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Four of us have been running around in circles attempting to identify the father of Barzillai Douglass born around North Kingstown, RI. One of the researchers has come up with the following: Robert Douglass 6-8-1588 to ? >William 8-9-1610 Eng. died 7-26-1682 New London, CN, USA (1st in USA)>William 4-1-1645 Mass. d 3-9-1724 > William 7-19-
1672 CN, USA to 8-10-1717 >James 5-20-1711 RI,USA to 10-18-1785 >Barzillai Douglass 4-9-1740 RI to 1825 NY.
This is supposition right now. But can anyone tell me that any one of these is out of place? Or give me hints to follow up on?
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This problem has been around for a while, and I will have a search to see what I can find now that I have got the database back up and running again.
in the meantime, here is his gravestone: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=48274016
I'm completely stuck at the exact same point. ANY help would be completely appreciated! I thought getting stuck at McLaneton Douglass was a brick wall (the name was butchered in the census rolls and he was even posted as a female - Melanchy- at one point). To come to a complete stop is like checking a book out at the library and finding someone has torn out the last part of the book
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this isn't my line, but someone from this line did a DNA test.
they are kit number: 74868
there is only one tester, so you probably need more, but the tester is in Haplogroup: R1b Subclade: R1b1a2a1a1a4 (R-U106/L48)
and the William b. 1610's descendants are in
R1b Group Type 1: (R-U106). From an ancestor of William Douglas, 1610, New London
not sure what it means, but they didn't but them in the same group
Just an fyi
Julie
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Barzillai Douglass & Mercy Congdon are 4th great-grandparents of mine. After extensive research I found nothing concrete on Barzillai's parents, but did suspect George Douglass of North Kingston, RI to be somehow related to Barzillai. I've done an Ancestry DNA test, so I first entered William Douglas of New London, CT (his wife also & both their lines on back) as Barzillai's grandfather thru W's son Peter & his wife Lydia Fox, following her line back on my Ancestry DNA tree. After several months of waiting I had no matches. So I omitted all that info & entered George Douglass & his wife Mary Hathaway of North Kingston as Barzillai's grandparents & entered their daughter Ann for Barzillai's mother. No father. I got a DNA match with Ancestry member DebDouglass, her line all Douglass' following back to George. Then I got another match with a Hathaway descendant, but not thru Mary Hathaway, wife of George. It was thru one of her siblings & back to their father. Twice as good, as it tells me that I am a descendant of both the Hathaway & Douglass line thru George & Mary. Don't know exactly who Barzillai's parents are, but since Barzillai & Mercy named their first child, a daughter, Ann (my 3rd great-grandmother), I entered Ann Douglass as the mother of Barzillai, no father. It's entirely possible Ann did not have the chance to marry. Lots of things could have happened there, so he kept his mother & grandfather's name? If you follow Barzillai's family line down, you'll see there are a lot of progeny named "George" in the Douglass line. TLK
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Very interesting, TLK.
It might be worth giving this further promotion. Would you be prepared to post this on the other forum?
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Would you mind posting this onto the Douglas DNA list? or the Rootsweb Douglas list?
I don't know too much about the DNA tests, but this doesn't sound like the yDNA test and I believe there are a couple females who are from Brazilla's line on them and would be interested in what you have found.
Thank you for doing this!
Julie
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As per my earlier post, I have shared ancestors in George Douglass & Mary Hathaway of North Kingston, RI, my ancestry=George & Mary, to Ann(?), to Barzillai Douglass, to Ann Lucy Douglass, to Charles Brown, to Sarah Brown, to John H. Wilson, to S. Wilson, to me, TLK....results of my DNA test thru Ancestry.com. The Tree holder I share George & Mary with is "debdouglass_1", on Ancestry.com, her line running: George & Mary (our common ancestry), to John David Douglass, to Thomas Douglass, to John Howe Douglass, to Thomas H. Douglass, to Charles Douglass, to George Washington Douglass, to John Paul Douglass, to "debdouglass_1".
Concurrently, I have shared ancestry with Tree holder "J.P." on Ancestry, our common ancestors being Arthur Hathaway & Sarah Cooke. My side=Arthur & Sarah to John Hathaway, to Mary Hathaway, to Ann(?)Douglass, to Barzillai Douglass, to Ann Lucy Douglass, to Charles Brown, to Sarah Brown, to John Wilson, to S. Wilson, to me. For J.P.=Arthur & Sarah, to John Hathaway, to Ebenezer Hathaway, to Ruth Hathaway, to John Derias Perry, to Daniel Augustus Perry, to Roy Daniel Perry, to "J.P.".
The first DNA test connects both George Douglass & Mary Hathaway as joint/common ancestors to both debdouglass & myself. The second test connects both Arthur Hathaway & Sarah Cooke to J.P. & myself. So my test shows not only connecting Hathaway DNA, but also Cooke & Douglass. As I am understanding the type of DNA test Ancestry performed, I think if I had picked a sibling of Ann Douglass (daughter of George & Mary), I still would have come up with positive results, with George & Mary still being Barzillai's grandparents, so exactly which child of George & Mary was the parent of Barzillai Douglass is still unclear, but I have chosen Ann as Barzillai Douglass & Mercy Congdon named their first child "Ann".
The book "Mayflower Families Through Five Generations", Vol. 12 (Francis Cooke), has the Hathaway line included, Mary Hathaway being the 5th generation from Francis. This book goes one step further & includes Mary's father's will, in which his children are named, mentioning George Duglass, husband of daughter Mary. As I recall, the children of George Douglass & Mary Hathaway are also named in that book. Barzillai was not mentioned as one of them. Ergo, a grandson.
