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Anon

Jun 27, 2018 - 3:59PM

Re: Nepotism has its limits

anon

Anon

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Yes we all know hockey, but to say it\\\'s by far the worst of any ncaa sport is ignorant. I know that\\\'s shocking for the dboard.

Ok, so what other sport is even close??? Other than having kids either repeat, PG or do a couple of years of Jr. College most sports don\'t have a league like the USHL or NAHL that don\'t affect their years of eligibility and there are no other sports other than maybe tennis that have the percentages of international students to compete with as well.

NCAA hockey is ridiculous. There is no reason why a college sport should have guys 24 or 25 playing. Graduate high school and go to college like all the other sports.

On the other end of the spectrum is basketball, where 18 year olds with zero skills beyond the dunk and pick-and-roll alley-oop are NBA stars. There's a happy medium somewhere, but each sport has its warts.

Anon

Jun 27, 2018 - 4:29PM

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NCAA Basketball has become a joke. Kids are finishing their high school requirements now a year early so they can do their "one and done" college commitment which is complete opposite of hockey.

Anon

Jun 27, 2018 - 5:05PM

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Anon

NCAA Basketball has become a joke. Kids are finishing their high school requirements now a year early so they can do their \"one and done\" college commitment which is complete opposite of hockey.

Jerry York had Noah Hanifin do that. That's why he was at BC at 17. He knew he would be "one-and-done" after he was drafted.

Eichel was given a lifetime scholarship to BU in exchange for his one-and-done at 18. He was a late birthday, though.

Anon

Jun 27, 2018 - 8:14PM

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Why other sports don't do what hockey does:

D-1 Basketball teams: 347 4,500 scholarships available
D-1 Football teams: 252 18,700 scholarships available (128 FBS--85 FULL scholarships available; 124 FCS--63 scholarships)
D-1 Baseball teams: 298 3,500 scholarships available

Almost all of the scholarships on these teams go to American kids. In order to field competitive teams these sports need to get kids into school and can't afford to push them off 2-3 years.

The reason D-1 hockey teams can make kids jump through hoops:

D-1 Hockey teams 60 1,100 scholarships (18 per team) Total number of players (@25 per team) = 1500

Canadians and Europeans make up almost 40% of the total number of players - 600

Hockey spots for Americans 900 or 225 per year

There are literally thousands of kids who are good enough to play college hockey. There just aren't the spots. So hockey schools hold all the cards and can push kids off as long as they are willing to delay their lives. Which is surprisingly long time for a lot of them. And its not going to change unless a lot more schools take up hockey.

Anon

Jun 27, 2018 - 8:51PM

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WAy off topic here boys. Question is do you think MM and TA know their kids simply shouldn’t be playing at the level that they are? Think they feel shame?

anon

Jun 27, 2018 - 11:22PM

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NCAA is about winning and making money. If your kid is good enough, he has leverage and can play at 18 with a 4/4. If he's not, he gets jerked around, pushed out and or cut to make room for next years superstar.

Welcome to life.

Moan and groan all you want about how unfair it is but all your really saying is my kids not good enough.

Anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 7:37AM

Re: Nepotism has its limits

Anon

Stupidest comment I've ever read

" There are 1000's of kids good enough to play college hockey, there just is enough spots for them"

Sorry your checkbook has no leverage anymore

Anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 7:44AM

Re: Nepotism has its limits

Anon

Why other sports don\'t do what hockey does:

D-1 Basketball teams: 347 4,500 scholarships available
D-1 Football teams: 252 18,700 scholarships available (128 FBS--85 FULL scholarships available; 124 FCS--63 scholarships)
D-1 Baseball teams: 298 3,500 scholarships available

Almost all of the scholarships on these teams go to American kids. In order to field competitive teams these sports need to get kids into school and can\'t afford to push them off 2-3 years.

The reason D-1 hockey teams can make kids jump through hoops:

D-1 Hockey teams 60 1,100 scholarships (18 per team) Total number of players (@25 per team) = 1500

Canadians and Europeans make up almost 40% of the total number of players - 600

Hockey spots for Americans 900 or 225 per year

There are literally thousands of kids who are good enough to play college hockey. There just aren\'t the spots. So hockey schools hold all the cards and can push kids off as long as they are willing to delay their lives. Which is surprisingly long time for a lot of them. And its not going to change unless a lot more schools take up hockey.

Stupidest comment I've ever read

" There are 1000's of kids good enough to play college hockey, there just is enough spots for them"

Sorry your checkbook has no leverage anymore

That may be your opinion, but the fact you couldn't even accurately type what the person said, let along realize that cutting and pasting it would make even you look less dumb, makes your statement, by default, more stupid.

Anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 8:28AM

Re: Nepotism has its limits

Anon

Why other sports don\\\'t do what hockey does:

D-1 Basketball teams: 347 4,500 scholarships available
D-1 Football teams: 252 18,700 scholarships available (128 FBS--85 FULL scholarships available; 124 FCS--63 scholarships)
D-1 Baseball teams: 298 3,500 scholarships available

Almost all of the scholarships on these teams go to American kids. In order to field competitive teams these sports need to get kids into school and can\\\'t afford to push them off 2-3 years.

The reason D-1 hockey teams can make kids jump through hoops:

D-1 Hockey teams 60 1,100 scholarships (18 per team) Total number of players (@25 per team) = 1500

Canadians and Europeans make up almost 40% of the total number of players - 600

Hockey spots for Americans 900 or 225 per year

There are literally thousands of kids who are good enough to play college hockey. There just aren\\\'t the spots. So hockey schools hold all the cards and can push kids off as long as they are willing to delay their lives. Which is surprisingly long time for a lot of them. And its not going to change unless a lot more schools take up hockey.

Stupidest comment I\'ve ever read

\" There are 1000\'s of kids good enough to play college hockey, there just is enough spots for them\"

Sorry your checkbook has no leverage anymore

Whats is accurate is that my kid is playing DI hockey, and you don't have a clue in what your talking about.

Anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 10:36AM

Re: Nepotism has its limits

Anon

Stupidest comment I've ever read

" There are 1000's of kids good enough to play college hockey, there just is enough spots for them"

Sorry your checkbook has no leverage anymore

If there were 60 more D-1 teams, there would be 1500+ more players. Teams would have no problem filling the spots. When the Original 6 doubled, the NHL found players. It would be no different.

Anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 7:58AM

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Anon

Th flaw in your math is you are centering on scholarships. Playing at D-III schools is still playing college hockey. At good academic schools, in many cases. Better than a lot of D-I schools. Not all, but many. So spare me the Harvard vs. Framingham State comparison.

I wonder, who exactly is complaining about the "system?" Kids? Not that I hear. Coaches? They may say they are just playing the game the way the system forces them to, that they wish for different rules, but in the end they get better players. Pros? They get who they want, when they want.

Ah, the parents. THAT'S who don't like it, I assume because they have to pay a little longer.

Well, I'm a parent of a HS Senior that will likely land at a D-III school after 1 - 2 years in Tier I or II Juniors, and I could't be happier for him that his hard work has led to those opportunities. And his passion for his dream has led to his gaining Honors grades. A true win/win!

anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 8:28AM

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Anon

So you are fine with your kid taking 2 years off after high school to play Tier I or Tier II Juniors to then possibly play D3 Hockey? Oooof. Why not just have the kid go to school now and play club hockey?

Anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 8:51AM

Re: Nepotism has its limits

anon

Anon

Th flaw in your math is you are centering on scholarships. Playing at D-III schools is still playing college hockey. At good academic schools, in many cases. Better than a lot of D-I schools. Not all, but many. So spare me the Harvard vs. Framingham State comparison.

I wonder, who exactly is complaining about the \"system?\" Kids? Not that I hear. Coaches? They may say they are just playing the game the way the system forces them to, that they wish for different rules, but in the end they get better players. Pros? They get who they want, when they want.

Ah, the parents. THAT\'S who don\'t like it, I assume because they have to pay a little longer.

Well, I\'m a parent of a HS Senior that will likely land at a D-III school after 1 - 2 years in Tier I or II Juniors, and I could\'t be happier for him that his hard work has led to those opportunities. And his passion for his dream has led to his gaining Honors grades. A true win/win!

Who cares? You're talking about 2 years out of his kids life. Living is about experiences, he would not have the opportunity to play Junior hockey at age 23, so he's doing it now and it's something he'd never get the chance to do again, then he goes to college. Please tell us what meaningful things you accomplished post college at age 23-24 that make going 2 years earlier so essential.

Anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 9:39AM

Re: Nepotism has its limits

anon

Anon

Th flaw in your math is you are centering on scholarships. Playing at D-III schools is still playing college hockey. At good academic schools, in many cases. Better than a lot of D-I schools. Not all, but many. So spare me the Harvard vs. Framingham State comparison.

I wonder, who exactly is complaining about the \"system?\" Kids? Not that I hear. Coaches? They may say they are just playing the game the way the system forces them to, that they wish for different rules, but in the end they get better players. Pros? They get who they want, when they want.

Ah, the parents. THAT\'S who don\'t like it, I assume because they have to pay a little longer.

