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Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

Hot mom
anon
Anon
St Sebs plays Catholic Memorial in a charity game every year. Last year Sebs won 5-1. Not that it is an absolute but it might be a good indication of the difference. Do other preps play high schools ? What is the recent history (last 5 years) of that Sebs / CM game?


Keep in mind Sebs played its backups for most of the game too.


This is hockey, not football. Backups in hockey? What a putz!


How about this - Sebs played the kids that don't normally play a lot in games. 3rd and 4th liners, 3rd goalie, etc.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

anon
Hot mom
anon
Anon
St Sebs plays Catholic Memorial in a charity game every year. Last year Sebs won 5-1. Not that it is an absolute but it might be a good indication of the difference. Do other preps play high schools ? What is the recent history (last 5 years) of that Sebs / CM game?


Keep in mind Sebs played its backups for most of the game too.


This is hockey, not football. Backups in hockey? What a putz!


How about this - Sebs played the kids that don't normally play a lot in games. 3rd and 4th liners, 3rd goalie, etc.
My kid's team rostered 25 last season - 14 F, 8 D, 3 G. Those kinds of numbers leaves a lot of kids (every one of them recruited) hungry for minutes, and an exhibition is a great opportunity for that to happen, particularly when the result was well in hand.

Yes, there are backups in hockey.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

Are you asking how the best kids from the collective groups would do in a three game series? I'm sure it would be competitive with only the top players participating but the prep schools would win in a series.

It wouldn't be that close if the the individual teams played every team from the opposite grouping. In general, the catholic/public teams do not have the depth of teams to compete from top to bottom in the groups you referenced.

In another way of putting it....any team from the Prep school list can be beat each other and beat the top teams in the Catholic/public list. Not true the other way around.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

Anony
Are you asking how the best kids from the collective groups would do in a three game series? I'm sure it would be competitive with only the top players participating but the prep schools would win in a series.

It wouldn't be that close if the the individual teams played every team from the opposite grouping. In general, the catholic/public teams do not have the depth of teams to compete from top to bottom in the groups you referenced.

In another way of putting it....any team from the Prep school list can be beat each other and beat the top teams in the Catholic/public list. Not true the other way around.


All good points but I do think that the Preps have far more high end kids ( committed, likely future USHL players Elite Skilled players) that might tip things in their favor more so than you are suggesting. The very good players in CC / D1 are interchangeable with most Prep players, but the JW of the world and the CC players from 5-10 years ago are either anomalies or things of the past.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

Agree 100%. Just saying the best kids from each grouping would have a "somewhat" competitive 3 game series....really a two game series.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

Delbarton VS Prep and CC teams:

2016-11-19 14:00 Berkshire School 1 - 3
2016-11-20 10:00 Dexter School 1 - 6

2016-12-17 17:30 Malden Catholic HS 2 - 1
2016-12-18 11:00 St Johns Prep 3 - 0

2017-01-25 17:45 Lawrenceville School 3 - 0
2017-02-04 16:00 Brunswick School 3 - 1

2017-02-07 17:00 Hill School Prep 3 - 1
2017-02-10 20:00 Pope Francis HS 4 - 1


Two years ago Delbarton tied Berkshire and Brunswick and beat Dexter 3-2. Beat CM 2-0.

Clearly Prep School is better and Delbarton is a lot closer to Prep than it is to Mass CC.

Mass CC is closer to some of the middle to lower Independent and New England Preps and even then Prep will likely be deeper.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

this sounds like the EHF Vs E9 Vs BHL all over again!!

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

anon
this sounds like the EHF Vs E9 Vs BHL all over again!!


Yes and at this point it is scripture:

1. EHF Elite
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2. Valley League
3. E9
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15. BHL

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

Tony Danza
anon
this sounds like the EHF Vs E9 Vs BHL all over again!!


Yes and at this point it is scripture:

1. EHF Elite
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2. Valley League
3. E9
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15. BHL


Please go back to the baby board. Please.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

The PrePrep Showcase is an absolute total waste of time for goalies as they put 3 goalies on every team.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

anon
Anon
anon
I laugh about the clamoring for prep hockey. Go for the school, not the hockey.

A defensemen on my son's public D-I team would dominate in Bantam & Midget tournaments against prep players and few even noticed. Conversely another kid on the team h.s. team who was god awful, surprised they even let him play and he moved onto prep and was on the first pairing defensively. On average it might be better but each player has their own limitations. Prep isn't all that.