Also, on FindaGrave, go to United States/Wisconsin/Waukesha County/Prairie Home Cemetery. There you will find a Barzillai Douglass, b. 1806. d. 1898. He was the son of George Douglass & grandson of Barzillai Douglass, b. 1740. Someone has posted the obituary of the younger Barzillai Douglass which sheds a little light on the origins of this Scottish family.
George Douglass married Mary Hathaway at Dartmouth, MA, USA (in the Francis Cooke book). I have not been able to find more info on him & would love to see it posted if anyone can trace his family back further than his supposed birth in the early 1690's.
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Thank you for keeping us up to date with your research.
This my entry for George and Mary Douglas: http://douglashistory.co.uk/history/george_douglas11.html Note that his entry has him as both Douglas and Douglass as well as George Duggles or George Duglas.
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http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=48274016&PIpi=40950384
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William: thanks so much for posting that info on Barzillai Douglass. Now everyone will know what I have found re: his origins. All the info you posted is what I had found in my own intensive research. If I had any more to add, I would. What I don't know for sure is which child of George & Mary (Hathaway) Douglass was the parent of Barzillai. Maybe that can be figured out by a process of elimination. I do know for certain though that I have common ancestry with another descendant of George & Mary, the only possible connection to them in my genealogy would be Barzillai. Also common ancestry with Arthur Hathaway, Jr. & Sarah Cooke (grandparents of Mary (Hathaway) Douglass. You and "Julie" can feel free to post my DNA results on other forums. My only posting will be on this website.
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A Barzillai Douglass researcher from northern Illinois has been working relentlessly on his parents' identities and is determined that his parents are James Duglass and Hannah Cole who were married Apr. 30, 1739 (Rhode Island Marriages 1724-1916 from Ancestry.com). I am not going to continue with this project (my daughter-in-law's family tree) since I am not as sharp as I was) but would like to hear arguments as to the possibility of this. Thanks.
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You are talking about the Barzillai who was born in 1740 and died in 1825 Right?
http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=48274016
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RE: Sept/2015 message from "Julie" on Barzillai Douglass--I too have had my DNA tested thru Ancestry.com. I entered William Douglas of New London, CT, his wife Ann Mattle & any of their ancestors I could find onto my DNA tree & used their son Peter Douglas & wife Lydia Fox as 'possible' parents of Barzillai Douglass. It was a case of "Douglas" of New London, CT vs. "Douglass" of North Kingstown, RI--single "s" vs. double "s". I even followed Lydia Fox's lineage back as far as I could find it. I left all those names in my DNA tree on Ancestry for several months & never got a DNA match for common ancestry.
I then entered the name "George Douglass" & wife "Mary Hathaway" of North Kingstown, RI & two days later I got a match with a descendant of theirs thru their son John David Douglass. Within a month I got one more match, this time further back thru the Hathaway line to Mary's father, Arthur Hathaway, Jr. & his wife Sarah Cooke as common ancestors. Since Barzillai Douglass' marriage to Mercy Congdon can be found in North Kingstown records I think we can now safely assume that George & Mary are the grandparents of Barzillai Douglass. His actual Douglass parent is up for grabs, as I think my autosomal DNA test would show any of George & Mary's children to have the same DNA to qualify as Barzillai's parent. I chose their daughter Ann Douglass simply because they named their first born child (daughter) Ann. It being all important in the 1600, 1700 & 1800's to name your first children after the parents or grandparents, then after other family members with succeeding children. I think Barzillai & Mercy named their first child after Barzillai's mother.
If anyone out there has taken an autosomal DNA test & wishes to contact me for the family I got for common ancestry match for Barzillai's other parent, I would love to hear from you. If you want to contact me personally I hope webmaster William Douglas would be good enough to forward your message to me. I do wish confirmation on the paternal line of Barzillai Douglass before I go public with this information.
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The more information you can give about the people you mention, the more chance there is of someone else connecting with your family.
Dates and places of births, deaths and marriages all help to place families.
Professions also help.
'My great-grandmother mother was a Douglas from Montrose' does not give many clues to follow up! But a bit of flesh on the bones makes further research possible. But if we are told who she married, what his profession was and where the children were baptised, then we can get to work.
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I have a family member that published a book about our closest Douglas history in 2001.
With current internet data, I was able to fill in some more blanks.
Not confirmed, but from my research,
Barzillai Douglass 1740-1825
Was illegitimate son to
Barzillai Richmond 1721-1796
And
Ann Douglass 1725-??
Ann Douglass was daughter to
George Douglass 1692-1754
And
Mary Hathaway Douglass 1694-1754
All of North Kingstown RI
Looks like she Ann was around 15 and Barzillai Richmond was 19 when son Barzillai Douglass was born. They were never married.
Barzillai Richmond was Married and had many children with another woman.
Any information about George Douglass, specifically where he’s buried would be appreciated.
Also any information about Ann Douglas and any future marriage, or information about death would be great.
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Don,
Barzillai crops up from time to time, but I have never done a thorough search for details. Perhaps now is the time, but I also want to research Douglas blacksmiths, as they tend to be father to son businesses, and this might prove a useful exercise. And they are just two of many tasks that have gone undone.
George Douglas was a Blacksmith, and that knowledge might lead to learning who his father was.
I assume that he was buried in the area where he lived, in North Kingstown, Rhode Island, but have nothing on this.
Are you a descendant?
Yours aye,
William
see more: http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/george_douglas11.html
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