Well, I\'m a parent of a HS Senior that will likely land at a D-III school after 1 - 2 years in Tier I or II Juniors, and I could\'t be happier for him that his hard work has led to those opportunities. And his passion for his dream has led to his gaining Honors grades. A true win/win!

Meaning, your kid went straight to a top D-I academic school at 18 and playing hockey?

Was he drafted in the 1st or 2nd round?

Or is he one of those 14 year old commits and you THINK he's going straight to D-I?

But, to answer your question, yes, I am fine with it. It's his life, not mine.

anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 9:57AM

Re: Nepotism has its limits

Anon

anon

Anon

Why other sports don\\\\\\\'t do what hockey does:

D-1 Basketball teams: 347 4,500 scholarships available
D-1 Football teams: 252 18,700 scholarships available (128 FBS--85 FULL scholarships available; 124 FCS--63 scholarships)
D-1 Baseball teams: 298 3,500 scholarships available

Almost all of the scholarships on these teams go to American kids. In order to field competitive teams these sports need to get kids into school and can\\\\\\\'t afford to push them off 2-3 years.

The reason D-1 hockey teams can make kids jump through hoops:

D-1 Hockey teams 60 1,100 scholarships (18 per team) Total number of players (@25 per team) = 1500

Canadians and Europeans make up almost 40% of the total number of players - 600

Hockey spots for Americans 900 or 225 per year

There are literally thousands of kids who are good enough to play college hockey. There just aren\\\\\\\'t the spots. So hockey schools hold all the cards and can push kids off as long as they are willing to delay their lives. Which is surprisingly long time for a lot of them. And its not going to change unless a lot more schools take up hockey.

Th flaw in your math is you are centering on scholarships. Playing at D-III schools is still playing college hockey. At good academic schools, in many cases. Better than a lot of D-I schools. Not all, but many. So spare me the Harvard vs. Framingham State comparison.

I wonder, who exactly is complaining about the \\\"system?\\\" Kids? Not that I hear. Coaches? They may say they are just playing the game the way the system forces them to, that they wish for different rules, but in the end they get better players. Pros? They get who they want, when they want.

Ah, the parents. THAT\\\'S who don\\\'t like it, I assume because they have to pay a little longer.

Well, I\\\'m a parent of a HS Senior that will likely land at a D-III school after 1 - 2 years in Tier I or II Juniors, and I could\\\'t be happier for him that his hard work has led to those opportunities. And his passion for his dream has led to his gaining Honors grades. A true win/win!

Not at all - its about being realistic. If your kid has a chance at playing D3 and you want to spend $20,000 for him playing two season for a Tier 1 team attempting just to make a D3 team where he gets zero $$$ then by all means go for it. Kid is better off going to college, graduating and getting into the workforce two years earlier...but spending your $20K, travelling on buses and getting a drinking problem are probably the better choice.

Anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 10:09AM

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anon

Ah. Now I understand. So, you don't know anything about American Juniors, do you?

anon

Jun 29, 2018 - 7:46AM

Re: Nepotism has its limits

anon

Anon

anon

Anon

Why other sports don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t do what hockey does:

D-1 Basketball teams: 347 4,500 scholarships available
D-1 Football teams: 252 18,700 scholarships available (128 FBS--85 FULL scholarships available; 124 FCS--63 scholarships)
D-1 Baseball teams: 298 3,500 scholarships available

Almost all of the scholarships on these teams go to American kids. In order to field competitive teams these sports need to get kids into school and can\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t afford to push them off 2-3 years.

The reason D-1 hockey teams can make kids jump through hoops:

D-1 Hockey teams 60 1,100 scholarships (18 per team) Total number of players (@25 per team) = 1500

Canadians and Europeans make up almost 40% of the total number of players - 600

Hockey spots for Americans 900 or 225 per year

There are literally thousands of kids who are good enough to play college hockey. There just aren\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t the spots. So hockey schools hold all the cards and can push kids off as long as they are willing to delay their lives. Which is surprisingly long time for a lot of them. And its not going to change unless a lot more schools take up hockey.

Th flaw in your math is you are centering on scholarships. Playing at D-III schools is still playing college hockey. At good academic schools, in many cases. Better than a lot of D-I schools. Not all, but many. So spare me the Harvard vs. Framingham State comparison.

I wonder, who exactly is complaining about the \\\\\\\"system?\\\\\\\" Kids? Not that I hear. Coaches? They may say they are just playing the game the way the system forces them to, that they wish for different rules, but in the end they get better players. Pros? They get who they want, when they want.

Ah, the parents. THAT\\\\\\\'S who don\\\\\\\'t like it, I assume because they have to pay a little longer.

