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Re: High School 17-minute periods

Yeah and then when a private school gets bounced from their tournament they then get to compete in the public school tournament. Nice !

I think it would be fantastic if a school like Reading, Winchester, Hingham or another top public would set-up a 'student exchange program' with a school in Quebec (and Finland if they need a goalie) and show the privates the power of recruiting. 3-4 forwards, a big Western Canadian defensemen and a Finnish goalie... That would wake-up the MIAA.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

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Yeah and then when a private school gets bounced from their tournament they then get to compete in the public school tournament. Nice !

I think it would be fantastic if a school like Reading, Winchester, Hingham or another top public would set-up a 'student exchange program' with a school in Quebec (and Finland if they need a goalie) and show the privates the power of recruiting. 3-4 forwards, a big Western Canadian defensemen and a Finnish goalie... That would wake-up the MIAA.


Yeah, that would be great. Make it really hard for the town hockey players to live their dream of making varsity and give their parents something else to whine about.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

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Yeah and then when a private school gets bounced from their tournament they then get to compete in the public school tournament. Nice !

I think it would be fantastic if a school like Reading, Winchester, Hingham or another top public would set-up a 'student exchange program' with a school in Quebec (and Finland if they need a goalie) and show the privates the power of recruiting. 3-4 forwards, a big Western Canadian defensemen and a Finnish goalie... That would wake-up the MIAA.


Yeah, that would be great. Make it really hard for the town hockey players to live their dream of making varsity and give their parents something else to whine about.


How many town players do you think Hingham has?

Re: High School 17-minute periods

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Yeah and then when a private school gets bounced from their tournament they then get to compete in the public school tournament. Nice !

I think it would be fantastic if a school like Reading, Winchester, Hingham or another top public would set-up a 'student exchange program' with a school in Quebec (and Finland if they need a goalie) and show the privates the power of recruiting. 3-4 forwards, a big Western Canadian defensemen and a Finnish goalie... That would wake-up the MIAA.


Yeah, that would be great. Make it really hard for the town hockey players to live their dream of making varsity and give their parents something else to whine about.


How many town players do you think Hingham has?


7?

Re: High School 17-minute periods

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Yeah and then when a private school gets bounced from their tournament they then get to compete in the public school tournament. Nice !

I think it would be fantastic if a school like Reading, Winchester, Hingham or another top public would set-up a 'student exchange program' with a school in Quebec (and Finland if they need a goalie) and show the privates the power of recruiting. 3-4 forwards, a big Western Canadian defensemen and a Finnish goalie... That would wake-up the MIAA.


Yeah, that would be great. Make it really hard for the town hockey players to live their dream of making varsity and give their parents something else to whine about.


How many town players do you think Hingham has?


7?


How about 23?

Re: High School 17-minute periods

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Yeah and then when a private school gets bounced from their tournament they then get to compete in the public school tournament. Nice !

I think it would be fantastic if a school like Reading, Winchester, Hingham or another top public would set-up a 'student exchange program' with a school in Quebec (and Finland if they need a goalie) and show the privates the power of recruiting. 3-4 forwards, a big Western Canadian defensemen and a Finnish goalie... That would wake-up the MIAA.


Yeah, that would be great. Make it really hard for the town hockey players to live their dream of making varsity and give their parents something else to whine about.


How many town players do you think Hingham has?


7?


How about 23?


That was my guess.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

from what i've heard doesn't Hingham have a fair amount of players who come through the BA system?

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Hingham hockey supporters are divided between those that want to compete at a Super 8 level and those that just want to win, regardless of the level. The latter group would rather beat up on weak competition (much like its lacrosse team does) and win the D1 "Championship" and have parades than play really competitive hockey. I wouldn't be surprised if members of that group were behind the constant push on the D Board for separate private and public championships. If you can't beat the best, don't try.

