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Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

Went many years not making the final selection out of festival to National Camp. When selection shifted from District to USAH scouting had no problem making the cut.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

Fixed? Maybe! Biased? Absolutely!! Trust me they are aware and are going to make changes.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

It's the same in NH, goalies/players are picked by how much butt kissing and sucking up mom and dad does. There are many age groups were the best kids are not picked for the team. Two nights of tryouts will not tell you who the best players are.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

The Truth
It's the same in NH, goalies/players are picked by how much butt kissing and sucking up mom and dad does. There are many age groups were the best kids are not picked for the team. Two nights of tryouts will not tell you who the best players are.


Yes it does, sorry your kid wasn't picked, again.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

Sorry, no dog in this fight, just know from seeing it from various years. But I do see you need some Chap Stick.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

The Truth
It's the same in NH, goalies/players are picked by how much butt kissing and sucking up mom and dad does. There are many age groups were the best kids are not picked for the team. Two nights of tryouts will not tell you who the best players are.


This is true. My son skated in this and made the initial cut a few years back. My kid didn't get to the 4-team cutdown (nor should he have), but one of his goalies was a "name" goalie and one was not. Guess which goalie put up the better stats and played all-around better during the scrimmages, then didn't make the cut?
When those who are "evaluating" are from the same program that a lot of these "name" players go to for training (ie. spend money), the outcome is somewhat predictable.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

Why doenst Mass Hockey fix this if its a clear issue? Seems like a massive conflict of interest to have a for profit goalie coach selecting clients over kids that deserve to go. How about a panel of goalie coaches make the picks? Seems like a no brainer.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

anon
Why doenst Mass Hockey fix this if its a clear issue? Seems like a massive conflict of interest to have a for profit goalie coach selecting clients over kids that deserve to go. How about a panel of goalie coaches make the picks? Seems like a no brainer.


Because all of those coaches are hired by Mass Hockey to coach the camps as well. It's all about who you know, not how good you are. No different than anything else involved with making teams in hockey.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

Anon
anon
Why doenst Mass Hockey fix this if its a clear issue? Seems like a massive conflict of interest to have a for profit goalie coach selecting clients over kids that deserve to go. How about a panel of goalie coaches make the picks? Seems like a no brainer.


Because all of those coaches are hired by Mass Hockey to coach the camps as well. It's all about who you know, not how good you are. No different than anything else involved with making teams in hockey.


Yes, and there are so many kids out there that should have DI deals but they were screwed over during Festival. Stop your whining, if your kid is good enough, they will find him.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

Anon
Anon
anon
Why doenst Mass Hockey fix this if its a clear issue? Seems like a massive conflict of interest to have a for profit goalie coach selecting clients over kids that deserve to go. How about a panel of goalie coaches make the picks? Seems like a no brainer.


Because all of those coaches are hired by Mass Hockey to coach the camps as well. It's all about who you know, not how good you are. No different than anything else involved with making teams in hockey.


Yes, and there are so many kids out there that should have DI deals but they were screwed over during Festival. Stop your whining, if your kid is good enough, they will find him.


Not whining. Just stating facts. Don't care if my son gets picked or not for it. And I know that if he is good, real coaches looking to put a real team together will find him. It's the daddy coaches that are the problem with teams. But as for the festival and camps, it's all about making money for Mass Hockey and the guys that are there coaching it. Has nothing to do with building players for the national teams.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

The Elite, Elite will make it, the next tier need either a name or a connection and then a crap shoot.

Goalies are different story. Big time bias! " Johnny usually makes that save" or " See how That Kid's glove drops".

I have also been told that some of the goalie coaches will push for their guys and also some lesser talented goalies so that their guys stands out and more likely to get national invite. Not sure if legit or sour grapes!

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

Let's face it, if the kid doesn't have the blood line, he isn't an early grower, stays small, doesn't have deep pockets behind him or has a late in the year birthday the odds are very very slim for a kid.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

The odds are slim for ALL players and I think most people just don't seem to grasp that reality. According to College Hockey Inc, there are something like 110-120 MA kids playing NCAA D1 hockey annually based on recent data. That is about 30 MA players per birth year who will play D1 and certainly not all on scholarship. So let's say there are 40 or so teams for every birth year in MA who are considered AAA/elite across the various leagues. Even at 15 players/team that is 600 kids so 1 in 20 of these AAA/elite kids will play D1. No matter how you slice the pie in terms of considering which teams are AAA/elite, the odds are super slim.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

anon
The odds are slim for ALL players and I think most people just don't seem to grasp that reality. According to College Hockey Inc, there are something like 110-120 MA kids playing NCAA D1 hockey annually based on recent data. That is about 30 MA players per birth year who will play D1 and certainly not all on scholarship. So let's say there are 40 or so teams for every birth year in MA who are considered AAA/elite across the various leagues. Even at 15 players/team that is 600 kids so 1 in 20 of these AAA/elite kids will play D1. No matter how you slice the pie in terms of considering which teams are AAA/elite, the odds are super slim.


