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Re: NCDC vs NAHL

anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and at a much faster pace.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is jr hockey that watered down? NAHL teams can pass the puck, far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like team play in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games and to the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. NAHL's teams' plays probably improves the passing game. NAHL looks like watching two teams compete NCDC looks like two groups of five individual skaters.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they do not understand the game. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.
And your analysis is based on seeing multiple games of every team in both leagues, I assume?

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

Anon
anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and at a much faster pace.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is jr hockey that watered down? NAHL teams can pass the puck, far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like team play in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games and to the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. NAHL's teams' plays probably improves the passing game. NAHL looks like watching two teams compete NCDC looks like two groups of five individual skaters.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they do not understand the game. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.
And your analysis is based on seeing multiple games of every team in both leagues, I assume?



Its so great everyone is realizing how slow and poor this talent is. How about all those commitments that were coming? Haven't seen any. The stands are loaded with well, noone. Hahahahhahaha. USPHL/NCDC/whatever other name SUX

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

NCDC Sux
Anon
anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and at a much faster pace.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is jr hockey that watered down? NAHL teams can pass the puck, far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like team play in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games and to the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. NAHL's teams' plays probably improves the passing game. NAHL looks like watching two teams compete NCDC looks like two groups of five individual skaters.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they do not understand the game. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.
And your analysis is based on seeing multiple games of every team in both leagues, I assume?



Its so great everyone is realizing how slow and poor this talent is. How about all those commitments that were coming? Haven't seen any. The stands are loaded with well, noone. Hahahahhahaha. USPHL/NCDC/whatever other name SUX


Around 45 former USPHL players ( last team was a USPHL team) are currently rostered on Hockey East Teams. Certainly not the cream of the crop but still pretty good. Take the top D3 teams rosters and you will see many, many more. If the league is able to continue on they will become deeper and will be on par with most leagues. Time will Tell. Remind me again why you have a bone to pick? Did you say your kid plays in a superior league?

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

NCDC Sux- SUCKS!
NCDC Sux
Anon
anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and at a much faster pace.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is jr hockey that watered down? NAHL teams can pass the puck, far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like team play in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games and to the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. NAHL's teams' plays probably improves the passing game. NAHL looks like watching two teams compete NCDC looks like two groups of five individual skaters.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they do not understand the game. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.
And your analysis is based on seeing multiple games of every team in both leagues, I assume?



Its so great everyone is realizing how slow and poor this talent is. How about all those commitments that were coming? Haven't seen any. The stands are loaded with well, noone. Hahahahhahaha. USPHL/NCDC/whatever other name SUX


Around 45 former USPHL players ( last team was a USPHL team) are currently rostered on Hockey East Teams. Certainly not the cream of the crop but still pretty good. Take the top D3 teams rosters and you will see many, many more. If the league is able to continue on they will become deeper and will be on par with most leagues. Time will Tell. Remind me again why you have a bone to pick? Did you say your kid plays in a superior league?


Its a pyramid scheme basically. These 45 players might have played u16 or u18 then went somewhere else. Thats not NCDC. Pay attention.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

NCDC Sux
NCDC Sux- SUCKS!
NCDC Sux
Anon
anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and at a much faster pace.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is jr hockey that watered down? NAHL teams can pass the puck, far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like team play in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games and to the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. NAHL's teams' plays probably improves the passing game. NAHL looks like watching two teams compete NCDC looks like two groups of five individual skaters.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they do not understand the game. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.
And your analysis is based on seeing multiple games of every team in both leagues, I assume?



Its so great everyone is realizing how slow and poor this talent is. How about all those commitments that were coming? Haven't seen any. The stands are loaded with well, noone. Hahahahhahaha. USPHL/NCDC/whatever other name SUX


Around 45 former USPHL players ( last team was a USPHL team) are currently rostered on Hockey East Teams. Certainly not the cream of the crop but still pretty good. Take the top D3 teams rosters and you will see many, many more. If the league is able to continue on they will become deeper and will be on par with most leagues. Time will Tell. Remind me again why you have a bone to pick? Did you say your kid plays in a superior league?


