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Re: BB&N

anon


Really depends on the school - some schools will scout and pull in transfers from all over. Other schools basically prohibit the coaches from bringing in transfers. Every program is different and every school has different values when it comes to education and athletics.
Which is, historically, the difference between Keller and Eberhart Division schools. Problem is, BB&N has abandoned that philosophy and needs to be moved down.

I know of two kids that were recruited by BB&N for months, a year ago, and then in the end weren't admitted. Then-coach said there was only so much money to go around all of the sports. Which is BS. If you can't walk the talk, don't talk the talk. Fired or resigned, he needed to go.

Re: BB&N

That is true! Every grade can only get a certain amount of kids a year in. Hockey was never the priority sport to get kids in. If there was kid better at baseball or football they would take him over hockey. That's just how it is and was. It wasn't the coaches fault, he can't say yes or no. It is always a battle with the admissions department. The coach isn't going to make a difference it's still going to be the same team and the same battle with admissions. If your the best coach you can only coach the kids you have unfortunately. He was a great coach and the kids are devasted he is leaving!

Re: BB&N

Anonymous
That is true! Every grade can only get a certain amount of kids a year in. Hockey was never the priority sport to get kids in. If there was kid better at baseball or football they would take him over hockey. That's just how it is and was. It wasn't the coaches fault, he can't say yes or no. It is always a battle with the admissions department. The coach isn't going to make a difference it's still going to be the same team and the same battle with admissions. If your the best coach you can only coach the kids you have unfortunately. He was a great coach and the kids are devasted he is leaving!
No, it IS the coach's fault if he recruits kids and then doesn't deliver. It's his job to work with Admissions to know how many slots he has, how much money he has, and what the minimum academic standards the school is willing to accept are. Then he has to find kids that meet those criteria. If he promises more kids than he has slots - coach's fault. If he promises more money than he has - coach's fault. If the kid can't get in academically - coach's fault. If Admissions renegs on their commitments, then the AD has to have a Come To Jesus conversation with the Head of School and even involving the Board of Trustees, if necessary.

Bottom line: don't tell them you can if you can't. Kids and parents at the level that they are being recruited have to make choices based on what they are told during the recruiting process. When you're told "come to my school" and then he doesn't have the slot or the money, there's an opportunity at another school that family is passing on. Or, the parents are lying to that OTHER school, which denies another kid an opportunity.

These ISL coaches are treating it like it's the NCAA. It isn't.

Re: BB&N

Anon
Anonymous
That is true! Every grade can only get a certain amount of kids a year in. Hockey was never the priority sport to get kids in. If there was kid better at baseball or football they would take him over hockey. That's just how it is and was. It wasn't the coaches fault, he can't say yes or no. It is always a battle with the admissions department. The coach isn't going to make a difference it's still going to be the same team and the same battle with admissions. If your the best coach you can only coach the kids you have unfortunately. He was a great coach and the kids are devasted he is leaving!
No, it IS the coach's fault if he recruits kids and then doesn't deliver. It's his job to work with Admissions to know how many slots he has, how much money he has, and what the minimum academic standards the school is willing to accept are. Then he has to find kids that meet those criteria. If he promises more kids than he has slots - coach's fault. If he promises more money than he has - coach's fault. If the kid can't get in academically - coach's fault.

Don't tell them you can if you can't. Kids and parents at the level that they are being recruited have to make choices based on what they are told during the recruiting process. When you're told "come to my school" and then he doesn't have the slot or the money, there's an opportunity at another school that family passed on. Or, the parents are lying to that OTHER school, which denies another kid an opportunity.

These ISL coaches are treating it like it's the NCAA. It isn't.


People get a grip, you are talking about BBN hockey, if your kid was any good, he would be playing somewhere else.

Re: BB&N

Anon
Anonymous
That is true! Every grade can only get a certain amount of kids a year in. Hockey was never the priority sport to get kids in. If there was kid better at baseball or football they would take him over hockey. That's just how it is and was. It wasn't the coaches fault, he can't say yes or no. It is always a battle with the admissions department. The coach isn't going to make a difference it's still going to be the same team and the same battle with admissions. If your the best coach you can only coach the kids you have unfortunately. He was a great coach and the kids are devasted he is leaving!
No, it IS the coach's fault if he recruits kids and then doesn't deliver. It's his job to work with Admissions to know how many slots he has, how much money he has, and what the minimum academic standards the school is willing to accept are. Then he has to find kids that meet those criteria. If he promises more kids than he has slots - coach's fault. If he promises more money than he has - coach's fault. If the kid can't get in academically - coach's fault. If Admissions renegs on their commitments, then the AD has to have a Come To Jesus conversation with the Head of School and even involving the Board of Trustees, if necessary.

