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Instead of relying on the opinions of others why not just go catch a game or two. BA/Monarchs play on the 8th in Hookset I believe, the following weekend BA has 4 games at Pilgrim. You will get a good idea (especially from the Hingham games) of the level of play in the league.
Depends on how political your town is and what division they play in. If your son is good and goes to a D2 or D3 school then it's a no-brainer, stay clear of high school. If your son plays for a good D1 school and it's not about picking the kids whose parents are on the booster club then high school it should be. If it's a politically driven town and they don't pick on skill then yes, the private club option is much better. Tier 1 league U15 good. U16 better than any high school in Massachusetts. For U18 if your kid is lucky enough to play that and he's being looked at by high end junior clubs and colleges.
Ace, I think he's agreeing with you. He wrote - " Tier 1 league U15 good. U16 better than any high school in Massachusetts. "
You wrote - "T1EHL is far superior to any public HS game I've ever seen in MA."
You would be hard pressed as any kind of homer to think any D-I or C.C. school could hang for long with a T1EHL team. Maybe they could give a U15 team a game but no chance at U16 and beyond.
High school hockey has jumped the shark. Really go watch a game. They don't know how to check a player and take a check. Up the boards and give the puck away. It's a shame to see high school hockey played like that. I guess it's the no checking generation on the ice. Thank you USA hockey for turning it into a girls sport.
Absolutely better. Go and join if your kid wants to play college hockey. If not, stay with your local high school.
The washed-up has-been that writes -
"It's pretty simple, if you are good enough, they will find you and ask you to come play for them. All the parent spending, begging, and team hoping in the world won't help unless the kid can play" has no idea how this works today.
Go and look at the http://collegehockeyinc.com/ recruiting tab. How to contact, how to get noticed tips. Go and look at family advisers websites. Look at all of the marginal youth and high school players that seem to have a P.R. buzz about them - how does this happen?
I can speak from experience, every year D-I level prospects get overlooked because the coaches have no idea the kid wants to play college hockey or he has no idea the kid would even have an interest in the school where the guy coaches. Been there, done that.
"Ha! Your an idiot"
Classic, never heard that before. It never stops being funny...
Took this out of reality:
Q: Where should I play to prepare to play college hockey?
A: The vast majority of D-I college hockey players come from America's only Tier I Junior League the USHL. Second to that is the Canadian Major Junior Hockey Leagues. If you're interest is in playing D-I hockey it is almost a requirement to play in one of these leagues.
No college coach wants an 18 year old kid coming out of high school when they have their pick of 20 year old men. If you are not good enough to play in one of these these leagues you will need to play at least a year of Junior hockey in a lesser Tier II or Tier III league and afterwards it is more than likely you will be looking at D-III colleges. If you do not spend time in these leagues, the coaches will have next to no interest in you or your high school career or ability. Simply, they will not find you, they won't care.
this all goes back to 1 simple point....if you are good enough they will find you. Save a ton of money, go play HS hockey with your friends and enjoy the entire HS experience.
There's something to be said for having a HS girlfriend, going to the Semi- formal, going to watch a football game under the lights. If after 2 years you are clearly faster, stronger, better, and dominating your HS then go to prep or Jr., stay back a year, and make a run at it....if you do it at 13/14/15 years old your just rolling the dice....
"The CC studs you mentioned of days gone by are still there, but you're probably seeing them skate as freshman and sophomores, not as juniors and seniors."
Your getting all the kids that were not allowed to check in High School now. They shoot the puck up boards because they don't know how to take a check or give one. Count how many times each team gives the puck away!!!
USPHL better option. BA has become a non-factor at both levels. Idiot parents are just dream chasers.
Agreed. USPHL is a far better option than T1EHL, but you're still getting far too many kids on these full season U rosters whose parents think they're too good for public, get cut or buried at Catholics or whose parents won't foot the bill for a Prep. If you're considering it, go check it out. It may work for you. But If your kid can legitimately play at a Catholic or Prep, or be a standout at a good Public for a few years before making a jump to a Prep or Juniors, you're probably far better off staying with one of those options.
U18 USPHL much better than T1
I got to watch a bunch of Tier 1 games over the weekend in Hingham. This was the second time I got to watch a game at that level and I was amazed how cheap and chippy the games are. Half the players are cross checking everything in sight, scrums all over the place and fights. Its U16 and U18. The hockey is decent but its a goon fest in my opinion. Kids have no recourse for being cheap. The last time I saw a Tier 1 U18 game it was a brawl with BA and some other team and yesterday wasnt much different. I even witnessed fights between kids in the hallways. Honestly I wouldnt even let my kid play in that mess - I much rather him in prep hockey or high school hockey where players actually have some restraint and they know they cant take liberties without punishment as they represent a school. Its about development and not being a goon. This setup of putting raging 16-18 year old kids on buses and in hotel rooms and shipping them all over is a joke. Missing school and playing in goon filled games - all set with that. I am all for tough hockey but conduct yourself like a pro and not some punk.
Don't know what games you were watching but I saw nothing of what you just described. Yes, the games are physical but there was nothing remotely dirty or cheap about them and there certainly were no fights in the hallways.
Buffalo jr Sabres vs NH Monarchs was one of the games and hallway outside between period between what it seemed was players or members or organizations.Brawl I witnessed was U18 BA a while back. Maybe its just the games I caught but quality of hockey is fine but the goon stuff is out of hand. Pathetic.
Guy is clueless. What does league have to do with "local" players? It's a national league.
Locally, any one of the BA players would be first one on their HS teams. Why is a 20 game HS season against low end talent attractive?
spot on man-each and everyone of the players on the U16 and U18 advantage was cut by a Prep or a CC team. Parents are living in a fantasy world
Sorry your kid is on the 3rd line at your D2 or D3 school. Complete joke. There are 8 graders who can't even play real club team hockey playing varsity for some of these crappy D3 HS teams. Most U14 teams could beat these teams!
Go watch either of these teams and the competition. None of those U18's were cut from their HS teams. Most are public HS kids that actually can play vs. the total public HS kids, even at the D1 level. Hingham, Marshfield, Braintree, Weymouth, Walpole, Norwood, and so on....The best player on those teams would struggle to keep up with the U18 competition on both BA and other T1 Elite league kids. Stick with the facts folks.
Fact. A few of the teams listed above had kids who played U16 in their 2nd year of U16 for BA...none of those kids made the U18 team, all heading back to their HS's. Good players, but not good enough to play at the U18 level of this league.
U16's are even better, usually because the kids can be smaller and faster, better for the good developing players to play with kids who get it vs. playing the garbage 18 year olds who can't catch a pass or stick handle.
Sorry your kid can't make a team in this league. Keep telling yourself it's not good hockey though and Hanover High is a better option for you :) (You know who you are buddy)
High school hockey has jumped the shark. It's all who you know and not how hard you work. They dont have to skate hard Daddy got them there.
Just read a stat that out of 498 D1 college players - only 1 came directly from u18 Tier 1 hockey. 17 came directly from prep schools.
Agree. Good players are everywhere and the PG factor makes prep an alternative to junior hockey. Go watch a game and you tell me if that is the breeding ground for the better players in the college game.
Yeah those 4 D1 commits on the Avalanche are mediocre at best. Come on man.
High school is all political. It's all who you know and how much you donate or if daddies coaching.
Its from lack of real skill/talent. Players hit and fight for the clapping that goes with it. If they don't have skill and finesse to draw a big oooh and aww from the crowd they do it with goon tactics instead! You definitely don't see it as much in prep school. It's not allowed and kids are smart enough not to risk an injury. Same in Europe, who also rely more on skill than cavemen mentality.