy have4 lines in the water using only 2 poles without be detected.

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Further clarification: in the scenario I presented, if you are fishing alone and have one line out with a dropper, cheater, or any branch, not only can you not put out another rod with a similar set up, but you could not put out another rod period since you have used your two lines with the first branched rig (putting an additional rod out even without a branch would now make for a total of 3 lines, one over legal limit)- feel free to email me if any further questions...
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so that brings me back to officer Viars quote, does anyone else understand it as 1 pole + cheater = 2 lines w/ no other poles in the water for that fisherperson?

still confused

ilucas

I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT MULTIPLE FLIES OR A CAST OF FLIES NOT LURES,THAT HE IS BEING QUOTED ON I COULD BE WRONG.I CAN'T GET THAT FAR BACK IN THE COMPUTER TO RE READ IT.BUT I DO KNOW YOU CAN USE 2 FLIES ON 1 LINE AND IT COUNTS AS 2 LINES IF YOU BRANCH THE LINES.

i think i may see it now in slipknots post were he quotes the rule as "an artificial bait" w/ artificial bait being singular and cast of flies and hooks being plural as being attatched to a line or pole

ilucas

Pretty funny stuff here... Ya know I honestly was kidding, sorry you didn't take it that way. Obviously you want people to be licensed or you would sell less gear.
I didn't realize we were arguing? So, again, sorry you think that too. I'm pretty sure I even wrote in one post that I wasn't arguing or trying to cause a ruckus??? Just playing "devils advocate" and seeing where the discussion went.
Next time, I'll just keep my mouth shut and save my discussions for when I'm face to face with you so you can see that I'm kidding. That's the one problem with email or message boards, you can't see a persons expressions and so things may come across different than they are. Had I thought this was anything other than general "discussion" trust me, I would have kept it private email or face to face.
Truly am sorry I came across wrong... my apologies to anyone I may have upset. Craig

Just noticed the other bit you wrote earlier... sorry, hadn't seen it before.
First off, its odd that people are BUYING cheaters? Its only a swivel and piece of mono...???
But mainly, I do agree with you... if people are running these on EVERY rod, that WILL hurt our sport. I definitely agree that we need to keep the two line max per person. I was only talking about these as using them as a "stacker" not doubling your legal quantity of lines.
Oh well... guess I didn't word things quite right.

So, why do you just read and not post? Its good to have you post... You see and hear things on a daily basis at the store that we may never see or think about. Your posting would only add to this site. The perspective you have on things is going to be different than mine and perhaps others... thats a GOOD thing. Discussions like this are a benefit as it gets everyone thinking and seeing things from a different angle.
I hope you reconsider your above statement and continue to comment on what you see here.
Take care... I'll be in the store soon, Craig

Im still lost on the whole quote from John Viar, the way i read it if you use 1 pole with a cheater (IE second lure) that accounts for your two lines in the water??????//// But don't mind me Im just a dumb frenchman from up North LOL Take CAre God Bless and Tight Lines LOL DAve From up North

For the record - my 3 fly droppers were in line - each fly and tippet tied to the hook bend of the previous. So it was legal.

For those of you who are fining YOY smelt balls - try two or 3 small winni smelt streamers in line and slow way down when you are near the bait...