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Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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NCDC vs NAHL

Biggest difference. INTENSITY. NCDC games played at a painfully slow pace. No intensity. If you want to nap and can’t fall asleep, watch an NCDC game. Gliding is BORING. NCDC players rarely do anything but glide. Players look more like they’re trying to conserve energy than trying to compete. NAHL games are played at a more intense and faster pace. Fun to watch.

Next biggest difference. PASSING. Most NCDC teams cannot effectively pass the puck at game speed. Most cannot reliably execute a plain vanilla break out play. How do so many players that cant pass the puck get picked by these NCDC teams? Is JR hockey that watered down? NAHL players can pass the puck, and team passing is far superior to that of the NCDC.

Third biggest difference. TEAM PLAY. Team play in NCDC game is very much like in a pick up game. If it happens, it happens by accident. An NCDC game is five skaters playing five different individual games. To the extent those players interact, it appears completely ad hoc. NAHL teams execute plays. And the NAHL's teams' plays - the entire game.
NAHL looks like two TEAMS competing. NCDC looks like two groups of five INDIVIDUALS with different jerseys.

Fourth biggest difference. HOCKEY SENSE. NCDC players look lost on the ice, as if they don't understand the game or whats going on around them on the ice. NAHL players look like they know the game.

NCDC is a WANNABE lacking intensity, skill, depth and much more.


So Jeff Cox is writing on the dBoard now?

You couldn't be more wrong. After watching about 5 NAHL games last year while figuring out where my son was going to play this year, we realized NOONE could skate in the NAHL and it sure as hell wasn't a skilled league. We stayed FAR away and our advisor indicated that "the NAHL is definitely not a place I want your kid to end up since he can actually skate"

Haters gonna hate. There's nothing wrong with the hockey - your analysis on the other hand...



You're in denial. With that advice and your kid will end up in Men's league next year. If you want a dose of reality, look at the College Hockey Inc. list of commitments. Lots of NAHL. Extremely sparse with USPHL. But, cheerleaders know best! Keep drinking that NCDC Kool Aide!


Commitments are great but better yet look at the rosters of D1 and D3 teams in the northeast. Plenty of USPHL players albeit not the studs of the teams. NCDC being free should make it a good path. Remains to be seen if will be economically viable. At the same time, I am ecstatic seeing the Generals and NAHL(locally) having success .

Yes, you can root for both!! Why wouldn't we all want to see the local Junior leagues have success?? As much as my kids drive me nuts at times I would much rather see them stay local after high school if the junior path is one they choose ( or are chosen) to take


Free hockey is great. But don't claim is Tier 2 just because its free. With one, maybe two, exceptional teams, NCDC is a D3 development league. Lots of project players. Maybe they can skate. But can they skate and pass the puck at the same time? Maybe they cant and thats why NCDC games are so slow. Maybe players are not intense because they lack skills. NAHL eastern division has improved from last year and look like they are there to stay. Generals, Knights, Rebels, Titans all good teams. NAHL is the only legit tier 2 in the east. Can NCDC demonstrate a value proposition. What parent of a young player is going to want to subsidize a team that cant commit a significant number of players to D1.
Dude, I feel sorry for you. You're starting to sound a lot like NCDC Sux, but even if you're a different poster, what would motivate you to take all of that time out of your day to type up that drivel, and respond equally negatively to everyone that replies?

You really need to re-examine your life.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Where does the NCDC refer to itself as Tier 2? As they are not a member of USA Hockey, it does not matter what they call themselves. You maybe correct but the Tier system is something that was devised by USA Hockey. Nothing wrong with that at all. My point is, who cares if it is 1, 2 or 3? If it is my son, I care about the level of play, the exposure, the cost ( bottom line) and how it will help him develop and reach his goals. If my son was a little older, it would be USHL, NAHL, BCHL, AJHL, CCHL then NCDC. Does not take anything away from them and in a few years they may surpass all except USHL. If that is the case, I still don't care what Tier they are, only the parameters previously laid down.

It seems like there are too many people that get caught up in the verbiage and semantics and take exception to it. If the lower leagues continue improving than they will have the traction to create divisions below u14 and people will continue paying which will supplement the NCDC. As long as there is a clear path (Not Guarantees) , people will pay!

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Why. Do. You. Care?

There is absolutely zero downside to you or your kid that Gallant and the USPHL have decided to go this route. NCDC v1.0 says it waters Tier 2 down. That isn't a bad thing to any dad, since if your kid has game he should be able to be more dominant.

