What are people's thoughts about ISL boys hockey? Seems weaker than in the past. Son is going to be a freshman next year, obviously the education is second to none but hockey overall weaker. Where are all the good players playing these days?
Because your kid was unable to get in.
People are starting to figure-out the whole 'prep hockey' thing is a sham. The hockey isn't THAT great and the coaches aren't always working that hard for the kids to move-on, the 'great education' might get your kid maybe, just maybe up a slight notch up in schools with the Prep schools help in admissions but at $25-$40K a year it is hard to justify as a wise economic decision.
A case could easily be made to have the kid (if he's that good of a player) to move out to the USHL and play for free; stay local and either play at the new NAHL team in Attleboro (free); stay local and play in the Tier I league for BA or play in the USPHL for $7-10K. The fat difference in expenditures can buy a lot of tutors and admissions help for getting the kid into his dream school. Odds are you will need some of that Prep tuition $ to pay for college anyway.
Hang around the summer tournaments and you will see there is no magic to the kids that play Prep hockey, they just have a bit more depth than the next level down.
If your goal is to have your son play college hockey then going the prep route is the 100% best route to take. Prep is a balance of education and athletics and thats exactly what colleges are looking for. Good students and good athletes. The Tier 1 setup in the northeast is ridiculous. Kids will miss a ton of school, its very expensive and there is a ton of travel all for what? Despite a ton of players that have played at BA not a high percentage play college hockey.
All great posts! Much truth in what everybody is saying. Although not perfect, Canada has a great system . They have improved on the educational component but probably could do better.
I like the idea of players playing outside their schools and having the schools and programs work cohesively. Then again, after watching some Super 8 games, can see why kids play at the Catholics!
The problem is that everything is motivated by profit and their own agendas
Yeah it's a 'pretty high level' but it's not all that great. The deal with going the USHL route is not to worry about your high school education because at that point it's all about hockey and what college you will be attending. I doubt Hockey East schools worry about what high school you got your diploma from same for top academic D-III colleges that want you.
In my eyes the college coaches would rather have a 20 year old man as a freshman player than an 18 year old so you need to put in your time in Juniors either way so you might as well start now to get to know the programs and coaches. Furthermore I'm hearing the college scouts and coaches complain about having to watch some 19 year old PG kid playing against 15 and 16 year old kids in Prep hockey.
"How many of those kid's parents come to the D board?"
Most I would think have been here.
Never gave a single thought to throwing $ down a rat hole. The kids have done alright though. They're doing everything academically and athletically they've ever wanted.
Here's the deal. My kid goes to a good public school. Every year they send a handful of kids to top 10 universities and the bulk of the student body gets accepted to what their parents think are great schools - you know NESCAC, BC, Providence, BU...and a bunch of non-Ivy eastern schools.
So a few years ago a few kids on the high school hockey team (D-I) did well as juniors and they packed-up and went to a local 'Prep School' as day students. Coach had them stay back a year so they were in it for two years of prep about $70-80,000. They do alright in hockey, they do alright in school and they graduate. Now one is playing on a good D-III team which is a good school and the other is also playing on a marginal D-III team and the school isn't anything to write home about academically.
So you tell me, what difference would it had been if they stayed at their high school and then played a year of junior hockey?
And outside of a couple local schools (Harvard & MIT) it's a better school anyway. Congrats!
Guys kind of right though, outside of a few Ivy's Michigan just might be a better / more respected school...just don't mention that to the locals
? I think the point was the kid made a decision to get an education rather than play some backwater D-3 hockey and you call that "real hockey"????
Guy posted Assumption played against BU's club team, is this common? Is BU's club team any good as far as club teams go?
6-2, at least they scored a couple!
And if my kid told me he would rather play d-III hockey and go to Framingham State, UMass Dartmouth, Salem State, USNH ....rather than one of the better schools in the country and play club, I'd get his head examined.
I'm curious, for those bashing the higher level ISL schools as a waste of money, have you done any research? If you haven't, try Google and you will find that through a combination of factors, the elite private schools are well worth the financial commitment if a family can afford it, and Nobles is certainly classified as an elite school. On average, the top 20 prep schools in the US send 30% of their graduates to Ivies, MIT, or Stanford, how does that compare you your local HS. If your sole focus for your son is hockey, there are certainly other, cheaper & better routes available but if it's about where he is going to be professionally at 35, Nobles, Phillips, Groton, etc will provide your child a head start that could last a lifetime.
I think you're looking for the College Education DBoard.
"If your sole focus for your son is hockey, there are certainly other, cheaper & better routes" was the whole point of the discussion I thought.
Like the O.K. student (Brockton) with O.K. test scores ("near 2200") who got into 7 out of the 8 Ivies he applied to because he is a child of Nigerian immigrants.
Somewhere Elizabeth Warren is smiling and somewhere some white suburban 4.0, 2400 kid is wondering what went wrong.
Make Nigeria Great Again!