Its a pyramid scheme basically. These 45 players might have played u16 or u18 then went somewhere else. Thats not NCDC. Pay attention.
Wait, I thought the NCDC was in its first month? Wouldn't that make it hard to have alums on college rosters?

Try to come up with SOMETHING more plausible than that when you post, Sux Guy.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

Anon
NCDC Sux
NCDC Sux- SUCKS!
NCDC Sux
Anon
anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and at a much faster pace.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is jr hockey that watered down? NAHL teams can pass the puck, far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like team play in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games and to the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. NAHL's teams' plays probably improves the passing game. NAHL looks like watching two teams compete NCDC looks like two groups of five individual skaters.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they do not understand the game. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.
And your analysis is based on seeing multiple games of every team in both leagues, I assume?



Its so great everyone is realizing how slow and poor this talent is. How about all those commitments that were coming? Haven't seen any. The stands are loaded with well, noone. Hahahahhahaha. USPHL/NCDC/whatever other name SUX


Around 45 former USPHL players ( last team was a USPHL team) are currently rostered on Hockey East Teams. Certainly not the cream of the crop but still pretty good. Take the top D3 teams rosters and you will see many, many more. If the league is able to continue on they will become deeper and will be on par with most leagues. Time will Tell. Remind me again why you have a bone to pick? Did you say your kid plays in a superior league?


Its a pyramid scheme basically. These 45 players might have played u16 or u18 then went somewhere else. Thats not NCDC. Pay attention.
Wait, I thought the NCDC was in its first month? Wouldn't that make it hard to have alums on college rosters?

Try to come up with SOMETHING more plausible than that when you post, Sux Guy.


It will be even harder because outside a small percentage of Junior Bruins and Hitmen players none will even sniff D1 ice. Call it what it is, a pyramid scheme. Wait till the end of the year and see how many "premier " players are called up for 2 games. The NCDC will then be claiming advancement. Haha. Thanks for paying for a bunch of D3 hockey players ice time and bus rides.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

NCDC Sux
NCDC Sux- SUCKS!
NCDC Sux
Anon
anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and at a much faster pace.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is jr hockey that watered down? NAHL teams can pass the puck, far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like team play in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games and to the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. NAHL's teams' plays probably improves the passing game. NAHL looks like watching two teams compete NCDC looks like two groups of five individual skaters.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they do not understand the game. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.
And your analysis is based on seeing multiple games of every team in both leagues, I assume?



Its so great everyone is realizing how slow and poor this talent is. How about all those commitments that were coming? Haven't seen any. The stands are loaded with well, noone. Hahahahhahaha. USPHL/NCDC/whatever other name SUX


Around 45 former USPHL players ( last team was a USPHL team) are currently rostered on Hockey East Teams. Certainly not the cream of the crop but still pretty good. Take the top D3 teams rosters and you will see many, many more. If the league is able to continue on they will become deeper and will be on par with most leagues. Time will Tell. Remind me again why you have a bone to pick? Did you say your kid plays in a superior league?


Its a pyramid scheme basically. These 45 players might have played u16 or u18 then went somewhere else. Thats not NCDC. Pay attention.


Me pay attention? Look at the Hockey East Rosters Slappy! Last team played on will say USPHL which to YOUR point is the same league as NCDC.

I really do wonder why you hold such a grudge? I'm sure if we were to find out, it would make so much sense. My guess is you were a failed athlete and Jr plays at a lower level because he could not make the NCDC.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

NCDC Sux- SUCKS!
NCDC Sux
Anon
anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and at a much faster pace.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is jr hockey that watered down? NAHL teams can pass the puck, far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like team play in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games and to the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. NAHL's teams' plays probably improves the passing game. NAHL looks like watching two teams compete NCDC looks like two groups of five individual skaters.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they do not understand the game. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.
And your analysis is based on seeing multiple games of every team in both leagues, I assume?