Junior Hockey News recognizes them as Tier 2. In fact, four of the 11 NCDC teams are in their Top 20. Only five of the 23 NAHL teams are. By that standard one could very legitimately claim the NCDC has already moved ahead of the NAHL, in terms of quality of play night in and night out.

And, Elite Prospects has no problem with recognizing them as Tier 2. Because they understand it doesn't ****ing matter.

But, NCDC Sux, whether v1.0 or v2.0 knows better.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

Call it EJHL. Call it USPHL Premier. Call it NCDC. Whatever letters you give it, it's third-tier hockey. The EHL was ranked higher the last two years than the USPHL Premier, so don't even think of saying the NCDC is Tier II.

Go to an NCDC game and go to an NAHL game. The NAHL knows how to make their games real events. They make it special for the players. The USPHLNCHDDSJC or whatever is like a mite game, only with less people in the stands.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Why. Do. You. Care?

There is absolutely zero downside to you or your kid that Gallant and the USPHL have decided to go this route. NCDC v1.0 says it waters Tier 2 down. That isn't a bad thing to any dad, since if your kid has game he should be able to be more dominant.

Junior Hockey News recognizes them as Tier 2. In fact, four of the 11 NCDC teams are in their Top 20. Only five of the 23 NAHL teams are. By that standard one could very legitimately claim the NCDC has already moved ahead of the NAHL, in terms of quality of play night in and night out.

And, Elite Prospects has no problem with recognizing them as Tier 2. Because they understand it doesn't ****ing matter.

But, NCDC Sux, whether v1.0 or v2.0 knows better.


Junior Hockey News doesn't commit players. It sells advertising. Elite prospects merely repeats what it is told.

If labels don't matter, why was NCDC so hell bent on being called Tier 2?

What matters is D1 commits. Most NCDC teams don't have many, if any. Are NCDC players good and no body knows it? Is NCDC just ineffective at getting good players committed? What is the value in that?

Labels do matter. If you payed for 10 gallons of 94 octane at the gas pump only to find out later you actually got 3 gallons of 86 octane, you would be first to scream, and for good reason.





Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Why. Do. You. Care?

There is absolutely zero downside to you or your kid that Gallant and the USPHL have decided to go this route. NCDC v1.0 says it waters Tier 2 down. That isn't a bad thing to any dad, since if your kid has game he should be able to be more dominant.

Junior Hockey News recognizes them as Tier 2. In fact, four of the 11 NCDC teams are in their Top 20. Only five of the 23 NAHL teams are. By that standard one could very legitimately claim the NCDC has already moved ahead of the NAHL, in terms of quality of play night in and night out.

And, Elite Prospects has no problem with recognizing them as Tier 2. Because they understand it doesn't ****ing matter.

But, NCDC Sux, whether v1.0 or v2.0 knows better.


Junior Hockey News doesn't commit players. It sells advertising. Elite prospects merely repeats what it is told.

If labels don't matter, why was NCDC so hell bent on being called Tier 2?

What matters is D1 commits. Most NCDC teams don't have many, if any. Are NCDC players good and no body knows it? Is NCDC just ineffective at getting good players committed? What is the value in that?

Labels do matter. If you payed for 10 gallons of 94 octane at the gas pump only to find out later you actually got 3 gallons of 86 octane, you would be first to scream, and for good reason.







There are 40+ former USPHL players on Hockey East Rosters and another 5+ from the EHL. I am sure the numbers are higher in the Atlantic, ECAC, etc. Tier 3 is relevant. Go look at the top D3 teams and there are many former Tier 3 players. These are all very good hockey players. Are they as good as the majority of the kids in the USHL? No! They are certainly as good as many of the NAHL kids and kids in other similar leagues.

USA hockey calls all pay to play leagues Tier 3. Those leagues (NAHL) that are Tier 2 are structured similarly ( in many ways, mostly Free) to that of the NCDC. Because NCDC does not fall under the USA hockey umbrella, they are free to call it whatever they want. No TM on Tier 2. They are certainly not misleading anybody!! Everybody in the game knows what it is from what it ain't. Call it the Super Duper Tier 1 supreme league! Does not matter. Besides, I believe they call it "Free" not Tier 2.

At the end of the day, they are what they are. Which is pretty good. Probably gonna get better too.

Put the IHC, JR Bruins, Hitmen, SSK and some of the better teams up against the NE Generals ( Best record in the NAHL). You don"t think they would compete? Absolutely yes!

