Finally got to Winni. First time since the derby. I tied up a few of my own white perch-type flies. I had it in the water about 3 minutes and got a nice bow. Then I got two runts and a nice 18 inch female salmon. Lost three others on the same fly. Then I read where they are hitting just about anything, so now I don't feel too special. LOL I'm still going to use them next time out. Joe