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Re: Mighty MC falls to Delbarton

Anon
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USHL not the problem - if a kid is good enough to play there let him go. It's the other garbage programs grabbing HS kids that are the problem as mentioned in the post. Stay in HS, play with your buddies - then play a yr or two of jr's if you want to make a run at it. Could be wrong but dont think there are lots of HS kids running to USHL - and again if they are good enough to play there go get'em.


There's not many HS kids from Massschusetts running to the USHL because Massachusetts hockey doesn't produce that many high level players. Its as simple as that. All our myriad youth, high school, prep, split season, summer tournament....hockey has done is water down the talent and coaching so much that kids that could have been players get lost in the sh_t. The Miracle team was half from Massachusetts. This year's world juniors team has 3. Go watch a Prep game, which is supposed to be the top hockey in this area. Even between the "best" teams the hockey is terrible (If there's 3 D-men in all of Massachusetts prep that can make consistent breakout passes on the tape I'd be amazed) All the discussion about prep vs HS is a joke. They both suck compared to U16 in the Tier 1 Elite Hockey League (excluding the BA, who also suck).
Saw BA play recently, game I saw they lost 4-2 to the NJ Avalanche, which MHR has as #6 in the country. BA is just over .500 overall, and just under that in the T1EHL. According to MHR, it Looks like they had an 0-4 weekend, playing against #8, #9, #25 and #59. So realistically, best they probably could have expected would have been 1-3, 2-2 if they stole a game.

My point is, they aren't great, but they hardly suck. They skated with NJ, but they weren't as cohesive. Lack size up front. Goalie stood on his head.

Would the U16s be competitive with top preps, like Milton, Thayer? No. Not enough size, strength to make up for 2-3 year age difference.


I can't believe how much Mass IS hockey has fallen off the last few years! Prep seems to be younger than ever and full season midget seems to be stealing enough kids to water things down.

I think I am starting to lean towards fs midgets. However, here in NE, maybe 4-6 decent programs as in top 50 and no elite, as in top 20. Maybe the USPHL going Tier 2 will change things?

Any thoughts?

Re: Mighty MC falls to Delbarton

Anon
Anon
anon
anon
USHL not the problem - if a kid is good enough to play there let him go. It's the other garbage programs grabbing HS kids that are the problem as mentioned in the post. Stay in HS, play with your buddies - then play a yr or two of jr's if you want to make a run at it. Could be wrong but dont think there are lots of HS kids running to USHL - and again if they are good enough to play there go get'em.


There's not many HS kids from Massschusetts running to the USHL because Massachusetts hockey doesn't produce that many high level players. Its as simple as that. All our myriad youth, high school, prep, split season, summer tournament....hockey has done is water down the talent and coaching so much that kids that could have been players get lost in the sh_t. The Miracle team was half from Massachusetts. This year's world juniors team has 3. Go watch a Prep game, which is supposed to be the top hockey in this area. Even between the "best" teams the hockey is terrible (If there's 3 D-men in all of Massachusetts prep that can make consistent breakout passes on the tape I'd be amazed) All the discussion about prep vs HS is a joke. They both suck compared to U16 in the Tier 1 Elite Hockey League (excluding the BA, who also suck).
Saw BA play recently, game I saw they lost 4-2 to the NJ Avalanche, which MHR has as #6 in the country. BA is just over .500 overall, and just under that in the T1EHL. According to MHR, it Looks like they had an 0-4 weekend, playing against #8, #9, #25 and #59. So realistically, best they probably could have expected would have been 1-3, 2-2 if they stole a game.

My point is, they aren't great, but they hardly suck. They skated with NJ, but they weren't as cohesive. Lack size up front. Goalie stood on his head.

Would the U16s be competitive with top preps, like Milton, Thayer? No. Not enough size, strength to make up for 2-3 year age difference.


I can't believe how much Mass IS hockey has fallen off the last few years! Prep seems to be younger than ever and full season midget seems to be stealing enough kids to water things down.

I think I am starting to lean towards fs midgets. However, here in NE, maybe 4-6 decent programs as in top 50 and no elite, as in top 20. Maybe the USPHL going Tier 2 will change things?

Any thoughts?


USPHL is not going Tier II, it was denied by USA Hockey

Re: Mighty MC falls to Delbarton

Anon
USPHL is not going Tier II, it was denied by USA Hockey


Not technically Tier II since USA Hockey rejected it. But they are creating their own free-to-play league.

http://www.usphl.com/ncdc

Re: Mighty MC falls to Delbarton

So they will still be tier 3 and just because it will be free for all of the provincial families that are afraid to travel outside of New England people think it will then compete with the USHL?

Please

Re: Mighty MC falls to Delbarton

anon
So they will still be tier 3 and just because it will be free for all of the provincial families that are afraid to travel outside of New England people think it will then compete with the USHL?

Please


Tier 2, Tier 3 doesn't matter. What matters is the quality of hockey, the cost and the proximity of the league to the 90% of the division 1-3 schools where the kids from the east will end up attending. I am certain there will be bumps and changes on the fly but a few years down the road will be viable

Re: Mighty MC falls to Delbarton

For those on the South Shore who know Hinghams team well, how would they do against BA's u16 & I 18 teams?

Compare

I think Hingham would lose to both U-16 and U-18 BA teams. In fact I don't think it would even be close. The full season teams are made up of kids who know the game and specialize in hockey, are plus skaters and can move the puck effectively.

Re: Mighty MC falls to Delbarton

The coaches of the few kids taken for Hockey East schools will still send them out to the Midwest. USPHL will have a few D-I kids (Kings, Hitmen...) but it will still be a D-3 college league for the foreseeable future.

Re: Mighty MC falls to Delbarton

anon
So they will still be tier 3 and just because it will be free for all of the provincial families that are afraid to travel outside of New England people think it will then compete with the USHL?

Please
Ummm, why would you think that anyone other than you would expect a Tier 2 team to be competitive against a Tier 1 league?

The USPHL needs to be competitive against the NAHL, which is Tier 2 and tuition free. The Northeast Generals moved here last year, will play out of Attleboro. THAT'S who the USPHL wants to compete against.

USA Hockey better be careful, this decision has disaster written all over it. I personally expect the AAU to make inroads into NE youth hockey through the USPHL, into the EHF.

And, if you had a kid that is at that level, you'd understand how attractive tuition free hockey without billeting is, as an alternative to the NAHL. Not the USHL.

Re: Mighty MC falls to Delbarton

Anon
anon
So they will still be tier 3 and just because it will be free for all of the provincial families that are afraid to travel outside of New England people think it will then compete with the USHL?

Please
Ummm, why would you think that anyone other than you would expect a Tier 2 team to be competitive against a Tier 1 league?

The USPHL needs to be competitive against the NAHL, which is Tier 2 and tuition free. The Northeast Generals moved here last year, will play out of Attleboro. THAT'S who the USPHL wants to compete against.

USA Hockey better be careful, this decision has disaster written all over it. I personally expect the AAU to make inroads into NE youth hockey through the USPHL, into the EHF.

And, if you had a kid that is at that level, you'd understand how attractive tuition free hockey without billeting is, as an alternative to the NAHL. Not the USHL.


That's what I'm thinking. AAU is trying to get back into hockey. So here is a perfect opportunity. I can see that somewhere between now and the beginning of next season you see an announcement that they are partnering this new league with AAU and then not longer after they move the rest of the USPHL out of USA Hockey and to AAU.