I can see arguments from both sides for sure! I know there are a lot of schools that have chosen to go Division 1 to be eligible for the Super 8. No matter that is a a long reach for them to make it. It does seem like it is getting harder and harder for them to compete.
I think the member schools should vote on it.
I like the idea of the Super 8 winner playing a public all star team.
After the Super 8 have the Public All Stars play the Catholic All Stars. It might be a lot closer than you think. Best 24 from 150 Public high schools verse the best 24 from 20 ( or so ) Catholic high schools. I believe the Catholics would have the upper hand for sure but the I could see a competitive game. I think this might even the playing field
I have not seen a lot of High School games this year but enough to know that if you took the top 2-3 players from each team in the Middlesex, MVC, Bay State, etc and took the top two to three players from the top 10 Catholics they would be pretty competitive. The difference would be the Outliers in the Catholic League not to mention the Jake Wise's that come along now and again. Goalies would not be that different. Slight advantage to Catholics.
Five years ago, I think the Catholics hand it to them. MC had 3-5 D1 players every year. SJP had 3 kids drafted and a few others go D1. Now, kids go straight to Preps or AAA Midgets. Things are watered down but still quality hockey.
I think the idea was to assemble the team of all-stars to play against the Super 8 (Private School State Champions) winner. Public all-stars would smoke them. The number of commits means very little, some of the C.C. coaches just get it and work it harder - it helps them recruit and retain players. Coaches top public school coaches have no commits to point to because they don't get it yet. If they landed commits for their players they fear they would leave (but they might stay longer than those that have to leave to get looks) when in fact they leave because the coaches don't do any leg work for them. I recall one delusional coach last year telling the junior teams to 'get the hell away from his players' when they only wanted to speak to the seniors. Great job coach.
Yes, that was the other posters idea. My idea is a little bit different. Although I could see their idea working well too.
Publics would not smoke them! Not at all!! How? You take the top 2-3 at Reading, at Hingham, at Marshfield, at Franklin, Burlington, etc. What do you get? Essentially you get top 1-2 lines and D pairings at Catholic. Practically Identical! What you don't get are the high end kids at Catholic and the Super Elite ( which is once every 3-5 years anyway). Goalies are a slight nod to Catholics, maybe!! Considering you will only carry 2 or 3. Whoever is hot in that particular game might be a difference maker.
Close game but Catholics should edge them out 8 out of 10 times, partly because of being accustomed to playing against stiffer competition.
With my scenario, you couldn't possibly see publics smoking them could you?
I am still not seeing your point!
I am saying the top catholic players and top public kids would make lines 1-4 and D pairings 1-4 a wash! Goalies would be close to the same although I would give a slight edge to Catholics. The outlier would be those Catholic kids who have committed to Division 1. Especially four or five years ago when teams like SJP , AP Malden Catholic and more recently Springfield Cathedral had multiple D1 and in some cases NHL draft picks. Never mind the Jake Wise's that you may see every 20 years in Mass Hockey. That would be the difference maker 7 or 8 out of 10.
Division 1 commits have nothing to do with winter hockey and everything to do with the rest of the year. Kid from Reading is not committed to Northeastern because their coaching staff was impressed with his play against Chelmsford!! It has more to do with how he did with and against the others at USA Festival or high level Showcase camps!
You don't agree?
Have you seen him play? Kid is good!! Read above
Wise is very good and yes I've seen him play. He might not be Jack Eichel but then again that's a once in a generation for Mass hockey - a potential #1 NHL draft pick.
You have to admit though there are a few college commits you see either in high school or tournaments where you scratch your head a bit - without naming names. It's not an exact science especially when they are breaking down the door of 13year olds now.
It wasn't that I missed their point, it's just that I was suggesting it as an alternative.
Public school and Catholic School coaches have very little to do with promoting the kids. It plays a minimal role in recruiting. College coaches go to showcase tournaments and Id players. If the player happens to play for MC or SJP and they happen to have a few other kids that are high caliber and are playing another Catholic team that have a few prospects than they may go see the game. Numbers game!! One game six prospects right in their back yard. Just like a showcase tournament. Get to see 40-50 legit players from all over north america in a 2-3 day period. Just not worth their time to go see Winchester vs Woburn to see 1-2 borderline d3 players.
Of course the coaches input helps. Most Catholic League coaches have played or coached in college. Vast majority of Prep School coaches have played college and or pro hockey and all are part of the hockey network. Typically the public school coach not so much outside of a few or a "Legend" coach who has been there for 30 years.
ALL STARS LOST TO BG 2-0 get a reallity check Mass hockey has jumped the shark years ago. You have 60-70 kids at Catholic tryouts and they still cant beat public schools. ITS ALL POLITICS NOW!!!
i beg to differ How many kids are now doing school choice ? Didn't Burlington back a few yrs ago have multi players who did not live in Burlington?
And for those who think Wise is coming back next year to play high school hockey in Mass I have news for you. BU has already packed his bags and he will be playing in the Midwest next fall.
In the last eight years, Reading and Hingham have each won a Super 8 and D1 championship, that's four titles in both brackets, so shut up about it. Most private schools can't even lay claim to that. The publics rarely win the super 8, but they've won it and that's why the top teams are still there. Until more than a handful of the same private schools start winning the Super 8, the argument for dividing public and private schools makes no sense.
The reason to divide it is, the playing field is not level and a public will NEVER win the Super 8 again. If you think it's possible, you are mis-informed on how / why the gap is getting wider.
I disagree. The gap is not widening. In fact it may be getting closer as Prep and Junior Hockey decimate the Catholic Schools once plentiful recruiting pool. It will take a town with a large youth program and a few kids who they normall would have lost to the CC's and Prep to stay home and play with their friends and I could easily see them winning the Super 8.
Good point! It seems like all levels are getting diluted including Preps
I disagree with the idea the gap is getting closer (for proof look at the last 3-4 years). And talk about a decimated recruiting pool the publics have a decimated and limited talent pool that is getting decimated by not only Preps and Juniors but also the Catholics. And the idea that a few will stay at the local H.S. it would take a top-end academic high school to keep them (with many catholics enticing kids with free tuition) and a coach that can help them get placed at the next level - which none of them are very good at doing.
The remote chance is a public that has an unbelievable Freshman & Sophomore class and they make a run before they pack-up and leave. And the way youth hockey is today these kids all play on various local teams before and during high school and many of their 'friends' are players from various communities all heading to various private schools. No team is going to pull kids from it's Town Bantam & Midget program and compete in D-1 H.S. hockey...not even close to possible.
The chance of a public even making it to the final four is remote and fading every day.
Catholics aren't nearly as strong as they were just a few years ago. They are losing kids to prep way earlier than previously as well as to the u16 & u18 teams. Even though the Catholics are stronger and deeper than the high end Div 1 Public teams, the publics still have a shot. Will be really difficult for them to win 2 of 3 if they get past a play in game. Advantage Catholics for sure, but not as much as previous years. Preps are actually feeling it a little too.
Preps are pricing themselves out of the hockey equation. If hockey is the goal, it's not worth $30k a year. And you go to the summer tournaments and camps you see the players are no better, there are just more of them.