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Hingham hockey supporters are divided between those that want to compete at a Super 8 level and those that just want to win, regardless of the level. The latter group would rather beat up on weak competition (much like its lacrosse team does) and win the D1 "Championship" and have parades than play really competitive hockey. I wouldn't be surprised if members of that group were behind the constant push on the D Board for separate private and public championships. If you can't beat the best, don't try.


I think the numerous realist here can see the Hoosiers like dream of a public ever standing a chance against the private schools is over. The gap has widened because the Catholic schools are competing against themselves and are continuously elevating their compete level through increased recruiting, spending more and having better coaching staffs. It's cute to say "if you can't beat the best, don't try" but the reality is you have no chance. Did you watch the D-1 state title game and then watch the Super 8 title game this past year? It was like watching Fitchburg State vs. USNH and then watching BC vs. Providence. If you couldn't see the difference you should refrain from posting on the topic.

I will say this, if a public can figure-out a way to get numerous kids to the next level (Jr.s & college) they will have a better chance of keeping kids (as freshmen and once they get offers to leave) and maybe, just maybe they will catch the once in a generation chance of competing in the Super 8 which it has now become.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

anon
anon
Hingham hockey supporters are divided between those that want to compete at a Super 8 level and those that just want to win, regardless of the level. The latter group would rather beat up on weak competition (much like its lacrosse team does) and win the D1 "Championship" and have parades than play really competitive hockey. I wouldn't be surprised if members of that group were behind the constant push on the D Board for separate private and public championships. If you can't beat the best, don't try.


I think the numerous realist here can see the Hoosiers like dream of a public ever standing a chance against the private schools is over. The gap has widened because the Catholic schools are competing against themselves and are continuously elevating their compete level through increased recruiting, spending more and having better coaching staffs. It's cute to say "if you can't beat the best, don't try" but the reality is you have no chance. Did you watch the D-1 state title game and then watch the Super 8 title game this past year? It was like watching Fitchburg State vs. USNH and then watching BC vs. Providence. If you couldn't see the difference you should refrain from posting on the topic.

I will say this, if a public can figure-out a way to get numerous kids to the next level (Jr.s & college) they will have a better chance of keeping kids (as freshmen and once they get offers to leave) and maybe, just maybe they will catch the once in a generation chance of competing in the Super 8 which it has now become.


Agreed. Realistically, you can't expect the Publics to compete with the Privates in hockey. Its not close to an even playing field as Catholics 100% recruit kids, have larger student populations and pull from a huge area while publics get what you get. There should be a Public Super 8 and Private Super 8 held separately.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

So how is it the DBoard'ers see it and the MIAA can't? And spare the few DBoard'ers that believe it is still 2005 and the publics have a snowball's chance.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

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So how is it the DBoard'ers see it and the MIAA can't? And spare the few DBoard'ers that believe it is still 2005 and the publics have a snowball's chance.


MIAA is inept.

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Expanding the Catholic School High School Championship field to 16 teams is ridiculous when there might not be 16 Catholic schools in the entire state with hockey teams.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

anon
So how is it the DBoard'ers see it and the MIAA can't? And spare the few DBoard'ers that believe it is still 2005 and the publics have a snowball's chance.


Because MIAA is an absolutely corrupt and incompetent organization. They make the NCAA look well-run. The very fact that they don't see that there is no way that public high school teams are in any way comparable to private and Catholic schools just shows their stupidity. How can you put up teams which are recruited from all over the country and overseas against teams made of whoever happens to go to that school. So there should absolutely be two separate Super 8s or just get rid of it all together.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

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So how is it the DBoard'ers see it and the MIAA can't? And spare the few DBoard'ers that believe it is still 2005 and the publics have a snowball's chance.


Because MIAA is an absolutely corrupt and incompetent organization. They make the NCAA look well-run. The very fact that they don't see that there is no way that public high school teams are in any way comparable to private and Catholic schools just shows their stupidity. How can you put up teams which are recruited from all over the country and overseas against teams made of whoever happens to go to that school. So there should absolutely be two separate Super 8s or just get rid of it all together.


