Hey there Bob, didn't try any live bait at all. That's the first time we've ever done well trolling (I still say it's "The Tubb" LOL) but the way you explained is the only way I ever fished with dear old grandpa and LOVED (and miss) Every Minute of it. There were about 5 boats anchored in 28' of water by the sandbar but in all honesty they weren't catching anything, every time we trolled by them we would catch one, got to the point were we could hear them saying "Here comes that Starcraft again, we taking bets there gonna hook up again?" It was kind of funny and if not for dear old momma nature we would have stayed a little longer. We were trolling 2.1 to 2.3 picking up both lakers and salmon. Take Care God Bless LOL Dave