Even your scenario if flawed, you are assuming that the pool of kids who are going to play DI comes from the youth leagues at the AAA/Elite level? Sorry, you people need to get over yourselves and your checkbooks, I know plenty of kids over the years that didn't play EHF elite or tier 1 because they were late bloomers and developed in high school/prep school, happens all the time, just watch, coach's don't care where you played or how good you were when you were a squirt

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

Scenario is not flawed with respect to how many kids from MA play D1 - about 25-30 per birth year. That's the cold truth that most can't seem to rationalize. I am not part of youth hockey (guess you inferred that) and I do agree there will be some kids not currently in AAA/Elite hockey that will earn a D1 spot. You are right, coaches ultimately don't care and I root for the kids whose parents didn't spend $5-10k a year on travel hockey, private lessons, etc. Whatever the number of teams/kids that are considered in the D1 pool if we consider non elite/AA kids (which to your point is beyond the 40/600 reference) only reinforces how slim the odds are that little Johnny makes it to even the D1 level.

My point is the "$5-10k crowd" of parents are somewhat delusional. Traveling all over the country to play the "best of the best", ******** about festival selection picks, switching their kid from team to team every year for the best opportunity is rather pointless in my opinion. Most of this crowd seem to think it is a given their kid will play D1 and the only question is whether they have an NHL career. Highlighting how many kids actually play D1 hopefully brings some of this crowd back down to earth with expectations they have - and place on their son.

Let the kids play multiple sports and develop as overall athletes will serve most better in the long run. It is all about development and many parents lose sight of that and somehow think sport-specific ice hockey training 12 months a year will give their kid a leg up - in most cases it won't.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

anon
Scenario is not flawed with respect to how many kids from MA play D1 - about 25-30 per birth year. That's the cold truth that most can't seem to rationalize. I am not part of youth hockey (guess you inferred that) and I do agree there will be some kids not currently in AAA/Elite hockey that will earn a D1 spot. You are right, coaches ultimately don't care and I root for the kids whose parents didn't spend $5-10k a year on travel hockey, private lessons, etc. Whatever the number of teams/kids that are considered in the D1 pool if we consider non elite/AA kids (which to your point is beyond the 40/600 reference) only reinforces how slim the odds are that little Johnny makes it to even the D1 level.

My point is the "$5-10k crowd" of parents are somewhat delusional. Traveling all over the country to play the "best of the best", ******** about festival selection picks, switching their kid from team to team every year for the best opportunity is rather pointless in my opinion. Most of this crowd seem to think it is a given their kid will play D1 and the only question is whether they have an NHL career. Highlighting how many kids actually play D1 hopefully brings some of this crowd back down to earth with expectations they have - and place on their son.

Let the kids play multiple sports and develop as overall athletes will serve most better in the long run. It is all about development and many parents lose sight of that and somehow think sport-specific ice hockey training 12 months a year will give their kid a leg up - in most cases it won't.


I was the previous poster, agreed

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

anon
Scenario is not flawed with respect to how many kids from MA play D1 - about 25-30 per birth year. That's the cold truth that most can't seem to rationalize. I am not part of youth hockey (guess you inferred that) and I do agree there will be some kids not currently in AAA/Elite hockey that will earn a D1 spot. You are right, coaches ultimately don't care and I root for the kids whose parents didn't spend $5-10k a year on travel hockey, private lessons, etc. Whatever the number of teams/kids that are considered in the D1 pool if we consider non elite/AA kids (which to your point is beyond the 40/600 reference) only reinforces how slim the odds are that little Johnny makes it to even the D1 level.

My point is the "$5-10k crowd" of parents are somewhat delusional. Traveling all over the country to play the "best of the best", ******** about festival selection picks, switching their kid from team to team every year for the best opportunity is rather pointless in my opinion. Most of this crowd seem to think it is a given their kid will play D1 and the only question is whether they have an NHL career. Highlighting how many kids actually play D1 hopefully brings some of this crowd back down to earth with expectations they have - and place on their son.

Let the kids play multiple sports and develop as overall athletes will serve most better in the long run. It is all about development and many parents lose sight of that and somehow think sport-specific ice hockey training 12 months a year will give their kid a leg up - in most cases it won't.


Different poster here. I understand your point ("elite" at youth ages does not translate to D-I scholarship) and I'm with you on this post, but even throwing out 1 in 20 is misleading if you consider all of the other kids playing club. Throw in the kids playing in Town programs as well and you're looking at more like 1 in 50 or more. The delusional don't only reside on "elite" teams.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

Agreed, delusional parents are certainly not limited to the Elite teams! Whatever the number for the pool of players/teams you choose, about 30 freshmen from MA will be on NCAA D 1 rosters each year. I just looked at the College Hockey 2015-2016 media guide and it stated 115 D1 players from MA, which supports the 30/year number.

FYI, MA Hockey registrations for youth are about 4,000 per birth year according to USA Hockey so taking the "universe" of registered MA players yields 1 player for every 133 players or 0.75%. So depending on the pool you consider the odds are anywhere from 1 in 20 (my original number) to 1 in 133 (the player pool universe) and maybe your 1 in 50 is a decent metric for kids/parents with D1 aspirations.

Re: So how fixed are Festival picks?

Interesting. I almost posted 1 in 100, but thought better. Maybe I should have. Thanks.