Recruited from "all over the country and overseas"??? Try less than 20 miles from school in most instances. Last I checked, Catholics don't board or billet players.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

I know AC was famous for having a few Russian kids right?

Re: High School 17-minute periods

23? Let's see there was one on the 4th line this year and one on the 3rd line last year.

All of the others left town hockey when they were Squirts and maybe a few stayed through Peewees. All of them come from BA, BJT or BSB.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

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23? Let's see there was one on the 4th line this year and one on the 3rd line last year.

All of the others left town hockey when they were Squirts and maybe a few stayed through Peewees. All of them come from BA, BJT or BSB.


By leaving out an important fact, you just identified the real, underlying reason that Hingham and other "top" high school hockey programs can't compete--none (okay, maybe one or two) of Hingham's players play on the Tier 1 teams from any of those programs. The kids just aren't good enough to play Tier 1 and expecting them to compete against Catholics made up completely of Tier 1 players is ludicrous.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

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23? Let's see there was one on the 4th line this year and one on the 3rd line last year.

All of the others left town hockey when they were Squirts and maybe a few stayed through Peewees. All of them come from BA, BJT or BSB.


By leaving out an important fact, you just identified the real, underlying reason that Hingham and other "top" high school hockey programs can't compete--none (okay, maybe one or two) of Hingham's players play on the Tier 1 teams from any of those programs. The kids just aren't good enough to play Tier 1 and expecting them to compete against Catholics made up completely of Tier 1 players is ludicrous.


I'm not sure you know much about some of the players. Let's just say yes there are typically 10-12 kids that play Tier 1 for these programs and some play for the high school because oddly enough hockey might not be their recruited / primary sport or they chose to move on to academics in college rather than play at some D-3 college up in the hills of wherever after a year or two of juniors.

But that is in fact the difference. Top public kids can play with top kids from any school - you see it all summer and fall in the tournaments and during the summer at the camps and college combines. The difference is depth, or number of kids that can play at a high level. When a public has two lines and two sets of D that actually can play against four full lines it doesn't take long for the wheels to come off so yes, you are right.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

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I'm not sure you know much about some of the players. Let's just say yes there are typically 10-12 kids that play Tier 1 for these programs and some play for the high school because oddly enough hockey might not be their recruited / primary sport or they chose to move on to academics in college rather than play at some D-3 college up in the hills of wherever after a year or two of juniors.

But that is in fact the difference. Top public kids can play with top kids from any school - you see it all summer and fall in the tournaments and during the summer at the camps and college combines. The difference is depth, or number of kids that can play at a high level. When a public has two lines and two sets of D that actually can play against four full lines it doesn't take long for the wheels to come off so yes, you are right.


Sorry, I was using the generic term "Tier 1" to mean the top level--like "Tier 1 Nationals". Hingham probably does have 10-12 "Tier 1" players--surprised its not more--using the EHF nomenclature, Tier 1 being the level below "Elite". [Everywhere else that would be called Tier 2.] My bad. I should have said the Catholics are full of "Elite" level players of which Hingham and other publics have very few.

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No we are on the same page. Yes, Tier 1 'National Bound' they would in the past few years have 5-6 at the U-18 level and 4-5 at the U-16 level. Now ask the coaches who or what that means and they would be lost trying to figure it out. Just not enough compared to those that recruit the better 12-13 year olds in the region.

Plus, many of the Catholics will have their lids on just a few teams for summer & fall. Publics will have kids on 6-8 different teams all playing different systems.

Depth, recruiting, coaching, working to get the kids deals.... Totally different.

Re: High School 17-minute periods

When my son was an 8th grader he skated with a pretty good team. After practice a coach from a local catholic school which is kind of a hockey school took 4-5 kids aside and chatted with them about attending his school. After the chat I asked my son if he was interested and he was kind of dumbfounded by the whole thing. "Why would I go to that school just to play hockey?"