Has this website become the Bible for youth hockey now? I’ve heard about it on the boys side with my older sons teams but now my daughters league NEGHL is using it to create new divisions rather than actual parity?? Her team has been doing great but is now moving up 2 full divisions because of the math formula on this website. I also noticed that there is a team that finished in 9th out of 10 in actual league standings but yet 6, 7, 8 are moving down a division and they are staying because they’re ranking on the website is higher?? This is all u12 stuff but curious if others have seen weird things like this in other divisions.
We are all (coaches and parents) assuming this is just a coincidence but are also concerned our kids are going to be placed in the wrong division because of an algorithm.
I have recently discovered this site and I find it to be confusing. My kid is a 2014 so they aren't ranked yet but some of the other rankings don't make sense when I go back and look at the E9 and EHF sites. Apparently tournament scores that don't appear in the EHF/E9 standings are factored into this also. I don't think coaches are talking to kids about rankings but I do think coaches and parents do refer to these.
Sometimes I feel like there is too much available on the internet that isn't necessarily helpful. We can just log on and see how any team did or look to see what's posted on Instagram now we can see where a 9 yr olds team is ranked in the country and the state. If your kid is high up on the ranks it probably makes you feel good but if not then it might make you question everything. That's how I will probably feel at least.
The boys programs have used this for a number of years for parity across the country and different leagues for Nationals but I don’t ever remember hearing that EHF used it for parity within the league which is what NEGHL is doing. I guess if this is the final word on things families should look to move to Walpole since their town girls team is ranked higher than most of the Club teams and is only a fraction of the price 😊
You can find multiple articles on the origins of MHR and why it was created. It's supposed to be used so like talented teams schedule and play each other. The algorithm actually works. What it has become in many ages is a tool that everyone knows what you have to beat the other team by to keep your ranking. You know some games you need to go hit the magic six number or risk dropping in the rankings. For lower teams they know staying within 2 or 3 of a top ranked team will move them up. A big part of the hoopla is Nationals uses MHR rankings to pick their at large bids for Nattys. I agree, people get crazy over it. Especially the younger ages.
I've actually heard of some coaches cancelling games last minute with lower ranked teams because playing them will lower their ranking or do nothing for them. 9 year olds folks. A coach of 9 year olds did this. So yeah do we really need this ? And no it wasn't my kids team who was canceled on but it could happen to anyone.
But we need the rankings so little Janes mom can quote them while they prepare her weekend Instagram hilights .
While simultaneously praising each new coaches their kid has because they jump from team to team every year while chasing 10-12 year old banners .
These rankings are ruining the sport . All about making mommy and daddy feel good justifying the 3600 they spent .
I agree that the rankings, particularly at the younger ages are ruining the sport. Not to be sappy but I think all kids should feel good about themselves regardless of whether they're on a losing team or not getting goals. A 9/10 yr old (and his parents for that matter) should not be worrying about where their team is placed in the country/state by logging on the internet every morning to see where they are. This isn't the stock market, this isn't professional sports.
I also don't think that just because a team is far down the line on these rankings mean that anyone has failed or sucks at hockey...but that seems to be where we're at. This forum clearly takes myhockeyrankings very seriously. I see teams IG pages putting up a snapshot of this list if they are in the top 10.
Hockey should be a sport for kids of different levels to enjoy but it's become all about who is the best, what league is better, what player is better. I see on here every day people laughing at teams they think suck or saying don't bother playing if it isn't EHF elite. I often wonder who exactly are the people that post on this anonymous forum. Hockey is for anyone who wants to play and shows up to do so.
Funny thing is that plenty of kids who play all mighty EHF elite don't even go on to play college hockey. There are kids playing EHF elite who actually suck. Look at some of the standings.
I guess I question why there is a need for this for kids who are under 12. If people have any clue what they're doing they should know how to find teams that would be good for them to play against.
Besides it sounds like most teams just play teams within their leagues and often aren't allowed to play teams from other leagues? I call BS on the reason this was created was to help teams. It wasn't. Someone wanted to make money and that was all they cared about regardless of what it did to hockey or the self esteem of some kids when it comes to playing.
The creators have given countless interviews about it. They live in Michigan (I think, but somewhere in midwest) and their sons' teams were consistently crushing the teams in their area and at tournaments so they started to scrub hockey league standings to determine how good teams are in their area so they could field more competetive games. That was the original reason it was created as it caught on it has obviously grown to something far larger than that including becoming a money making machine. But I also thought they recently said they would not be ranking teams below 12U however my daughters team is 10U and they are ranked so maybe I misheard that.
Right, MHR would make sense if all teams within MA played against each other but they do not.
There are only a handful of teams that don't play in the NEGHL. If you chose those teams, please stop complaining. Own your choice or stop caring about rankings.
Those rankings are useful when tournaments come around. Aside from that, they are for parents to obsess over. They are also usually pretty accurate.
What teams dont play in the NEGHL?
how do these rankings make sense when E9 teams and EHF teams don't play against each other? I think that is point being made here.
Girl's thread. Know your audience.
apparently it isn't just girls anymore now. the whole MHR does not make sense in MA.
They may not play each other, but there will be common opponents, they all play in tournaments. Once you have one common opponent then the math works out. The issue with MHR comes when you have statical islands, that when a group of teams don't play anyone outside of their group (either because of location: like Alaska or skill: like town). Then those teams have a rating that's not accurate until one of them plays someone that someone else in the rankings has played.
Wake up buddy. Ever heard of an NCAA poll? Same theory. Those teams that you say are undefeated have probably played nothing but scrubs. The team ranked above them , with the losses you mention, probably has one of the highest strength of schedule rankings. Some programs are known to start their teams in a lower division than they should be in to start racking up those wins. Those “town” teams people are mentioning are loaded with NEGHL girls from multiple programs. When those club girls don’t show up, the teams are low level teams.
So if this works how come there are teams in the EHF and E9 that destroy all the other teams in the league when they play them?
You know this is the girls dboard, right? But, to entertain your post, the EHF and E9 are not based on rankings. They are leagues with founding members and auto-bids.
Jesus there is crossover somewhere at every age. No one cares if you are 10 and 0 and have played ****ty competition. You will be ranked far higher if you are 5 and 5 and have played all top teams. It's not that difficult to figure out. It's a ranking system. It's meaningless unless you are a Nationals bound team and end up with an at large bid. Stop getting your undies in a bunch.
Since this is a girls thread I will say this. The one issue I have with MHR is the MN teams. The tier 1 teams (really geographic all star teams)start their season in September and end it the 3rd week of October. They don't play again after that until Nationals. My biggest issue is many of them don't travel to any big tournaments. They host one tournament at 14 and 16 u and you do get some some crossover there but once the 3rd week of October rolls around wherever those MN teams are in the rankings they are staying. Look at the MN tournament and i think there was one East Coast team that went. Other teams will play the rest of the year and you can not move past those teams as they aren't playing anymore.
EHF and E9 do play each others in tournaments. Which is where the ranking are helpful. Like anything else there are flaws and anomalies but as more data is compiled it becomes pretty accuracy. While there are benefits to having the rankings there are also some negative things it creates.
Do Tournament results get entered at some point or is that on someone to report them?
from what i've heard tournaments are counted in. I dont know who enters that info or when.