Its so great everyone is realizing how slow and poor this talent is. How about all those commitments that were coming? Haven't seen any. The stands are loaded with well, noone. Hahahahhahaha. USPHL/NCDC/whatever other name SUX


Around 45 former USPHL players ( last team was a USPHL team) are currently rostered on Hockey East Teams. Certainly not the cream of the crop but still pretty good. Take the top D3 teams rosters and you will see many, many more. If the league is able to continue on they will become deeper and will be on par with most leagues. Time will Tell. Remind me again why you have a bone to pick? Did you say your kid plays in a superior league?


NOBODY CARES about D3. College Hockey Inc doesn't even list D3 commitments - because NOBODY CARES.

Why does NCDC keep pushing D3? What player worth his salt is going to willingly spend years of their life in juniors only to wind up at D3? Does NCDC = Nobody Cares D3 Conference?


Re: NCDC vs NAHL

anon
NCDC Sux- SUCKS!
NCDC Sux
Anon
anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and at a much faster pace.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is jr hockey that watered down? NAHL teams can pass the puck, far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like team play in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games and to the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. NAHL's teams' plays probably improves the passing game. NAHL looks like watching two teams compete NCDC looks like two groups of five individual skaters.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they do not understand the game. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.
And your analysis is based on seeing multiple games of every team in both leagues, I assume?



Its so great everyone is realizing how slow and poor this talent is. How about all those commitments that were coming? Haven't seen any. The stands are loaded with well, noone. Hahahahhahaha. USPHL/NCDC/whatever other name SUX


Around 45 former USPHL players ( last team was a USPHL team) are currently rostered on Hockey East Teams. Certainly not the cream of the crop but still pretty good. Take the top D3 teams rosters and you will see many, many more. If the league is able to continue on they will become deeper and will be on par with most leagues. Time will Tell. Remind me again why you have a bone to pick? Did you say your kid plays in a superior league?


NOBODY CARES about D3. College Hockey Inc doesn't even list D3 commitments - because NOBODY CARES.

Why does NCDC keep pushing D3? What player worth his salt is going to willingly spend years of their life in juniors only to wind up at D3? Does NCDC = Nobody Cares D3 Conference?




Next year NCDC will have a new name. What will they think of next? How about NHL2?

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

anon
NCDC Sux- SUCKS!
NCDC Sux
Anon
anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and at a much faster pace.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is jr hockey that watered down? NAHL teams can pass the puck, far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like team play in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games and to the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. NAHL's teams' plays probably improves the passing game. NAHL looks like watching two teams compete NCDC looks like two groups of five individual skaters.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they do not understand the game. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.
And your analysis is based on seeing multiple games of every team in both leagues, I assume?



Its so great everyone is realizing how slow and poor this talent is. How about all those commitments that were coming? Haven't seen any. The stands are loaded with well, noone. Hahahahhahaha. USPHL/NCDC/whatever other name SUX


Around 45 former USPHL players ( last team was a USPHL team) are currently rostered on Hockey East Teams. Certainly not the cream of the crop but still pretty good. Take the top D3 teams rosters and you will see many, many more. If the league is able to continue on they will become deeper and will be on par with most leagues. Time will Tell. Remind me again why you have a bone to pick? Did you say your kid plays in a superior league?


NOBODY CARES about D3. College Hockey Inc doesn't even list D3 commitments - because NOBODY CARES.

Why does NCDC keep pushing D3? What player worth his salt is going to willingly spend years of their life in juniors only to wind up at D3? Does NCDC = Nobody Cares D3 Conference?




Oh my god, you are right... College Hockey Inc does not even list D3 commitments because nobody cares!! Ha ha. Those D3 players must all suck.

This isn't football, soccer, lax, basketball, whatever. There are 60 D1 schools which means about 1,200 spots for the best players in the world between 17-24. NCAA hockey has become the preferred path to the pros. Americans, Europeans, and a good majority of Canadians too. Very, Very difficult to crack a lineup. Top D3 programs typically have 3-6 former D1 players transferring in every year. No D2 programs to speak of and practically no hockey programs outside of the midwest and northeast. Unbelievably competitive!


