the reaction on shy and decent presented earning imaginations cannot win the game I'm afraid. The above described reaction of a "personal director" is nearly everywhere the same - at least to my and especially U-She's professional experiences (and she is a real master designer!) Therefore you should obey to one basic rule: demand 3 times as high and see the interviewer falling off his chair. If he is interested you will meet somewhere around the middle. One director gave me once a good advice: obedient children don't get anything. Time to learn.
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I wonder how much creativity - or not - would you expect
when you are looking for job - lets say as a graphic designer or someone concerned with graphic / multimedia arts - and you find in ads they are asking for an employee
having that knowledge . So you might expect that you
found at last what you were seeking for , not outside
from your personal interests , doing something creative and you can earn some money from that . But what happens when you discover the working place as a shop
with a label about gifts , or under a vault with kitsch
furnitures and chairs, plastic penises - genitals and
cheapa -fainty posters about aphrodisiacs , stimulants [Viagra] pills and so on .
And as you are questioning about the ad they are telling you wait for a while anyone might be responsible . So having realized you are in a porn-
shop [ also a clinic room in between with men and women
wearing white robes ] they are calling you to meet
some people discussing with them about your knowledge or showing them your work in a CD portfolio . But when discussion ending up about your basic salary and your
time shift [full time/part time] - lets say at least 300
euros per month - then you become faced with your
employer[boss], that looks a fatsy , ill-hearted
man in a small room half-lied in a bed and expressing
his own objections , telling you incomprehensible things
that you are not experienced or you cant have such
demands asking for basic salaries and so on , so you
deserve at least half payment . But then when you say
that you are not that unskilled , he answers that if you want more , you must be an experienced professional
and you can pay also . But after that I became angry
with myself that I was too polite with them ,
and telling everyone where to shove that amount of money.
Maybe a good accusation or denunciation could be an
appropriate reaction I think ...
I agree Dear Holger and as far as I can understand you
suggest that you must have an amount of arrogance so
you can have any possibility to succed . But the problem is what happens when you can't find addressing yourself to appropriate people , or you are discovering they are doing illegal things [copying porno CD-DVDs for example ],
and finally there isn't any large market - in my country at least - for artists , graphic/multimedia designers etc , or most positions have been occupied already . So I am reach to a point sometimes doubting about my abilities , or I must try something between everything and not something particularly . Not a painter , a graphic designer , neither video/maker , director , programmer but a bit of everything I suppose . But the problem remains finding [in my place] finding 'right' people , having a
dialogue with them and matching properly . See ?
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the reaction on shy and decent presented earning imaginations cannot win the game I'm afraid. The above described reaction of a "personal director" is nearly everywhere the same - at least to my and especially U-She's professional experiences (and she is a real master designer!) Therefore you should obey to one basic rule: demand 3 times as high and see the interviewer falling off his chair. If he is interested you will meet somewhere around the middle. One director gave me once a good advice: obedient children don't get anything. Time to learn.
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I wonder how much creativity - or not - would you expect
when you are looking for job - lets say as a graphic designer or someone concerned with graphic / multimedia arts - and you find in ads they are asking for an employee
having that knowledge . So you might expect that you
found at last what you were seeking for , not outside
from your personal interests , doing something creative and you can earn some money from that . But what happens when you discover the working place as a shop
with a label about gifts , or under a vault with kitsch
furnitures and chairs, plastic penises - genitals and
cheapa -fainty posters about aphrodisiacs , stimulants [Viagra] pills and so on .
And as you are questioning about the ad they are telling you wait for a while anyone might be responsible . So having realized you are in a porn-
shop [ also a clinic room in between with men and women
wearing white robes ] they are calling you to meet
some people discussing with them about your knowledge or showing them your work in a CD portfolio . But when discussion ending up about your basic salary and your
time shift [full time/part time] - lets say at least 300
euros per month - then you become faced with your
employer[boss], that looks a fatsy , ill-hearted
man in a small room half-lied in a bed and expressing
his own objections , telling you incomprehensible things
that you are not experienced or you cant have such
demands asking for basic salaries and so on , so you
deserve at least half payment . But then when you say
that you are not that unskilled , he answers that if you want more , you must be an experienced professional
and you can pay also . But after that I became angry
with myself that I was too polite with them ,
and telling everyone where to shove that amount of money.
Maybe a good accusation or denunciation could be an
appropriate reaction I think ...
I agree Dear Holger and as far as I can understand you
suggest that you must have an amount of arrogance so
you can have any possibility to succed . But the problem happens when you can't address yourself to appropriate people , or you are discovering they are doing illegal things [copying porno CD-DVDs for example ],
and finally there isn't any large market - in my country at least - for artists , graphic/multimedia designers etc , or most positions have been occupied already . So I am reach to a point sometimes doubting about my abilities , or I must try something between everything and not something particularly . Not a painter , a graphic designer , neither video/maker , director , programmer but a bit of everything I suppose . But the problem remains finding [in my place] finding 'right' people , having a
dialogue with them and matching properly . See ?
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the reaction on shy and decent presented earning imaginations cannot win the game I'm afraid. The above described reaction of a "personal director" is nearly everywhere the same - at least to my and especially U-She's professional experiences (and she is a real master designer!%2