Bottom line: don't tell them you can if you can't. Kids and parents at the level that they are being recruited have to make choices based on what they are told during the recruiting process. When you're told "come to my school" and then he doesn't have the slot or the money, there's an opportunity at another school that family is passing on. Or, the parents are lying to that OTHER school, which denies another kid an opportunity.

These ISL coaches are treating it like it's the NCAA. It isn't.


You are missing a HUGE piece of the puzzle and thats transfers. Most of the pure hockey schools bring in a bunch of stud kids during their junior or senior seasons. Look at Cushing and Thayer - they bring in tons of kids later on. Some schools such as BB&N don't do that. They rely on the kids they brought in when the kids enrolled in 7th and 9th grade and you are stuck with those kids. Kids can't just transfer into BB&N and play hockey. Its a school policy. Belmont Hill and Sebs are similar. Those school can't rely on bringing in transfers and thats a huge handicap when trying to build a hockey super power.

Re: BB&N

anon


You are missing a HUGE piece of the puzzle and thats transfers. Most of the pure hockey schools bring in a bunch of stud kids during their junior or senior seasons. Look at Cushing and Thayer - they bring in tons of kids later on. Some schools such as BB&N don't do that. They rely on the kids they brought in when the kids enrolled in 7th and 9th grade and you are stuck with those kids. Kids can't just transfer into BB&N and play hockey. Its a school policy. Belmont Hill and Sebs are similar. Those school can't rely on bringing in transfers and thats a huge handicap when trying to build a hockey super power.
What do Junior and Senior (and PG) transfers have to do with a coach actively recruiting Freshmen and then not being able to even get them into the school?

If a coach at Cushing or Thayer brings in Upperclassmen and takes minutes away from a Sophomore, at least the kid's still in the school enjoying the benefits of the education. Chances are the kid hasn't developed and isn't tracking the way the coach projected when the kid was 14. Again, though, that's an NCAA mentality on display.

Re: BB&N

Anon
anon


You are missing a HUGE piece of the puzzle and thats transfers. Most of the pure hockey schools bring in a bunch of stud kids during their junior or senior seasons. Look at Cushing and Thayer - they bring in tons of kids later on. Some schools such as BB&N don't do that. They rely on the kids they brought in when the kids enrolled in 7th and 9th grade and you are stuck with those kids. Kids can't just transfer into BB&N and play hockey. Its a school policy. Belmont Hill and Sebs are similar. Those school can't rely on bringing in transfers and thats a huge handicap when trying to build a hockey super power.
What do Junior and Senior (and PG) transfers have to do with a coach actively recruiting Freshmen and then not being able to even get them into the school?

If a coach at Cushing or Thayer brings in Upperclassmen and takes minutes away from a Sophomore, at least the kid's still in the school enjoying the benefits of the education. Chances are the kid hasn't developed and isn't tracking the way the coach projected when the kid was 14. Again, though, that's an NCAA mentality on display.



It shows how difficult it is for schools that don't accept transfers. They have to get it right the first time and admit kids when they are 13 and hope they develop. Other ISL schools can cancel out their mistakes by bringing in transfers. Huge difference in recruiting.

Re: BB&N

anon
Anon
anon


You are missing a HUGE piece of the puzzle and thats transfers. Most of the pure hockey schools bring in a bunch of stud kids during their junior or senior seasons. Look at Cushing and Thayer - they bring in tons of kids later on. Some schools such as BB&N don't do that. They rely on the kids they brought in when the kids enrolled in 7th and 9th grade and you are stuck with those kids. Kids can't just transfer into BB&N and play hockey. Its a school policy. Belmont Hill and Sebs are similar. Those school can't rely on bringing in transfers and thats a huge handicap when trying to build a hockey super power.
What do Junior and Senior (and PG) transfers have to do with a coach actively recruiting Freshmen and then not being able to even get them into the school?

If a coach at Cushing or Thayer brings in Upperclassmen and takes minutes away from a Sophomore, at least the kid's still in the school enjoying the benefits of the education. Chances are the kid hasn't developed and isn't tracking the way the coach projected when the kid was 14. Again, though, that's an NCAA mentality on display.



It shows how difficult it is for schools that don't accept transfers. They have to get it right the first time and admit kids when they are 13 and hope they develop. Other ISL schools can cancel out their mistakes by bringing in transfers. Huge difference in recruiting.



Schools prioritize in different areas - BBN prioritizes itself on academics and has more stringent admission standards than Cushing or Thayer. Level of expectations should be different as well. Look how BC Football struggles compared to Alabama where they let in any good athlete.

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He did resign ! I don't know where your information comes from!