I feel bad for your kids. Is it D1 or bust in your home. I guarantee 100% you did not play any sport at a high level. If you had, you would realize how difficult it is to make D1 in any sport, much less hockey.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

Not easy to get DI commits. We agree on that. Some leagues are better at getting players DI commits than others. We agree on that too. We can also agree that leagues more successful at getting DI commits than the NCDC. NCDC just not the place to get a DI commit.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

anon
Not easy to get DI commits. We agree on that. Some leagues are better at getting players DI commits than others. We agree on that too. We can also agree that leagues more successful at getting DI commits than the NCDC. NCDC just not the place to get a DI commit.


Go look at a D1 Roster. The best American and Europeans ( who want to play NCAA) are typically in the USHL. The Canadians have enough options up north but many still go the USHL route

After that it is an assortment of NAHL,BCHL,AJHL,CCHL and USPHL ( NCDC Now). Some teams seem to focus on recruiting out of certain leagues and areas, but after the NAHL, it seems to be evenly distributed. USPHL, although a Tier 3 league seems to put a decent amount of players D1 ( maybe 15% of Rosters) but not to the extent of those other leagues mentioned. That might change.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

I had a D1 college coach tell me yesterday that in his mind, the difference in the leagues is that the NAHL has NO good young players while the NCDC has a LOT, but the NCDC has no good older players while the NAHL has some.

Then he followed it up by saying they really don't care what league you play in if you are producing.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

anon
I had a D1 college coach tell me yesterday that in his mind, the difference in the leagues is that the NAHL has NO good young players while the NCDC has a LOT, but the NCDC has no good older players while the NAHL has some.

Then he followed it up by saying they really don't care what league you play in if you are producing.


Exactly!

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and faster pace. Fun to watch.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many players that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is JR hockey that watered down? NAHL players can pass the puck, and team passing is far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games. To the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. And the NAHL's teams' plays - the entire game.
NAHL looks like two TEAMS competing. NCDC looks like two groups of five INDIVIDUALS with different jerseys.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they don't understand the game or whats going on around them on the ice. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.


Wow sorry your kid hit cut.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

Unfortunately for the NCDC, video doesn't lie. If you're not intense, its on the video, if you cant pass, its on video, and so on.

I agree with point that NCDC should limit overage players to improve the product. Basically If you don't have skills at 19 or 20, its not happening in the remaining months of the season. Let the younger ones have a chance.

NCDC is average, at best, Tier III hockey.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL



NCDC is average, at best, Tier III hockey.[/quote]

Average at best? Name a better Tier 3 League? EHL is likely the closest and certainly a good league, but the majority of the better teams left and after upgrading with talent, are either at the bottom of the NCDC or in the USPHL Premiere ( 2nd division).

Enough of the slanted hyperbole. NCDC may or may not be on par with NAHL now or ever but enough of the NCDC Sux!! We get it!

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and faster pace. Fun to watch.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many players that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is JR hockey that watered down? NAHL players can pass the puck, and team passing is far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games. To the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. And the NAHL's teams' plays - the entire game.
NAHL looks like two TEAMS competing. NCDC looks like two groups of five INDIVIDUALS with different jerseys.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they don't understand the game or whats going on around them on the ice. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.


So Jeff Cox is writing on the dBoard now?

You couldn't be more wrong. After watching about 5 NAHL games last year while figuring out where my son was going to play this year, we realized NOONE could skate in the NAHL and it sure as hell wasn't a skilled league. We stayed FAR away and our advisor indicated that "the NAHL is definitely not a place I want your kid to end up since he can actually skate"

Haters gonna hate. There's nothing wrong with the hockey - your analysis on the other hand...

