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Re: Re: Daily crazines life story


I agree Dear Holger and as far as I can understand you


suggest that you must have an amount of arrogance so


you can have any possibility to succed . But the problem is what happens when you can't find addressing yourself to appropriate people , or you are discovering they are doing illegal things [copying porno CD-DVDs for example ],


and finally there isn't any large market - in my country at least - for artists , graphic/multimedia designers etc , or most positions have been occupied already . So I am reach to a point sometimes doubting about my abilities , or I must try something between everything and not something particularly . Not a painter , a graphic designer , neither video/maker , director , programmer but a bit of everything I suppose . But the problem remains finding [in my place] finding 'right' people , having a


dialogue with them and matching properly . See ?



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the reaction on shy and decent presented earning imaginations cannot win the game I'm afraid. The above described reaction of a "personal director" is nearly everywhere the same - at least to my and especially U-She's professional experiences (and she is a real master designer!) Therefore you should obey to one basic rule: demand 3 times as high and see the interviewer falling off his chair. If he is interested you will meet somewhere around the middle. One director gave me once a good advice: obedient children don't get anything. Time to learn.

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I wonder how much creativity - or not - would you expect


when you are looking for job - lets say as a graphic designer or someone concerned with graphic / multimedia arts - and you find in ads they are asking for an employee


having that knowledge . So you might expect that you


found at last what you were seeking for , not outside


from your personal interests , doing something creative and you can earn some money from that . But what happens when you discover the working place as a shop


with a label about gifts , or under a vault with kitsch


furnitures and chairs, plastic penises - genitals and


cheapa -fainty posters about aphrodisiacs , stimulants [Viagra] pills and so on .


And as you are questioning about the ad they are telling you wait for a while anyone might be responsible . So having realized you are in a porn-


shop [ also a clinic room in between with men and women


wearing white robes ] they are calling you to meet


some people discussing with them about your knowledge or showing them your work in a CD portfolio . But when discussion ending up about your basic salary and your


time shift [full time/part time] - lets say at least 300


euros per month - then you become faced with your


employer[boss], that looks a fatsy , ill-hearted


man in a small room half-lied in a bed and expressing


his own objections , telling you incomprehensible things


that you are not experienced or you cant have such


demands asking for basic salaries and so on , so you


deserve at least half payment . But then when you say


that you are not that unskilled , he answers that if you want more , you must be an experienced professional


and you can pay also . But after that I became angry


with myself that I was too polite with them ,


and telling everyone where to shove that amount of money.


Maybe a good accusation or denunciation could be an


appropriate reaction I think ...






























Re: Re: Daily crazines life story


I agree Dear Holger and as far as I can understand you


suggest that you must have an amount of arrogance so


you can have any possibility to succed . But the problem happens when you can't address yourself to appropriate people , or you are discovering they are doing illegal things [copying porno CD-DVDs for example ],


and finally there isn't any large market - in my country at least - for artists , graphic/multimedia designers etc , or most positions have been occupied already . So I am reach to a point sometimes doubting about my abilities , or I must try something between everything and not something particularly . Not a painter , a graphic designer , neither video/maker , director , programmer but a bit of everything I suppose . But the problem remains finding [in my place] finding 'right' people , having a


dialogue with them and matching properly . See ?



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the reaction on shy and decent presented earning imaginations cannot win the game I'm afraid. The above described reaction of a "personal director" is nearly everywhere the same - at least to my and especially U-She's professional experiences (and she is a real master designer!%2

Re: Daily crazines life story

Well I can tell you how to apply creativity to NOT getting a job ...




Now I'm not a graphic artist. In fact, Holger and I - both of whom freely admit to not being able to draw a damn thing - once compared our drawing abilities, and, well, Holger won by a mile (a lovely sketch of Ascot or something, search through the old news and you'll find it).




Of course my lack of drawing talent did not prevent me from once attempting to land a job at a department store. Do you know the window displays that are common in these shops? There was an ad in the newspaper that said this shop was in need of -




WINDOW DRESSER FOR UPSCALE DEPARTMENT STORE


REAL TALENT NEED ONLY APPLY


BRING PORTFOLIO




Sure thing! Since I did not have a portfolio, I quickly made one. I made some quick collages, drew a few sketches for window designs and tossed it in a large folder that had for some reason been given to me after my grandmother's funeral. It was a tacky and cheap looking black vinyl, large size portfolio (so that you won't misplace the bills they give you in the midst of your grief) that said on the front (in flaking gold letters)-




WE FEEL YOUR LOSS!


HILLCREST FUNERAL HOME


TEXAS' FAVORITE FUNERAL HOME


REST IN ETERNAL PEACE




Armed with such an impressive package, how could they not be impressed?! I arrived at the interview only to be led into a waiting room filled with nervous recent art school graduates, fidgeting with their portfolios. Trendy dressers all, talking amongst themselves about the schools they graduated from, the exhibit they almost attained and how they really need this job. One woman asked me where I had obtained my degree.




"I have a philosophy degree. The young Marx dreamed that every man would one day be an artist, so here I am!"




I then showed her my portfolio with its funereal decoration. "Didn't cost me a cent, you see?"




She obviously thought I was crazy, but that was nothing compared to what the interviewer thought. He asked about my "curious-looking" portfolio. I gazed it and said, "Yes, I only wish I was as talented as the guy who did the lettering on this!"




