Mr Lloyd is blatantly ignoring what is on this website. This site has a simple outlook. Christians are liars and obfuscators and Mr Lloyd continues proudly in that tradition.




It is tedious to say again here what has already been said on the pages. There are hundreds of pages of argument, though Mr Lloyd prefers to say it is unwarranted assertion. Doubtless readers of this forum will read and make up their own minds who merely asserts. Ultimately, Christianity is faith (trust, if that is Mr Lloyd's preferred word), which means that Christianity falls back on assertions that must be held by the faithful -- dogma! To argue otherwise is dishonest, but that is typically Christian. Mr Lloyd's dire contribution carries on in like manner. Despite his attempt to make out these pages are assertion without argenent, what he himself asserts is answered on the pages. Just ignore this man's vain attempt to say otherwise and read them to get the answers he pretends are not there. Just to give an example of the man's dishonesty and suggest follow ups...






When Mr Lloyd speaks of hidden agendas, I imagine he means the fact that Christianity is a scam for extracting mites from widows. Ministers of religion are paid for doing nothing useful. They have no skills and no strengths, so they cannot do anything of practical value in the world. They therefore pretend they have a special knowledge or even a direct line to God and charge simple and undiscerning people for pleading individual cases before God. They are no less than confidence tricksters, yet it is a confidence trick that is permitted by society because Christianity is 'our' religion. Mr Lloyd will say I am making assertions, but nothing I say equals the incredible assertions that Christians make on no authority at all, other than that of previous Christians.




Mr Lloyd pretends, as usual, that Christians debate about truth, when everything they say is based on falsehood. What sort of argument is it to say, without evidence, that people in Israel will not deny the existence of Jesus. Even if it is true, it it not proof that Jesus did exist. Historical facts are not established by majority vote. It is however a popular Christian ploy to pretend it is. It looks impressive to the people they want to gull. More lies...




'The evidence is there and Jewish scholars will confirm it (they may have different conclusions but that is another matter). Jewish and Roman records also confirm the history and also other non-believing writers who confirmed the miracles, ascribing them to Satan (but not denying them).'




This is simply wrong. It is fully refuted on these pages, and Mr Lloyd is doing what dishonest Christians always do, ignoring the evidence and baldly reasserting their own lies.




The word which means generation in Greek when Jesus says, 'Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done,' also means nation, people or race (whence the word genocide), allowing the cunning and deceitful nodern Christian to pretend that Jesus prophesied that he would return at his parousia only when the Jewish race ended. If that were the only way in which Jesus made this prophesy, there would be room for doubt, but the original Christians were expecting a quick return as Paul the Apostle confirms while he denigrated the Jews, and proof of the correct interpretation is not hard to find because Jesus also said 'Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.' Jesus was himself expecting God's final miracle. 2000 years later we are still waiting and Jesus was hung for his mistake.




Christians depend upon their potential converts being ignorant of the bible, as indeed most people are, so that they can give partial explanations like Lloyd's and seem convincing. It is truth to Christians, and to no one else who knows what truth means..

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