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

anon
anon
NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and faster pace. Fun to watch.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many players that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is JR hockey that watered down? NAHL players can pass the puck, and team passing is far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games. To the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. And the NAHL's teams' plays - the entire game.
NAHL looks like two TEAMS competing. NCDC looks like two groups of five INDIVIDUALS with different jerseys.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they don't understand the game or whats going on around them on the ice. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.


So Jeff Cox is writing on the dBoard now?

You couldn't be more wrong. After watching about 5 NAHL games last year while figuring out where my son was going to play this year, we realized NOONE could skate in the NAHL and it sure as hell wasn't a skilled league. We stayed FAR away and our advisor indicated that "the NAHL is definitely not a place I want your kid to end up since he can actually skate"

Haters gonna hate. There's nothing wrong with the hockey - your analysis on the other hand...



You're in denial. With that advice and your kid will end up in Men's league next year. If you want a dose of reality, look at the College Hockey Inc. list of commitments. Lots of NAHL. Extremely sparse with USPHL. But, cheerleaders know best! Keep drinking that NCDC Kool Aide!

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and faster pace. Fun to watch.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many players that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is JR hockey that watered down? NAHL players can pass the puck, and team passing is far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games. To the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. And the NAHL's teams' plays - the entire game.
NAHL looks like two TEAMS competing. NCDC looks like two groups of five INDIVIDUALS with different jerseys.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they don't understand the game or whats going on around them on the ice. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.


So Jeff Cox is writing on the dBoard now?

You couldn't be more wrong. After watching about 5 NAHL games last year while figuring out where my son was going to play this year, we realized NOONE could skate in the NAHL and it sure as hell wasn't a skilled league. We stayed FAR away and our advisor indicated that "the NAHL is definitely not a place I want your kid to end up since he can actually skate"

Haters gonna hate. There's nothing wrong with the hockey - your analysis on the other hand...



You're in denial. With that advice and your kid will end up in Men's league next year. If you want a dose of reality, look at the College Hockey Inc. list of commitments. Lots of NAHL. Extremely sparse with USPHL. But, cheerleaders know best! Keep drinking that NCDC Kool Aide!


Commitments are great but better yet look at the rosters of D1 and D3 teams in the northeast. Plenty of USPHL players albeit not the studs of the teams. NCDC being free should make it a good path. Remains to be seen if will be economically viable. At the same time, I am ecstatic seeing the Generals and NAHL(locally) having success .

Yes, you can root for both!! Why wouldn't we all want to see the local Junior leagues have success?? As much as my kids drive me nuts at times I would much rather see them stay local after high school if the junior path is one they choose ( or are chosen) to take

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and faster pace. Fun to watch.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many players that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is JR hockey that watered down? NAHL players can pass the puck, and team passing is far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games. To the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. And the NAHL's teams' plays - the entire game.
NAHL looks like two TEAMS competing. NCDC looks like two groups of five INDIVIDUALS with different jerseys.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they don't understand the game or whats going on around them on the ice. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.


So Jeff Cox is writing on the dBoard now?

You couldn't be more wrong. After watching about 5 NAHL games last year while figuring out where my son was going to play this year, we realized NOONE could skate in the NAHL and it sure as hell wasn't a skilled league. We stayed FAR away and our advisor indicated that "the NAHL is definitely not a place I want your kid to end up since he can actually skate"

Haters gonna hate. There's nothing wrong with the hockey - your analysis on the other hand...



You're in denial. With that advice and your kid will end up in Men's league next year. If you want a dose of reality, look at the College Hockey Inc. list of commitments. Lots of NAHL. Extremely sparse with USPHL. But, cheerleaders know best! Keep drinking that NCDC Kool Aide!


Commitments are great but better yet look at the rosters of D1 and D3 teams in the northeast. Plenty of USPHL players albeit not the studs of the teams. NCDC being free should make it a good path. Remains to be seen if will be economically viable. At the same time, I am ecstatic seeing the Generals and NAHL(locally) having success .