Actually, it is much, much better but I agree with you many of the players are interchangable


So How would these teams
1 Boston College HS 20-5-3 95.51 2.07 93.44
2 Malden Catholic HS 19-6-1 94.92 1.42 93.50
3 Arlington HS 24-2-2 94.82 2.57 92.25
4 Pope Francis HS 15-5-1 94.77 1.95 92.81
5 Catholic Memorial HS 15-6-2 94.41 1.13 93.28
6 Austin Prep 17-4-4 94.41 2.24 92.17
7 St Johns Prep 11-9-1 94.27 0.95 93.32
8 Hingham HS 14-9-1 94.12 0.54 93.58
9 Walpole HS 22-2-1 94.07 3.24 90.83
10 Central Catholic HS 16-6-3 93.96 1.56 92.40

DO against these teams:
1 Kimball Union Academy 32-5-2 98.55 2.46 96.09
2 Dexter School 25-4-3 98.11 2.06 96.05
3 Avon Old Farms 19-6-3 98.08 1.46 96.62
4 Rivers School 25-6-1 97.97 2.34 95.63
5 Phillips Academy Exeter 24-7-1 97.97 2.03 95.94
6 Salisbury School 20-8-2 97.91 1.60 96.31
7 Loomis Chaffee 15-9-1 97.89 1.32 96.57
8 Thayer Academy 20-10-0 97.89 1.40 96.49
9 Lawrence Academy 21-5-1 97.73 1.59 96.14
10 Winchendon School 17-11-2 97.55 1.63 95.91

Would it be close in a 3 game series or No? Which hockey is stronger?


Trade the goalies and play just the top two lines and there would be no difference. Problem is the preps take the better goalies and have more depth, that's all. But thanks for all of the absolutely worthless stats.


Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

anon
anon
Anon
anon
I laugh about the clamoring for prep hockey. Go for the school, not the hockey.

A defensemen on my son's public D-I team would dominate in Bantam & Midget tournaments against prep players and few even noticed. Conversely another kid on the team h.s. team who was god awful, surprised they even let him play and he moved onto prep and was on the first pairing defensively. On average it might be better but each player has their own limitations. Prep isn't all that.



Actually, it is much, much better but I agree with you many of the players are interchangable


So How would these teams
1 Boston College HS 20-5-3 95.51 2.07 93.44
2 Malden Catholic HS 19-6-1 94.92 1.42 93.50
3 Arlington HS 24-2-2 94.82 2.57 92.25
4 Pope Francis HS 15-5-1 94.77 1.95 92.81
5 Catholic Memorial HS 15-6-2 94.41 1.13 93.28
6 Austin Prep 17-4-4 94.41 2.24 92.17
7 St Johns Prep 11-9-1 94.27 0.95 93.32
8 Hingham HS 14-9-1 94.12 0.54 93.58
9 Walpole HS 22-2-1 94.07 3.24 90.83
10 Central Catholic HS 16-6-3 93.96 1.56 92.40

DO against these teams:
1 Kimball Union Academy 32-5-2 98.55 2.46 96.09
2 Dexter School 25-4-3 98.11 2.06 96.05
3 Avon Old Farms 19-6-3 98.08 1.46 96.62
4 Rivers School 25-6-1 97.97 2.34 95.63
5 Phillips Academy Exeter 24-7-1 97.97 2.03 95.94
6 Salisbury School 20-8-2 97.91 1.60 96.31
7 Loomis Chaffee 15-9-1 97.89 1.32 96.57
8 Thayer Academy 20-10-0 97.89 1.40 96.49
9 Lawrence Academy 21-5-1 97.73 1.59 96.14
10 Winchendon School 17-11-2 97.55 1.63 95.91

Would it be close in a 3 game series or No? Which hockey is stronger?


Trade the goalies and play just the top two lines and there would be no difference. Problem is the preps take the better goalies and have more depth, that's all. But thanks for all of the absolutely worthless stats.





You are delusional. The top 10 MIAA teams would get spanked by 5+ goals vs any of the prep teams you listed. The best CC players leave for prep. Case in point a stud CC left his school last year where he tore up the CC and averaged 2.35pts per game to a prep where he went on to average 1.06pts per game a year older. The jump is immense.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

anon
anon
anon
Anon
anon
I laugh about the clamoring for prep hockey. Go for the school, not the hockey.

A defensemen on my son's public D-I team would dominate in Bantam & Midget tournaments against prep players and few even noticed. Conversely another kid on the team h.s. team who was god awful, surprised they even let him play and he moved onto prep and was on the first pairing defensively. On average it might be better but each player has their own limitations. Prep isn't all that.



Actually, it is much, much better but I agree with you many of the players are interchangable


So How would these teams
1 Boston College HS 20-5-3 95.51 2.07 93.44
2 Malden Catholic HS 19-6-1 94.92 1.42 93.50
3 Arlington HS 24-2-2 94.82 2.57 92.25
4 Pope Francis HS 15-5-1 94.77 1.95 92.81
5 Catholic Memorial HS 15-6-2 94.41 1.13 93.28
6 Austin Prep 17-4-4 94.41 2.24 92.17
7 St Johns Prep 11-9-1 94.27 0.95 93.32
8 Hingham HS 14-9-1 94.12 0.54 93.58
9 Walpole HS 22-2-1 94.07 3.24 90.83
10 Central Catholic HS 16-6-3 93.96 1.56 92.40

DO against these teams:
1 Kimball Union Academy 32-5-2 98.55 2.46 96.09
2 Dexter School 25-4-3 98.11 2.06 96.05
3 Avon Old Farms 19-6-3 98.08 1.46 96.62
4 Rivers School 25-6-1 97.97 2.34 95.63
5 Phillips Academy Exeter 24-7-1 97.97 2.03 95.94
6 Salisbury School 20-8-2 97.91 1.60 96.31
7 Loomis Chaffee 15-9-1 97.89 1.32 96.57
8 Thayer Academy 20-10-0 97.89 1.40 96.49
9 Lawrence Academy 21-5-1 97.73 1.59 96.14
10 Winchendon School 17-11-2 97.55 1.63 95.91

Would it be close in a 3 game series or No? Which hockey is stronger?


