Has this website become the Bible for youth hockey now? I’ve heard about it on the boys side with my older sons teams but now my daughters league NEGHL is using it to create new divisions rather than actual parity?? Her team has been doing great but is now moving up 2 full divisions because of the math formula on this website. I also noticed that there is a team that finished in 9th out of 10 in actual league standings but yet 6, 7, 8 are moving down a division and they are staying because they’re ranking on the website is higher?? This is all u12 stuff but curious if others have seen weird things like this in other divisions.

We are all (coaches and parents) assuming this is just a coincidence but are also concerned our kids are going to be placed in the wrong division because of an algorithm.

I have recently discovered this site and I find it to be confusing. My kid is a 2014 so they aren't ranked yet but some of the other rankings don't make sense when I go back and look at the E9 and EHF sites. Apparently tournament scores that don't appear in the EHF/E9 standings are factored into this also. I don't think coaches are talking to kids about rankings but I do think coaches and parents do refer to these.

Sometimes I feel like there is too much available on the internet that isn't necessarily helpful. We can just log on and see how any team did or look to see what's posted on Instagram now we can see where a 9 yr olds team is ranked in the country and the state. If your kid is high up on the ranks it probably makes you feel good but if not then it might make you question everything. That's how I will probably feel at least.

The boys programs have used this for a number of years for parity across the country and different leagues for Nationals but I don’t ever remember hearing that EHF used it for parity within the league which is what NEGHL is doing. I guess if this is the final word on things families should look to move to Walpole since their town girls team is ranked higher than most of the Club teams and is only a fraction of the price 😊

You can find multiple articles on the origins of MHR and why it was created. It's supposed to be used so like talented teams schedule and play each other. The algorithm actually works. What it has become in many ages is a tool that everyone knows what you have to beat the other team by to keep your ranking. You know some games you need to go hit the magic six number or risk dropping in the rankings. For lower teams they know staying within 2 or 3 of a top ranked team will move them up. A big part of the hoopla is Nationals uses MHR rankings to pick their at large bids for Nattys. I agree, people get crazy over it. Especially the younger ages.

I've actually heard of some coaches cancelling games last minute with lower ranked teams because playing them will lower their ranking or do nothing for them. 9 year olds folks. A coach of 9 year olds did this. So yeah do we really need this ? And no it wasn't my kids team who was canceled on but it could happen to anyone.

My kids have played in the NEGHL for years and this is the first I've ever heard of this which makes me think it's coincidental. For NEGHL, the entire fall season is "parity." There's no weekend parity tournament like there is for EHF/E9/BHL. After the fall season is done (right around this time), then the league looks at the divisions and starts making adjustments. If a team is completely dominating their division, they get moved up. If a team is getting significantly outplayed, they get moved down. Looking at the fall standings at the u12 age group, take for example the Cape Cod Storm Tier 2 team. 100 goals for, 9 against. This most likely indicates they're outscoring their opponents by ridiculous numbers. That's no fun. That's not competition. They would hopefully want to move up to play against more competitive teams. It's not an exact science and it's far from perfect but I don't think MHR has any bearing on where teams are placed for the winter season.

But we need the rankings so little Janes mom can quote them while they prepare her weekend Instagram hilights .
While simultaneously praising each new coaches their kid has because they jump from team to team every year while chasing 10-12 year old banners .
These rankings are ruining the sport . All about making mommy and daddy feel good justifying the 3600 they spent .

I agree that the rankings, particularly at the younger ages are ruining the sport. Not to be sappy but I think all kids should feel good about themselves regardless of whether they're on a losing team or not getting goals. A 9/10 yr old (and his parents for that matter) should not be worrying about where their team is placed in the country/state by logging on the internet every morning to see where they are. This isn't the stock market, this isn't professional sports.

I also don't think that just because a team is far down the line on these rankings mean that anyone has failed or sucks at hockey...but that seems to be where we're at. This forum clearly takes myhockeyrankings very seriously. I see teams IG pages putting up a snapshot of this list if they are in the top 10.

Hockey should be a sport for kids of different levels to enjoy but it's become all about who is the best, what league is better, what player is better. I see on here every day people laughing at teams they think suck or saying don't bother playing if it isn't EHF elite. I often wonder who exactly are the people that post on this anonymous forum. Hockey is for anyone who wants to play and shows up to do so.

Funny thing is that plenty of kids who play all mighty EHF elite don't even go on to play college hockey. There are kids playing EHF elite who actually suck. Look at some of the standings.

I guess I question why there is a need for this for kids who are under 12. If people have any clue what they're doing they should know how to find teams that would be good for them to play against.

Besides it sounds like most teams just play teams within their leagues and often aren't allowed to play teams from other leagues? I call BS on the reason this was created was to help teams. It wasn't. Someone wanted to make money and that was all they cared about regardless of what it did to hockey or the self esteem of some kids when it comes to playing.

The creators have given countless interviews about it. They live in Michigan (I think, but somewhere in midwest) and their sons' teams were consistently crushing the teams in their area and at tournaments so they started to scrub hockey league standings to determine how good teams are in their area so they could field more competetive games. That was the original reason it was created as it caught on it has obviously grown to something far larger than that including becoming a money making machine. But I also thought they recently said they would not be ranking teams below 12U however my daughters team is 10U and they are ranked so maybe I misheard that.