Yes, you can root for both!! Why wouldn't we all want to see the local Junior leagues have success?? As much as my kids drive me nuts at times I would much rather see them stay local after high school if the junior path is one they choose ( or are chosen) to take


Free hockey is great. But don't claim is Tier 2 just because its free. With one, maybe two, exceptional teams, NCDC is a D3 development league. Lots of project players. Maybe they can skate. But can they skate and pass the puck at the same time? Maybe they cant and thats why NCDC games are so slow. Maybe players are not intense because they lack skills. NAHL eastern division has improved from last year and look like they are there to stay. Generals, Knights, Rebels, Titans all good teams. NAHL is the only legit tier 2 in the east. Can NCDC demonstrate a value proposition. What parent of a young player is going to want to subsidize a team that cant commit a significant number of players to D1.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

NA3HL, as a whole, is a better tier 3 league that both EHL and USPHL. Local teams in those leagues are average at best. NE Stars would dominate.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and faster pace. Fun to watch.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many players that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is JR hockey that watered down? NAHL players can pass the puck, and team passing is far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games. To the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. And the NAHL's teams' plays - the entire game.
NAHL looks like two TEAMS competing. NCDC looks like two groups of five INDIVIDUALS with different jerseys.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they don't understand the game or whats going on around them on the ice. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.


So Jeff Cox is writing on the dBoard now?

You couldn't be more wrong. After watching about 5 NAHL games last year while figuring out where my son was going to play this year, we realized NOONE could skate in the NAHL and it sure as hell wasn't a skilled league. We stayed FAR away and our advisor indicated that "the NAHL is definitely not a place I want your kid to end up since he can actually skate"

Haters gonna hate. There's nothing wrong with the hockey - your analysis on the other hand...



You're in denial. With that advice and your kid will end up in Men's league next year. If you want a dose of reality, look at the College Hockey Inc. list of commitments. Lots of NAHL. Extremely sparse with USPHL. But, cheerleaders know best! Keep drinking that NCDC Kool Aide!


Commitments are great but better yet look at the rosters of D1 and D3 teams in the northeast. Plenty of USPHL players albeit not the studs of the teams. NCDC being free should make it a good path. Remains to be seen if will be economically viable. At the same time, I am ecstatic seeing the Generals and NAHL(locally) having success .

Yes, you can root for both!! Why wouldn't we all want to see the local Junior leagues have success?? As much as my kids drive me nuts at times I would much rather see them stay local after high school if the junior path is one they choose ( or are chosen) to take


Free hockey is great. But don't claim is Tier 2 just because its free. With one, maybe two, exceptional teams, NCDC is a D3 development league. Lots of project players. Maybe they can skate. But can they skate and pass the puck at the same time? Maybe they cant and thats why NCDC games are so slow. Maybe players are not intense because they lack skills. NAHL eastern division has improved from last year and look like they are there to stay. Generals, Knights, Rebels, Titans all good teams. NAHL is the only legit tier 2 in the east. Can NCDC demonstrate a value proposition. What parent of a young player is going to want to subsidize a team that cant commit a significant number of players to D1.
Dude, I feel sorry for you. You're starting to sound a lot like NCDC Sux, but even if you're a different poster, what would motivate you to take all of that time out of your day to type up that drivel, and respond equally negatively to everyone that replies?

You really need to re-examine your life.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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anon
What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Where does the NCDC refer to itself as Tier 2? As they are not a member of USA Hockey, it does not matter what they call themselves. You maybe correct but the Tier system is something that was devised by USA Hockey. Nothing wrong with that at all. My point is, who cares if it is 1, 2 or 3? If it is my son, I care about the level of play, the exposure, the cost ( bottom line) and how it will help him develop and reach his goals. If my son was a little older, it would be USHL, NAHL, BCHL, AJHL, CCHL then NCDC. Does not take anything away from them and in a few years they may surpass all except USHL. If that is the case, I still don't care what Tier they are, only the parameters previously laid down.

It seems like there are too many people that get caught up in the verbiage and semantics and take exception to it. If the lower leagues continue improving than they will have the traction to create divisions below u14 and people will continue paying which will supplement the NCDC. As long as there is a clear path (Not Guarantees) , people will pay!

