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Re: Myhockeyrankings.com

There are only a handful of teams that don't play in the NEGHL. If you chose those teams, please stop complaining. Own your choice or stop caring about rankings.

Those rankings are useful when tournaments come around. Aside from that, they are for parents to obsess over. They are also usually pretty accurate.

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What teams dont play in the NEGHL?

how do these rankings make sense when E9 teams and EHF teams don't play against each other? I think that is point being made here.

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Girl's thread. Know your audience.

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apparently it isn't just girls anymore now. the whole MHR does not make sense in MA.

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They may not play each other, but there will be common opponents, they all play in tournaments. Once you have one common opponent then the math works out. The issue with MHR comes when you have statical islands, that when a group of teams don't play anyone outside of their group (either because of location: like Alaska or skill: like town). Then those teams have a rating that's not accurate until one of them plays someone that someone else in the rankings has played.

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anon
They may not play each other, but there will be common opponents, they all play in tournaments. Once you have one common opponent then the math works out. The issue with MHR comes when you have statical islands, that when a group of teams don't play anyone outside of their group (either because of location: like Alaska or skill: like town). Then those teams have a rating that's not accurate until one of them plays someone that someone else in the rankings has played.
So based on that why are these rankings taken so seriously by some people then ? That sounds ridiculous

My kid is too young to be ranked but sounds like eventually we'll be forced to pay attention to this.

I'm looking at teams that have not lost any games and are somehow ranked lower than teams in the same birth year that have lost games. Just seems fishy.

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Wake up buddy. Ever heard of an NCAA poll? Same theory. Those teams that you say are undefeated have probably played nothing but scrubs. The team ranked above them , with the losses you mention, probably has one of the highest strength of schedule rankings. Some programs are known to start their teams in a lower division than they should be in to start racking up those wins. Those “town” teams people are mentioning are loaded with NEGHL girls from multiple programs. When those club girls don’t show up, the teams are low level teams.

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anon
They may not play each other, but there will be common opponents, they all play in tournaments. Once you have one common opponent then the math works out. The issue with MHR comes when you have statical islands, that when a group of teams don\'t play anyone outside of their group (either because of location: like Alaska or skill: like town). Then those teams have a rating that\'s not accurate until one of them plays someone that someone else in the rankings has played.
So based on that why are these rankings taken so seriously by some people then ? That sounds ridiculous

My kid is too young to be ranked but sounds like eventually we'll be forced to pay attention to this.

I'm looking at teams that have not lost any games and are somehow ranked lower than teams in the same birth year that have lost games. Just seems fishy.
MOST of the ranked teams do have common opponents so it works. These days teams travel all over the place for tournaments and even without tournaments; NEGHL teams play teams in CT, those teams play in the CHC and those teams play teams from the mid Atlantic and it continues to fan out from there. Is it perfect? Of course not, BUT tell me this... How do you seed teams for States and Nationals without some system?

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So if this works how come there are teams in the EHF and E9 that destroy all the other teams in the league when they play them?

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You know this is the girls dboard, right? But, to entertain your post, the EHF and E9 are not based on rankings. They are leagues with founding members and auto-bids.

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Jesus there is crossover somewhere at every age. No one cares if you are 10 and 0 and have played ****ty competition. You will be ranked far higher if you are 5 and 5 and have played all top teams. It's not that difficult to figure out. It's a ranking system. It's meaningless unless you are a Nationals bound team and end up with an at large bid. Stop getting your undies in a bunch.

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Since this is a girls thread I will say this. The one issue I have with MHR is the MN teams. The tier 1 teams (really geographic all star teams)start their season in September and end it the 3rd week of October. They don't play again after that until Nationals. My biggest issue is many of them don't travel to any big tournaments. They host one tournament at 14 and 16 u and you do get some some crossover there but once the 3rd week of October rolls around wherever those MN teams are in the rankings they are staying. Look at the MN tournament and i think there was one East Coast team that went. Other teams will play the rest of the year and you can not move past those teams as they aren't playing anymore.

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anon
Since this is a girls thread I will say this. The one issue I have with MHR is the MN teams. The tier 1 teams (really geographic all star teams)start their season in September and end it the 3rd week of October. They don't play again after that until Nationals. My biggest issue is many of them don't travel to any big tournaments. They host one tournament at 14 and 16 u and you do get some some crossover there but once the 3rd week of October rolls around wherever those MN teams are in the rankings they are staying. Look at the MN tournament and i think there was one East Coast team that went. Other teams will play the rest of the year and you can not move past those teams as they aren't playing anymore.
As someone already mentioned above the reason for MHR was a simple tool to schedule competitive teams with each other. It has morphed into a different animal. Head to any tier 1 tournament and the parents will be talking about how much you have to beat a team by to keep your ranking as opposed to lets go play a hockey game. Everyone can do the algorithm in their head by looking at the rankings. Should a coach really be in the locker telling a team they have to win by 4 or 5 or they will drop?

What you are describing above is completely different and has been complained about for years. Different areas of the country use different models. You are correct with the girls MN teams. Those Giants and Lakers are just high school all-star teams from the area the girls play in. The tryout in the Fall and start in the Summer and play until October and then move to their High School and get back together for Nationals. There was a time they we not allowed to play at Nationals because of their model. You are correct that they dont travel outside of MN much. We all know the East model of a split season and off to prep and back for States and Nationals or at 16/19 earlier States and hopefully Nationals. Then you have the West and Midwest who are true full season teams starting in September and playing together until March. They will play 70 games and countless tournaments. Many complain that their model isnt fair as they play far more games. Finally you now have the academy model allowed to play States and Nationals (SSM, BK, NAHA) who also play 70+ games and numerous tournaments. At the end of the day they all are trying to get to Nationals and MHR will play a role in that for the at large teams.

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EHF and E9 do play each others in tournaments. Which is where the ranking are helpful. Like anything else there are flaws and anomalies but as more data is compiled it becomes pretty accuracy. While there are benefits to having the rankings there are also some negative things it creates.

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Do Tournament results get entered at some point or is that on someone to report them?

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from what i've heard tournaments are counted in. I dont know who enters that info or when.

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anon
from what i've heard tournaments are counted in. I dont know who enters that info or when.
General rule is the winning team enters the score or home team if a tie.

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anon
Do Tournament results get entered at some point or is that on someone to report them?
Anyone can enter a score. Log in as a guest and fill in the info