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Let's try this a different way: If your kid actually attended a camp, let us know that, and tell us about the actual experience, from your POV, and from your kid's. What were the plusses and minuses? Would you, or did you, have him attend again, or attend more than one?
If you're going to share your opinion but your kid hasn't actually attended a camp, just be up front and let people know that. Your opinion matters, just not very much, since it's second or third hand, at best.
Went to an open camp. We both had a great time, we're happy we did it, and every parent and kid I spoke with said the same thing. They skated them hard, gave every kid equal ice time, including OT and shootouts - just rotated them through.
We went in with our eyes wide open, I told him to be prepared to be cut. He was. So what? By the end of the camp he was so tired he was glad he was going home, the prospects of going for another three days against better players, with dead legs, wasn't attractive.
He skated this past weekend, and his skills guy said he is playing the best he ever has. Seems the experience caused a light bulb to go off, since he knows he can compete, fully, at that level. Now we'll see if he can keep his game there going into his summer stuff with his team.
If he does, it will be short money well spent. And if he doesn't, we had fun.
Zero misgivings, we will see if he can get invited to a main camp next year.
My son attended a team's main camp again this year. He went to the same one last year as well. It was an awesome experience. It's pretty eye opening for a parent to see the talent level out there and it made him realize there are a lot of good players out there and you really have to work and work and work to keep up with them / set yourself apart from the rest.
I asked him at the end if he enjoyed it. He said "It wasn't bad" but he went on to say it's very stressful and not exactly the funnest hockey experience but it was really good for him.
He played very well and has had a lot of colleges reach out to him since it happened to get to know him and asked him to tour, so it was definitely a success and I would and will do it again in a heartbeat.
Just off the top of my head there were at least 30 D1 schools watching at some point during the weekend, so if you go out there and play well you will get noticed for sure.
Only drawback for us was that it's a ton of hockey in a short amount of time so you better be in shape and have some legs or you can look pretty awful.
How old is your son? Sounds like a great experience.
People get all twisted up on timelines and it's damaging. Players who make it to the NHL in their early 20's are called late bloomers but that's actually the norm. The ones under 20 are by far the exceptions but your made to feel that if your kid is not on the Hanafin timeline he's fallen behind so you fell you have to chase every tournament/tryout/combine etc.
This truth from a D3 coach on twitter today:
Jamie Rice @Ricer18 7h7 hours ago
"Fear of missing out" is one of the hardest obstacles parents face in making educated and sane decisions for their children in youth sports
Do you guys feel like your son is mentally ready to make that type of move? I guess a 2000 would be more likely ready compared to 2002. It just seems like so many parents are begging for an opportunity not realizing how real it gets when your kid is living with another family, 700 miles away, and not happy 2 months into it. Careful what we wish for. Best of luck to your boys.
Admin better take this thread down. Way too much good information being exchanged. They D Board does have a reputation to uphold.
Isn't it funny how the dads of kids that went have a realistic, but mostly positive impression, while all the dads of kids that didn't go trash them continuously?
I think if you're aiming at playing after high school it's worth a shot. Adjust your target and see what the next step entails. Other than your time (we all know in youth hockey there is no need to discuss money), why not look for new experiences and rachet up a notch?
Cause if you put that $2K into skill/strength development he might actually end up being good enough to play out there.
Nice, you walked out there, slept outside the rink and didn't eat for four days. Impressive.
My son went a few years back and loved it. He didn't make it to main camp but is currently playing ECAC hockey. Our youngest is an 03. I hope in the next few years he has the same drive to attend a few of these and see where it goes, but am truly surprised at the amount of parents who "think" their kid is "ready". I feel it is good for them to go, see what its like, and realize, they are not "ready".
Overage are 20 year olds. There are no limits on 19's. If you kid is limited by overage then he graduated HS and played local junior for 2 years (unless he repeated or double repeated/PG like a few do) and if he is still looking for a place to play at 20, it's time to go to college and play club hockey if he still wants to play.