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Why. Do. You. Care?

There is absolutely zero downside to you or your kid that Gallant and the USPHL have decided to go this route. NCDC v1.0 says it waters Tier 2 down. That isn't a bad thing to any dad, since if your kid has game he should be able to be more dominant.

Junior Hockey News recognizes them as Tier 2. In fact, four of the 11 NCDC teams are in their Top 20. Only five of the 23 NAHL teams are. By that standard one could very legitimately claim the NCDC has already moved ahead of the NAHL, in terms of quality of play night in and night out.

And, Elite Prospects has no problem with recognizing them as Tier 2. Because they understand it doesn't ****ing matter.

But, NCDC Sux, whether v1.0 or v2.0 knows better.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

Call it EJHL. Call it USPHL Premier. Call it NCDC. Whatever letters you give it, it's third-tier hockey. The EHL was ranked higher the last two years than the USPHL Premier, so don't even think of saying the NCDC is Tier II.

Go to an NCDC game and go to an NAHL game. The NAHL knows how to make their games real events. They make it special for the players. The USPHLNCHDDSJC or whatever is like a mite game, only with less people in the stands.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Why. Do. You. Care?

There is absolutely zero downside to you or your kid that Gallant and the USPHL have decided to go this route. NCDC v1.0 says it waters Tier 2 down. That isn't a bad thing to any dad, since if your kid has game he should be able to be more dominant.

Junior Hockey News recognizes them as Tier 2. In fact, four of the 11 NCDC teams are in their Top 20. Only five of the 23 NAHL teams are. By that standard one could very legitimately claim the NCDC has already moved ahead of the NAHL, in terms of quality of play night in and night out.

And, Elite Prospects has no problem with recognizing them as Tier 2. Because they understand it doesn't ****ing matter.

But, NCDC Sux, whether v1.0 or v2.0 knows better.


Junior Hockey News doesn't commit players. It sells advertising. Elite prospects merely repeats what it is told.

If labels don't matter, why was NCDC so hell bent on being called Tier 2?

What matters is D1 commits. Most NCDC teams don't have many, if any. Are NCDC players good and no body knows it? Is NCDC just ineffective at getting good players committed? What is the value in that?

Labels do matter. If you payed for 10 gallons of 94 octane at the gas pump only to find out later you actually got 3 gallons of 86 octane, you would be first to scream, and for good reason.





Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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Anon
anon
anon
What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Why. Do. You. Care?

There is absolutely zero downside to you or your kid that Gallant and the USPHL have decided to go this route. NCDC v1.0 says it waters Tier 2 down. That isn't a bad thing to any dad, since if your kid has game he should be able to be more dominant.

Junior Hockey News recognizes them as Tier 2. In fact, four of the 11 NCDC teams are in their Top 20. Only five of the 23 NAHL teams are. By that standard one could very legitimately claim the NCDC has already moved ahead of the NAHL, in terms of quality of play night in and night out.

And, Elite Prospects has no problem with recognizing them as Tier 2. Because they understand it doesn't ****ing matter.

But, NCDC Sux, whether v1.0 or v2.0 knows better.


Junior Hockey News doesn't commit players. It sells advertising. Elite prospects merely repeats what it is told.

If labels don't matter, why was NCDC so hell bent on being called Tier 2?

What matters is D1 commits. Most NCDC teams don't have many, if any. Are NCDC players good and no body knows it? Is NCDC just ineffective at getting good players committed? What is the value in that?

Labels do matter. If you payed for 10 gallons of 94 octane at the gas pump only to find out later you actually got 3 gallons of 86 octane, you would be first to scream, and for good reason.







There are 40+ former USPHL players on Hockey East Rosters and another 5+ from the EHL. I am sure the numbers are higher in the Atlantic, ECAC, etc. Tier 3 is relevant. Go look at the top D3 teams and there are many former Tier 3 players. These are all very good hockey players. Are they as good as the majority of the kids in the USHL? No! They are certainly as good as many of the NAHL kids and kids in other similar leagues.