Trade the goalies and play just the top two lines and there would be no difference. Problem is the preps take the better goalies and have more depth, that's all. But thanks for all of the absolutely worthless stats.





You are delusional. The top 10 MIAA teams would get spanked by 5+ goals vs any of the prep teams you listed. The best CC players leave for prep. Case in point a stud CC left his school last year where he tore up the CC and averaged 2.35pts per game to a prep where he went on to average 1.06pts per game a year older. The jump is immense.


It is a good jump for sure and it is certainly better hockey but outside of the top half of prep is not that big of a jump.

Look at how Delbarton did against Prep Schools and then against CC. Yes, even the lower preps are deeper and may have a stud but there is not that much difference. This coming from a huge Prep School fan

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

anon
anon
Anon
anon
I laugh about the clamoring for prep hockey. Go for the school, not the hockey.

A defensemen on my son's public D-I team would dominate in Bantam & Midget tournaments against prep players and few even noticed. Conversely another kid on the team h.s. team who was god awful, surprised they even let him play and he moved onto prep and was on the first pairing defensively. On average it might be better but each player has their own limitations. Prep isn't all that.



Actually, it is much, much better but I agree with you many of the players are interchangable


So How would these teams
1 Boston College HS 20-5-3 95.51 2.07 93.44
2 Malden Catholic HS 19-6-1 94.92 1.42 93.50
3 Arlington HS 24-2-2 94.82 2.57 92.25
4 Pope Francis HS 15-5-1 94.77 1.95 92.81
5 Catholic Memorial HS 15-6-2 94.41 1.13 93.28
6 Austin Prep 17-4-4 94.41 2.24 92.17
7 St Johns Prep 11-9-1 94.27 0.95 93.32
8 Hingham HS 14-9-1 94.12 0.54 93.58
9 Walpole HS 22-2-1 94.07 3.24 90.83
10 Central Catholic HS 16-6-3 93.96 1.56 92.40

DO against these teams:
1 Kimball Union Academy 32-5-2 98.55 2.46 96.09
2 Dexter School 25-4-3 98.11 2.06 96.05
3 Avon Old Farms 19-6-3 98.08 1.46 96.62
4 Rivers School 25-6-1 97.97 2.34 95.63
5 Phillips Academy Exeter 24-7-1 97.97 2.03 95.94
6 Salisbury School 20-8-2 97.91 1.60 96.31
7 Loomis Chaffee 15-9-1 97.89 1.32 96.57
8 Thayer Academy 20-10-0 97.89 1.40 96.49
9 Lawrence Academy 21-5-1 97.73 1.59 96.14
10 Winchendon School 17-11-2 97.55 1.63 95.91

Would it be close in a 3 game series or No? Which hockey is stronger?


Trade the goalies and play just the top two lines and there would be no difference. Problem is the preps take the better goalies and have more depth, that's all. But thanks for all of the absolutely worthless stats.



Trade goalies? Top 2 lines vs each other? Seriously? You need to come watch some prep hockey before you make stupid statements like that..If you have to trade goalies to make it competitive then Prep is obviously better, CC/D1 schools would have a better chance with 3rd and 4th lines against each other, not top 2.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

anon
I laugh about the clamoring for prep hockey. Go for the school, not the hockey.

A defensemen on my son's public D-I team would dominate in Bantam & Midget tournaments against prep players and few even noticed. Conversely another kid on the team h.s. team who was god awful, surprised they even let him play and he moved onto prep and was on the first pairing defensively. On average it might be better but each player has their own limitations. Prep isn't all that.



So apparently, Prep is all that.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

anon
I laugh about the clamoring for prep hockey. Go for the school, not the hockey.

A defensemen on my son's public D-I team would dominate in Bantam & Midget tournaments against prep players and few even noticed. Conversely another kid on the team h.s. team who was god awful, surprised they even let him play and he moved onto prep and was on the first pairing defensively. On average it might be better but each player has their own limitations. Prep isn't all that.



Not a single D1 commit in all of MIAA hockey this past season. Most higher-end Prep teams had at least one, many had several.

Re: Discovered at PrePrep Showcase

I'm not a Mensa Association guy but my guess is it's because the top MIAA kids either do a P.G. year at a prep or move on to a junior team. And the minute they commit the discussion from the college coaches is moving along...for all of them.