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Re: USHL Draft -

anon
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If facts are allowed, why does it have to be 2-3 more years of where your at? You can leave prep after 10th or 11th when you probably have a better idea from your college when they expect you to come in. What in the hell would you go out there for if your 16 and your college doesn't anticipate you coming in until you are 20.

Every kid is different. TJW is an exceptional player. Most kids his age are not as good. Most kids can't follow his path because he was good enough to play out there at his age. Most are not and won't make a team even if they wanted to go out there.
Not sure where you're unclear. What I said was to go to the USHL after your Freshman (3 years of HS left) or Sophomore (2 years) to SHORTEN your path to the NCAA. It's convenient to think every D1 Freshman is 20, but that just isn't true.

If TJW was still considered exceptional, he would have made the NTDP. He went on is own after they turned him down.

And everyone told MH he was crazy to go, he wouldn't make the team, wouldn't see the ice. Well, that didn't happen.

Others are going to see these kids make it, and expect they can, too. Then maybe they can be 18 or 19 year old Freshmen. Yes, every kid is different. Meaning, not every kid should stick around for 4 years of MA HS hockey.



The average age of an incoming freshment college hockey player is 20. Plenty of sources out there on that so it is a fact. The 18 year old freshmen are still outliers. So when you should go out is a year by year decision based upon where the kid is as a player and when the shcool projects him to come in.
If the average age is 20, it is not statistically possible for a number that close to the mean to be an outlier.

Remember, the 18 year olds factor into the calculation of the mean, equally to the 22 year olds.

Re: USHL Draft -

Anon
anon
Anon
anon
If facts are allowed, why does it have to be 2-3 more years of where your at? You can leave prep after 10th or 11th when you probably have a better idea from your college when they expect you to come in. What in the hell would you go out there for if your 16 and your college doesn't anticipate you coming in until you are 20.

Every kid is different. TJW is an exceptional player. Most kids his age are not as good. Most kids can't follow his path because he was good enough to play out there at his age. Most are not and won't make a team even if they wanted to go out there.
Not sure where you're unclear. What I said was to go to the USHL after your Freshman (3 years of HS left) or Sophomore (2 years) to SHORTEN your path to the NCAA. It's convenient to think every D1 Freshman is 20, but that just isn't true.

If TJW was still considered exceptional, he would have made the NTDP. He went on is own after they turned him down.

And everyone told MH he was crazy to go, he wouldn't make the team, wouldn't see the ice. Well, that didn't happen.

Others are going to see these kids make it, and expect they can, too. Then maybe they can be 18 or 19 year old Freshmen. Yes, every kid is different. Meaning, not every kid should stick around for 4 years of MA HS hockey.



The average age of an incoming freshment college hockey player is 20. Plenty of sources out there on that so it is a fact. The 18 year old freshmen are still outliers. So when you should go out is a year by year decision based upon where the kid is as a player and when the shcool projects him to come in.
If the average age is 20, it is not statistically possible for a number that close to the mean to be an outlier.

Remember, the 18 year olds factor into the calculation of the mean, equally to the 22 year olds.



Well I'm no stats geek but I know enough to know you don't know what your talking about. The range of the data is not 0-44. It's 17-25 probably and to know where any particular age falls you need to know the SD. So yes, it is statistically possible for 18 to be an outlier from 20 if the range is low, which it is, and the SD is low, which it is.

Re: USHL Draft -

Anon
anon
If facts are allowed, why does it have to be 2-3 more years of where your at? You can leave prep after 10th or 11th when you probably have a better idea from your college when they expect you to come in. What in the hell would you go out there for if your 16 and your college doesn't anticipate you coming in until you are 20.

Every kid is different. TJW is an exceptional player. Most kids his age are not as good. Most kids can't follow his path because he was good enough to play out there at his age. Most are not and won't make a team even if they wanted to go out there.
Not sure where you're unclear. What I said was to go to the USHL after your Freshman (3 years of HS left) or Sophomore (2 years) to SHORTEN your path to the NCAA. It's convenient to think every D1 Freshman is 20, but that just isn't true.

If TJW was still considered exceptional, he would have made the NTDP. He went on is own after they turned him down.

And everyone told MH he was crazy to go, he wouldn't make the team, wouldn't see the ice. Well, that didn't happen.

Others are going to see these kids make it, and expect they can, too. Then maybe they can be 18 or 19 year old Freshmen. Yes, every kid is different. Meaning, not every kid should stick around for 4 years of MA HS hockey.


NTDP misses on kids all the time. Look at this years draft. Top couple of picks will most likely not come from NTDP.

Re: USHL Draft -

anon
Anon
anon
If facts are allowed, why does it have to be 2-3 more years of where your at? You can leave prep after 10th or 11th when you probably have a better idea from your college when they expect you to come in. What in the hell would you go out there for if your 16 and your college doesn't anticipate you coming in until you are 20.

Every kid is different. TJW is an exceptional player. Most kids his age are not as good. Most kids can't follow his path because he was good enough to play out there at his age. Most are not and won't make a team even if they wanted to go out there.
Not sure where you're unclear. What I said was to go to the USHL after your Freshman (3 years of HS left) or Sophomore (2 years) to SHORTEN your path to the NCAA. It's convenient to think every D1 Freshman is 20, but that just isn't true.