USA hockey calls all pay to play leagues Tier 3. Those leagues (NAHL) that are Tier 2 are structured similarly ( in many ways, mostly Free) to that of the NCDC. Because NCDC does not fall under the USA hockey umbrella, they are free to call it whatever they want. No TM on Tier 2. They are certainly not misleading anybody!! Everybody in the game knows what it is from what it ain't. Call it the Super Duper Tier 1 supreme league! Does not matter. Besides, I believe they call it "Free" not Tier 2.

At the end of the day, they are what they are. Which is pretty good. Probably gonna get better too.

Put the IHC, JR Bruins, Hitmen, SSK and some of the better teams up against the NE Generals ( Best record in the NAHL). You don"t think they would compete? Absolutely yes!

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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Anon
anon
anon
What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Why. Do. You. Care?

There is absolutely zero downside to you or your kid that Gallant and the USPHL have decided to go this route. NCDC v1.0 says it waters Tier 2 down. That isn't a bad thing to any dad, since if your kid has game he should be able to be more dominant.

Junior Hockey News recognizes them as Tier 2. In fact, four of the 11 NCDC teams are in their Top 20. Only five of the 23 NAHL teams are. By that standard one could very legitimately claim the NCDC has already moved ahead of the NAHL, in terms of quality of play night in and night out.

And, Elite Prospects has no problem with recognizing them as Tier 2. Because they understand it doesn't ****ing matter.

But, NCDC Sux, whether v1.0 or v2.0 knows better.


Junior Hockey News doesn't commit players. It sells advertising. Elite prospects merely repeats what it is told.

If labels don't matter, why was NCDC so hell bent on being called Tier 2?

What matters is D1 commits. Most NCDC teams don't have many, if any. Are NCDC players good and no body knows it? Is NCDC just ineffective at getting good players committed? What is the value in that?

Labels do matter. If you payed for 10 gallons of 94 octane at the gas pump only to find out later you actually got 3 gallons of 86 octane, you would be first to scream, and for good reason.
Unless you're the one buying the gas, Why. Do. You. Care?

My kid is playing USPHL Elite. He's young, still growing. I am very happy with the program. I still think the NAHL is a superior product. But I have zero reason to hate on NCDC. May he'll play there, maybe he won't. It's nice to have a choice.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

Anon
anon
Anon
anon
anon
What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Why. Do. You. Care?

There is absolutely zero downside to you or your kid that Gallant and the USPHL have decided to go this route. NCDC v1.0 says it waters Tier 2 down. That isn't a bad thing to any dad, since if your kid has game he should be able to be more dominant.

Junior Hockey News recognizes them as Tier 2. In fact, four of the 11 NCDC teams are in their Top 20. Only five of the 23 NAHL teams are. By that standard one could very legitimately claim the NCDC has already moved ahead of the NAHL, in terms of quality of play night in and night out.

And, Elite Prospects has no problem with recognizing them as Tier 2. Because they understand it doesn't ****ing matter.

But, NCDC Sux, whether v1.0 or v2.0 knows better.


Junior Hockey News doesn't commit players. It sells advertising. Elite prospects merely repeats what it is told.

If labels don't matter, why was NCDC so hell bent on being called Tier 2?

What matters is D1 commits. Most NCDC teams don't have many, if any. Are NCDC players good and no body knows it? Is NCDC just ineffective at getting good players committed? What is the value in that?

Labels do matter. If you payed for 10 gallons of 94 octane at the gas pump only to find out later you actually got 3 gallons of 86 octane, you would be first to scream, and for good reason.
Unless you're the one buying the gas, Why. Do. You. Care?

My kid is playing USPHL Elite. He's young, still growing. I am very happy with the program. I still think the NAHL is a superior product. But I have zero reason to hate on NCDC. May he'll play there, maybe he won't. It's nice to have a choice.


Exactly.

"The NAHL is a superior product."

In a nutshell, that's what I'm talking about.