I then showed him my sample window display sketches. I explained that my work "captures the speeding moment of the new dynamic of late capitalism." I then produced a sketch which showed a big banner featuring Benneton and Levi's logos (I clipped them from a magazine) with the words "COME SPEND YOUR MONEY AT THIS SHOP AND NOT ANOTHER SHOP ELSEWHERE!". The "winter fashions" display had a similar banner, with the words "WINTER IS HERE. KEEP WARM. BURN FIRES AND BUY EXPENSIVE WINTER CLOTHING!!!" Oh yes, another sketch featured a banner in hot pink which stated, "IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD THESE, JUST KEEP WALKING!"




The interviewer was becoming more and more enraged. Finally he yelled, "Are you nuts or is this a joke???? Tell me, did Diedre in Supply put you up to this??? I bet it was Diedre! I knew it! That Diedre!"




"Well, no," I said, "I don't know who Diedre is. I am a very talented artist and I deserve to have the job. I want to make capitalism glamorous! I can work with any color of clothing you can name. If you give me a few minutes, I can sketch you my conception of a runway fashion show with a autumnal theme ..."




Wouldn't you know it - he threw me out of his office then and there. A few weeks later, I happened to pass by this shop and took notice of the window displays. Very boring. I really WAS much more imaginative than whoever it was they ended up hiring. Who would've thought?




Perhaps Holger and I can introduce the Ascot fashions next season.








Re: Re: How to apply crativity and remain unemployed


Its funny to mention dear Collie how to apply creativity without getting a job - or I should add remaining an unemployed/unsought artist like me . But a couple of days ago I saw a dream about a person I knew from a school I've been attended lessons for graphic arts . After he finished in the same year like me and he's been working for the school making the artwork - design for pamphlets , brochures and posters .




And I 've been dreamed him in a side-walk - like several


negros , Ethiopians etc - selling various clothes , shirts ,


jeans , or even perhaps books about pop-rock songs , CDs but I


am not sure about that . And having asked why did he left the previous job by doing that , he didn't feel any regret or any qualms doing whatever , like he didn't care anymore . I saw him a couple of years ago - not in a dream - carrying guitar amplifiers and various equipments from a music store


to a freight car , but I didnt have the courage to ask him.




But the same goes too for various others like a friend of my brother which he's a musician/composer , having worked in the past with various musicians /singers , and being penniless last year he did various labours - something like Santa Claus sharing pamphlets for a store .




So it seems today that being an artist or creative person have become for many people like myself - in my country at least - synonymous with remaining poor , unemployed or unsought person .




... Except if you have something original to suggest by convincing anyone that you are doing something exceptional,


or 'selling' it properly by convincing anyone that you are doing something original .



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Well I can tell you how to apply creativity to NOT getting a job ...




Now I'm not a graphic artist. In fact, Holger and I - both of whom freely admit to not being able to draw a damn thing - once compared our drawing abilities, and, well, Holger won by a mile (a lovely sketch of Ascot or something, search through the old news and you'll find it).




Of course my lack of drawing talent did not prevent me from once attempting to land a job at a department store. Do you know the window displays that are common in these shops? There was an ad in the newspaper that said this shop was in need of -




WINDOW DRESSER FOR UPSCALE DEPARTMENT STORE


REAL TALENT NEED ONLY APPLY


BRING PORTFOLIO




Sure thing! Since I did not have a portfolio, I quickly made one. I made some quick collages, drew a few sketches for window designs and tossed it in a large folder that had for some reason been given to me after my grandmother's funeral. It was a tacky and cheap looking black vinyl, large size portfolio (so that you won't misplace the bills they give you in the midst of your grief) that said on the front (in flaking gold letters)-




WE FEEL YOUR LOSS!


HILLCREST FUNERAL HOME


TEXAS' FAVORITE FUNERAL HOME


REST IN ETERNAL PEACE




Armed with such an impressive package, how could they not be impressed?! I arrived at the interview only to be led into a waiting room filled with nervous recent art school graduates, fidgeting with their portfolios. Trendy dressers all, talking amongst themselves about the schools they graduated from, the exhibit they almost attained and how they really need this job. One woman asked me where I had obtained my degree.




"I have a philosophy degree. The young Marx dreamed that every man would one day be an artist, so here I am!"




I then showed her my portfolio with its funereal decoration. "Didn't cost me a cent, you see?"




She obviously thought I was crazy, but that was nothing compared to what the interviewer thought. He asked about my "curious-looking" portfolio. I gazed it and said, "Yes, I only wish I was as talented as the guy who did the lettering on this!"




I then showed him my sample window display sketches. I explained that my work "captures the speeding moment of the new dynamic of late capitalism." I then produced a sketch which showed a big banner featuring Benneton and Levi's logos (I clipped them from a magazine) with the words "COME SPEND YOUR MONEY AT THIS SHOP AND NOT ANOTHER SHOP ELSEWHERE!". The "winter fashions" display had a similar banner, with the words "WINTER IS HERE. KEEP WARM. BURN FIRES AND BUY EXPENSIVE WINTER CLOTHING!!!" Oh yes, another sketch featured a banner in hot pink which stated, "IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD THESE, JUST KEEP WALKING!"




The interviewer was becoming more and more enraged. Finally he yelled, "Are you nuts or is this a joke???? Tell me, did Diedre in Supply put you up to this??? I bet it was Diedre! I knew it! That Diedre!"




"Well, no," I said, "I don't know who Diedre is. I am a very talented artist and I deserve to have the job. I want to make capitalism glamorous! I can work with any color of clothing you can name. If you give me a few minutes, I can sketch you my conception of a runway fashion show with a autumnal theme ..."




Wouldn't you know it - he threw me out of his office then and there. A few weeks later, I happened to pass by this shop and took notice of the window displays. Very boring. I really WAS much more imaginative than whoever it was they ended up hiring. Who would've thought?




Perhaps Holger and I can introduce the Ascot fashions next season.