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Why. Do. You. Care?

There is absolutely zero downside to you or your kid that Gallant and the USPHL have decided to go this route. NCDC v1.0 says it waters Tier 2 down. That isn't a bad thing to any dad, since if your kid has game he should be able to be more dominant.

Junior Hockey News recognizes them as Tier 2. In fact, four of the 11 NCDC teams are in their Top 20. Only five of the 23 NAHL teams are. By that standard one could very legitimately claim the NCDC has already moved ahead of the NAHL, in terms of quality of play night in and night out.

And, Elite Prospects has no problem with recognizing them as Tier 2. Because they understand it doesn't ****ing matter.

But, NCDC Sux, whether v1.0 or v2.0 knows better.


Junior Hockey News doesn't commit players. It sells advertising. Elite prospects merely repeats what it is told.

If labels don't matter, why was NCDC so hell bent on being called Tier 2?

What matters is D1 commits. Most NCDC teams don't have many, if any. Are NCDC players good and no body knows it? Is NCDC just ineffective at getting good players committed? What is the value in that?

Labels do matter. If you payed for 10 gallons of 94 octane at the gas pump only to find out later you actually got 3 gallons of 86 octane, you would be first to scream, and for good reason.
Unless you're the one buying the gas, Why. Do. You. Care?

My kid is playing USPHL Elite. He's young, still growing. I am very happy with the program. I still think the NAHL is a superior product. But I have zero reason to hate on NCDC. May he'll play there, maybe he won't. It's nice to have a choice.

Re: NCDC vs NAHL

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What is it with these people and Tier 2 Tier 3? Who cares what tier it is. USHL is the Gold standard, now more than ever. NAHL, BCHL and a handful of other Canadian leagues are next. The USPHL top league was next before it became free. Now they have taken in a few EHL teams and the top division is free and now even better. Likely the NCDC will continue improving on prior years products. Seems like common sense. Where does it go from there? Will have to wait in see. My guess is the top 4 or 5 teams could easily compete in any league outside of USHL, will continue up, while most other teams will draft behind and slowly rise. In a few years should be pretty good / comparable to a Tier 2 League.

Most every D1 team in the northeast has a few former USPHL players on their rosters. Outside of a 6'8" third goalie the NA3HL has zero. That is 0.001. To say that NA3HL is better than USPHL /NCDC is comical and likely just coming from NCDC SUX 2.0 pot stirrer guy.



You make an excellent point.

"In a few years" maybe NCDC will be a better product. Doubtful it lasts that long because there is no real value proposition for the NCDC. But for the sake of argument, why is NCDC claiming to be tier 2 NOW?

Why doesn't NCDC wait a few years and IF, and only if, (a) it still exists; AND (b) it has genuinely improved to something comparable to tier 2, THEN, and only then, call it tier 2.

USHL is the gold standard (tier 1) and most NAHL teams (tier 2) have affiliations with USHL teams.


Why. Do. You. Care?

There is absolutely zero downside to you or your kid that Gallant and the USPHL have decided to go this route. NCDC v1.0 says it waters Tier 2 down. That isn't a bad thing to any dad, since if your kid has game he should be able to be more dominant.

Junior Hockey News recognizes them as Tier 2. In fact, four of the 11 NCDC teams are in their Top 20. Only five of the 23 NAHL teams are. By that standard one could very legitimately claim the NCDC has already moved ahead of the NAHL, in terms of quality of play night in and night out.

And, Elite Prospects has no problem with recognizing them as Tier 2. Because they understand it doesn't ****ing matter.

But, NCDC Sux, whether v1.0 or v2.0 knows better.


Junior Hockey News doesn't commit players. It sells advertising. Elite prospects merely repeats what it is told.

If labels don't matter, why was NCDC so hell bent on being called Tier 2?

What matters is D1 commits. Most NCDC teams don't have many, if any. Are NCDC players good and no body knows it? Is NCDC just ineffective at getting good players committed? What is the value in that?

Labels do matter. If you payed for 10 gallons of 94 octane at the gas pump only to find out later you actually got 3 gallons of 86 octane, you would be first to scream, and for good reason.
Unless you're the one buying the gas, Why. Do. You. Care?

My kid is playing USPHL Elite. He's young, still growing. I am very happy with the program. I still think the NAHL is a superior product. But I have zero reason to hate on NCDC. May he'll play there, maybe he won't. It's nice to have a choice.


Exactly.

"The NAHL is a superior product."

In a nutshell, that's what I'm talking about.