If TJW was still considered exceptional, he would have made the NTDP. He went on is own after they turned him down.

And everyone told MH he was crazy to go, he wouldn't make the team, wouldn't see the ice. Well, that didn't happen.

Others are going to see these kids make it, and expect they can, too. Then maybe they can be 18 or 19 year old Freshmen. Yes, every kid is different. Meaning, not every kid should stick around for 4 years of MA HS hockey.


NTDP misses on kids all the time. Look at this years draft. Top couple of picks will most likely not come from NTDP.


True! Playing in the program opens doors for these kids at the Elite college programs. Oftentimes these players cannot cut it whereas less regarded recruits thrive. Certainly an accomplishment making the team but not guarantee.

Re: USHL Draft -

anon
anon
You tell me. Either the local kids don't have it; don't want to be away from mommy or they just don't scout the region.

http://ushl1.rinknetcloud.com/2017/results.htm

http://ushl2.rinknetcloud.com/2017/results.htm



Every year is different but in general, they don't look at NE as much as other areas. It is a midwest league after all and so midwest kids are more likely to play, especially at younger ages. Think about if they had an east coast division, how many more kids would jump at it.

NE kids want to play prep for a couple of years and then go out there for a year or two max. So if you draft a NE kid in the futures draft, you don't want to waste a high pick on a kid that is not as likely to come out there and if they do, they will be looking for one year before college, not 2-3 which is what many clubs are looking for from players.

Also there are so many rounds that most picks are throw aways. They can't protect that many kids year to year so the ten 01's just drafted will drop to six next year and two the year after. Many will be drafted again in two years if they go unprotected but want to play when they are 18-19 years old.


You must be lost?

Because actual informative and precise information like you gave usually doesn't find its way here on the D-Board.

Now you have a good excuse other than he's just not good enough to tell people why your kid isn't in the USHL.

He did all you delusional freakazoids a favor!

Re: USHL Draft -

Anon
anon
anon
You tell me. Either the local kids don't have it; don't want to be away from mommy or they just don't scout the region.

http://ushl1.rinknetcloud.com/2017/results.htm

http://ushl2.rinknetcloud.com/2017/results.htm



Every year is different but in general, they don't look at NE as much as other areas. It is a midwest league after all and so midwest kids are more likely to play, especially at younger ages. Think about if they had an east coast division, how many more kids would jump at it.

NE kids want to play prep for a couple of years and then go out there for a year or two max. So if you draft a NE kid in the futures draft, you don't want to waste a high pick on a kid that is not as likely to come out there and if they do, they will be looking for one year before college, not 2-3 which is what many clubs are looking for from players.

Also there are so many rounds that most picks are throw aways. They can't protect that many kids year to year so the ten 01's just drafted will drop to six next year and two the year after. Many will be drafted again in two years if they go unprotected but want to play when they are 18-19 years old.


You must be lost?

Because actual informative and precise information like you gave usually doesn't find its way here on the D-Board.

Now you have a good excuse other than he's just not good enough to tell people why your kid isn't in the USHL.

He did all you delusional freakazoids a favor!


I get it, your kid missed his opportunity therefore nobody else is worthy. Fine, you are angry. Now that we got that out of the way:


Every kid from NE drafted yesterday was worthy. Outside of four or five of them, there were 20-30 other 01's in NE that would be worthy of drafted ( incl NDTP kids). Good news is that in the next few years they along with other 01's will still likely be drafted in Phase 2. They all ( unless tendered) still need to make the team. Many do not and go tier 2-3 and then come back the following year. All Good!! Except for you MR " I'm Angry because my kid wasn't worthy of the USHL" You keep yelling at that Mean Ocean!

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Post above was well put. My kid wasn't drafted and will try his luck in the new NCDC league. The kids picked were mostly deserving, a few favors late, everyone knows the drill. My kids biggest complaint was that he entertained constant texts from the local kid "ushl scout" who he only responded to because he felt like he had to. I probably paid for a couple tournaments like a dope too because of his emails making sure the USHL team was mentioned at least 5 times. USHL teams should really do something about "scouts" piggy backing their brand to squeeze every penny possible.

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Getting drafted is a blessing in disguise. Most 16-17 year old kids are not even close to ready to go out there but when they are they were undrafted and can choose the best situation for themselves.

I know a local kid that was pretty pi$$ed he wasn't drafted, but got invited to 6 main camps within a day of the draft and a D1 offer within a week. They miss all the time - especially with kids around here that they just don't get to see that much.

Re: USHL Draft -

anon
Getting drafted is a blessing in disguise. Most 16-17 year old kids are not even close to ready to go out there but when they are they were undrafted and can choose the best situation for themselves.

I know a local kid that was pretty pi$$ed he wasn't drafted, but got invited to 6 main camps within a day of the draft and a D1 offer within a week. They miss all the time - especially with kids around here that they just don't get to see that much.


I meant NOT getting drafted is a blessing in disguise. Should have read it before sending.