Maybe it made sense for the guys from Michigan to have this rankings systems but how does it make sense to have in MA when teams from other leagues are 'not allowed' to play each other? Lol. Teams in MA do not play against each other. It's the EHF playing teams in their league and the E9 playing teams in theirs. There's like never any cross over.

Right, MHR would make sense if all teams within MA played against each other but they do not.

There are only a handful of teams that don't play in the NEGHL. If you chose those teams, please stop complaining. Own your choice or stop caring about rankings.

Those rankings are useful when tournaments come around. Aside from that, they are for parents to obsess over. They are also usually pretty accurate.

What teams dont play in the NEGHL?

how do these rankings make sense when E9 teams and EHF teams don't play against each other? I think that is point being made here.

Girl's thread. Know your audience.

apparently it isn't just girls anymore now. the whole MHR does not make sense in MA.

They may not play each other, but there will be common opponents, they all play in tournaments. Once you have one common opponent then the math works out. The issue with MHR comes when you have statical islands, that when a group of teams don't play anyone outside of their group (either because of location: like Alaska or skill: like town). Then those teams have a rating that's not accurate until one of them plays someone that someone else in the rankings has played.

So based on that why are these rankings taken so seriously by some people then ? That sounds ridiculous

My kid is too young to be ranked but sounds like eventually we'll be forced to pay attention to this.

I'm looking at teams that have not lost any games and are somehow ranked lower than teams in the same birth year that have lost games. Just seems fishy.

Wake up buddy. Ever heard of an NCAA poll? Same theory. Those teams that you say are undefeated have probably played nothing but scrubs. The team ranked above them , with the losses you mention, probably has one of the highest strength of schedule rankings. Some programs are known to start their teams in a lower division than they should be in to start racking up those wins. Those “town” teams people are mentioning are loaded with NEGHL girls from multiple programs. When those club girls don’t show up, the teams are low level teams.

MOST of the ranked teams do have common opponents so it works. These days teams travel all over the place for tournaments and even without tournaments; NEGHL teams play teams in CT, those teams play in the CHC and those teams play teams from the mid Atlantic and it continues to fan out from there. Is it perfect? Of course not, BUT tell me this... How do you seed teams for States and Nationals without some system?

So if this works how come there are teams in the EHF and E9 that destroy all the other teams in the league when they play them?

You know this is the girls dboard, right? But, to entertain your post, the EHF and E9 are not based on rankings. They are leagues with founding members and auto-bids.

Jesus there is crossover somewhere at every age. No one cares if you are 10 and 0 and have played ****ty competition. You will be ranked far higher if you are 5 and 5 and have played all top teams. It's not that difficult to figure out. It's a ranking system. It's meaningless unless you are a Nationals bound team and end up with an at large bid. Stop getting your undies in a bunch.

Since this is a girls thread I will say this. The one issue I have with MHR is the MN teams. The tier 1 teams (really geographic all star teams)start their season in September and end it the 3rd week of October. They don't play again after that until Nationals. My biggest issue is many of them don't travel to any big tournaments. They host one tournament at 14 and 16 u and you do get some some crossover there but once the 3rd week of October rolls around wherever those MN teams are in the rankings they are staying. Look at the MN tournament and i think there was one East Coast team that went. Other teams will play the rest of the year and you can not move past those teams as they aren't playing anymore.

As someone already mentioned above the reason for MHR was a simple tool to schedule competitive teams with each other. It has morphed into a different animal. Head to any tier 1 tournament and the parents will be talking about how much you have to beat a team by to keep your ranking as opposed to lets go play a hockey game. Everyone can do the algorithm in their head by looking at the rankings. Should a coach really be in the locker telling a team they have to win by 4 or 5 or they will drop?

What you are describing above is completely different and has been complained about for years. Different areas of the country use different models. You are correct with the girls MN teams. Those Giants and Lakers are just high school all-star teams from the area the girls play in. The tryout in the Fall and start in the Summer and play until October and then move to their High School and get back together for Nationals. There was a time they we not allowed to play at Nationals because of their model. You are correct that they dont travel outside of MN much. We all know the East model of a split season and off to prep and back for States and Nationals or at 16/19 earlier States and hopefully Nationals. Then you have the West and Midwest who are true full season teams starting in September and playing together until March. They will play 70 games and countless tournaments. Many complain that their model isnt fair as they play far more games. Finally you now have the academy model allowed to play States and Nationals (SSM, BK, NAHA) who also play 70+ games and numerous tournaments. At the end of the day they all are trying to get to Nationals and MHR will play a role in that for the at large teams.

EHF and E9 do play each others in tournaments. Which is where the ranking are helpful. Like anything else there are flaws and anomalies but as more data is compiled it becomes pretty accuracy. While there are benefits to having the rankings there are also some negative things it creates.

Do Tournament results get entered at some point or is that on someone to report them?

from what i've heard tournaments are counted in. I dont know who enters that info or when.

General rule is the winning team enters the score or home team if a tie.

Anyone can enter a score. Log in as a guest and fill in the info