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I think it was Franklin last year that won the D-I State Championship and here is an honest question, as a public school would the kids & coaches rather win the D-I State Championship or get invited and blown-out in the first round of the Super 8?
Let's be honest here, no public is ever going to beat a regional all-star team ever again to win the Super 8 so please leave the "as a public it is better to win the Super 8" talk at the door.
Obviously a Franklin parent...Hi dad.
But to answer your question,you are correct. No public will ever win the S8. Interestingly enough, Franklin did win D1 last year, and the year before, got blown out in S8 (I know, first game was "close", but MC will tell you, they weren't even breaking a sweat and were just shooting it into the goalie - see regular season and S8 game 2 results when MC gave at least part of an effort). Honestly, that year Franklin just squeaked by X to get in, and X has been horrible the last 2 years at scoring, so odds are, Franklin would have tanked in either D1 or S8 that year. But kudo's to the boys from Franklin last year. What they accomplished was certainly impressive, although I still wonder how they beat my kid's team to get there.
If I were a Franklin dad I could obviously go and ask any of the players what they think.
Should the pre-season goal be stated as "win the state championship" or "make the Super 8 and get blown-out in the first round"??? So which do you think the kids & coaches actually believe is a better / more meaningful accomplishment???
Hingham lived this the last 2 years and it seems like most people in town would choose the D-1 champs route--where "D" stands for delusional.
And 'Super 8' stands for 'Super Ate' as in being just a snack for the regional all star teams to mop the floor with your public team.
The Catholic schools are recruiting more and find a way to move kids on post high school and the publics are just able to watch the gap widen.
The D-1 title is really just 9th best in the state...that's quite an accomplishment...not!
Really it should mean #1 public or #1 non-regional all-star team in the state.
For a D-3 school like Hingham with 500 boy students or Reading with 600 boy students from one town to think they are going to compete against a D-1 all boys school like B.C. High with 1,500 boys with regionally recruited hockey players is laughable. If anyone took an objective eye to this situation they would never let it continue.
trying to answer the question: can we stipulate the likelihood of a 'town' HS winning the super 8 is (very) rare but has happened (Hingham in 2010), therefore could again. and all coaches, ad's, administrators and fans know the Catholics have an advantage, an advantage few towns can overcome. btw these same persons take great pleasure in defeating a decent Catholic team even during the regular season.
my hierarchy is: beating your rival, being ranked, make the tournament, win the division, win a tournament game, advancing to the final round, win a state title, be invited to the super 8, advancing, winning.
therefore if i have a team that is invited to the super 8 and have already won a state title (after 5 years i may waiver) i will accept the invitation. yes even with the likelihood of being crushed. otherwise i will pass.
my hierarchy is:
beating your rival,
make the tournament,
win the division,
being invited to the super 8 and getting blown-out in the first round
advancing to the final round of D-1
advancing in the Super 8
win the D-1 state title,
win the Super 8
I'm not sure if Herb Brooks can take a handful of kids that can play and upset these C.C. teams with 20 kids that can play. Maybe for a game but for a full tourney as a low seed (plus a play-in) it's highly unlikely. The frequent complaint is the system they play is outdated with an emphasis placed on giving up the puck (chipping the puck out / dumping the puck) while these kids are coming to the program having played more current puck possession style of play. What I've seen in the last few years, and I've been out to watch their games and some of their players, is they no longer lean on a just few kids. I think they have seen the negative impact of having too much faith in a few kids and they are playing more of them. The days of playing three defensemen in C.C. games are over, even if some of the kids aren't ready.
And I think if I were a good hockey player living in eastern Mass and I was not up for going prep, why wouldn't I go to a school like MC, AP or BCH and have a chance to win it all? And the coaches work at getting the kids junior and college looks so why would I go? Heck I think there are a few Hingham kids every year that go to BCH and I'd guess it isn't for the academics.
I don't know about the seniority thing. Too many underclassmen get run over in D-1 / C.C. hockey, just look at how much time they gave the NHL'er's kid and it was nothing short of a disaster. Good little player but he wasn't ready for more than a few shifts per game - hardly worth building the whole backend around the little guy. A couple years ago T.D. was a local that went to BCH and he parlayed it into a spot at Tufts and the standing joke around h.s. hockey is he wouldn't have gotten a shift had he stayed and somehow the BCH coaches got him a spot at Tufts. They just need to do more to move kids along.
Not sure, but didn't Reading win one year?
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Franklin was way overdue to win something . They lost3 years straight in the Garden. Congrats!! HS hockey watered down beyond belief now.They do a bring a great crowd to every game!
Nice Super 8 champs list. So apart from Reading and Hingham winning within the past decade, there are only four or five Catholic teams that have ever won the Super8. At least these publics have won the title, more than many of the other Catholic teams that never have. Maybe it should just be the Super 3 or Super4.