There are 60 NCAA D1 programs. There are 16 USHL clubs. Nearly every kid in that league has a D1 comittment. Don't think I've ever seen a line chart with a D3 school logo next to a kids name.
Exactly. If you cannot crack a USHL lineup than your college prospects are far from over. 2/3rd of D1 players did not play in the USHL never mind D3.
It can't be both? What if it cost double? Triple? Same experience, same time on ice, same level of hockey. At some point the experience is still great but it's not worth it. Everyone has to make their own call because you really won't know or get a straight answer from anyone because no one will be honest. No one will come back and say what a waste. They won't tell you that their kid was the 10th forward or was on a line with the same kids who wouldn't pass the puck all weekend. They will just say it was good to see where he was at.
From my personal experience, if your kid is not on the radar already and has no change of playing in the all star games, don't go. Wait till he can play on that level. That's when you see if he can really make a team and play at that leval. Those are also the games where all of the NHL and college coaches are watching. If he's underage and going just because you got an email, your probably wasting your time and money, unless of course you are just curious.
Semantics. Not worth it is the same as a waste of money. Doesn't mean zero value but it means if you could do it over, you wouldn't, but whatever.
Yes I've observed two camps. The talent on the ice varies greatly. There are 160-200 kids at the camp. There are also other USHL clubs having camps at the same time also with 160 to 200 kids out there. There arent that many good players out there. Maybe if your kid is younger all the kids look better because they are bigger/faster. But once your used to watching that level you'll see that there are a whole bunch who just aren't that good. You act like at a tryout they all have the same skill. All have had good coaching. And yes there are kids who try to showcase themselves so no, not everyone moves the puck when they are supposed to. This is a junior tryout, not the NHL and they are kids. Some go from tryout to tryout and when your desparte to crack into the league, you'll do what you think you need to stand out. Passing the puck to a 16 year old winger who is going to get battered along the wall and turn the puck over going the other way isn't the best way to showcase your abilities. But if you have been to any you would know this.
You would also know that during the prelim games often times the coaches can be seen meeting with returning players in locker rooms or lobby of the rink and not watching the games. Then as the college coaches and nhl scouts start to arrive they are off networking. The only games with the undivided attention of coaches and scouts are the all star games. They are the only ones that matter. These clubs are looking for handful of players. They know their returners. They know their affiliates who are ready to step into the roster and have already comitted to come out for the next season. They are looking for a couple more. Once its down to 40 players they can better judge because the younger kids who arenet ready and the older kids who can't play are gone.
Don't really care if you put stock in it or not.
Most clubs have 8 team main camp. A few have 4 main, 4 futures running at the same time but what's the diff. Pretty sure everyone can take in the face that in any hockey event they have been to there is a drop off in talent, IQ etc. The thought that a tryout camp is all Tier 1 junior level play is not close to accurate.
Just getting our feet wet with this. What is an affiliate player?
Drafted and maintained on the clubs protected list. If your kid is drafted and kept on the teams list, he can't play for any other USHL team.
Futures drafts are 10 players. All 10 are protected for a year. After a year I think the club can protect 4 or 6 of those so some will be dropped but are then elibigle again to be drafted in the phase 2 draft. Who is kept on the list depends on projections as well as the family giving an indication of a willingness to send their kid out there.
Not uncommon for players to be drafted in the USHL more than once. Once in the futures draft and then again in the phase 2 draft a couple of years down the road.
Teams will have a 30 man roster in July and that pares down to 23 by Sep or the start of the season. So 7 will be cut or move to the affiliate list.
Affiliate lists are 18 deep. In general each year they consiste of 10 futures that were just drafted in May, Six from the prior years futures draft, and four others.
So this July most teams will have an affiliate list of ten '01's, six '00's and two '99's.
Thanks for the info. Good discussion.