Well, I\\\\\\\'m a parent of a HS Senior that will likely land at a D-III school after 1 - 2 years in Tier I or II Juniors, and I could\\\\\\\'t be happier for him that his hard work has led to those opportunities. And his passion for his dream has led to his gaining Honors grades. A true win/win!

Meaning, your kid went straight to a top D-I academic school at 18 and playing hockey?

Was he drafted in the 1st or 2nd round?

Or is he one of those 14 year old commits and you THINK he\'s going straight to D-I?

But, to answer your question, yes, I am fine with it. It\'s his life, not mine.

Yeah my son played Tier 2 Juniors last year at a cost of hmmmm, let me see, $0

Not quite sure where the $20,000 figure comes from

Anon

Jun 29, 2018 - 8:11AM

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anon

Anon

anon

Anon

Why other sports don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t do what hockey does:

D-1 Basketball teams: 347 4,500 scholarships available
D-1 Football teams: 252 18,700 scholarships available (128 FBS--85 FULL scholarships available; 124 FCS--63 scholarships)
D-1 Baseball teams: 298 3,500 scholarships available

Almost all of the scholarships on these teams go to American kids. In order to field competitive teams these sports need to get kids into school and can\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t afford to push them off 2-3 years.

The reason D-1 hockey teams can make kids jump through hoops:

D-1 Hockey teams 60 1,100 scholarships (18 per team) Total number of players (@25 per team) = 1500

Canadians and Europeans make up almost 40% of the total number of players - 600

Hockey spots for Americans 900 or 225 per year

There are literally thousands of kids who are good enough to play college hockey. There just aren\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t the spots. So hockey schools hold all the cards and can push kids off as long as they are willing to delay their lives. Which is surprisingly long time for a lot of them. And its not going to change unless a lot more schools take up hockey.

Th flaw in your math is you are centering on scholarships. Playing at D-III schools is still playing college hockey. At good academic schools, in many cases. Better than a lot of D-I schools. Not all, but many. So spare me the Harvard vs. Framingham State comparison.

I wonder, who exactly is complaining about the \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"system?\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" Kids? Not that I hear. Coaches? They may say they are just playing the game the way the system forces them to, that they wish for different rules, but in the end they get better players. Pros? They get who they want, when they want.

Ah, the parents. THAT\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'S who don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t like it, I assume because they have to pay a little longer.

Well, I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'m a parent of a HS Senior that will likely land at a D-III school after 1 - 2 years in Tier I or II Juniors, and I could\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t be happier for him that his hard work has led to those opportunities. And his passion for his dream has led to his gaining Honors grades. A true win/win!

Meaning, your kid went straight to a top D-I academic school at 18 and playing hockey?

Was he drafted in the 1st or 2nd round?

Or is he one of those 14 year old commits and you THINK he\\\'s going straight to D-I?

But, to answer your question, yes, I am fine with it. It\\\'s his life, not mine.

Not at all - its about being realistic. If your kid has a chance at playing D3 and you want to spend \$20,000 for him playing two season for a Tier 1 team attempting just to make a D3 team where he gets zero \$\$\$ then by all means go for it. Kid is better off going to college, graduating and getting into the workforce two years earlier...but spending your \$20K, travelling on buses and getting a drinking problem are probably the better choice.

Yeah my son played Tier 2 Juniors last year at a cost of hmmmm, let me see, $0

Not quite sure where the $20,000 figure comes from

It's one of those cases where a D Boarder is pretending to know more than they do.

I didn't bother arguing numbers with the guy,m because you could construct a "cost" that involves multiple trips to see the kid play, trips home during breaks in the schedule, etc. But you and I both know the $20K was for two years of pay-to-play Juniors, which of course Tier I and II aren't.

Anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 10:48AM

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Anon

The math applies for D-3 too. 82 D-3 schools play hockey. There's 442 D-3 schools that play all the other sports. Of the D-3 schools that play hockey, I might consider 15 to be "good academic schools".

Of course its parents complaining about the system. They see their kids getting strung along in hopes of some elusive "dream" (to play hockey at Fitchburg State???). Of course parents shoulder most of the blame too--if they had the stones to tell little Johnny his hockey career is done it would change the landscape completely.

anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 11:39AM

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The whining from hockey parents about how you can no longer control the outcome for your kids is so amusing.

anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 11:51AM

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anon

The whining from hockey parents about how you can no longer control the outcome for your kids is so amusing.

You mean like this dillusional parent:

"Well, I'm a parent of a HS Senior that will likely land at a D-III school after 1 - 2 years in Tier I or II Juniors, and I could't be happier for him that his hard work has led to those opportunities. And his passion for his dream has led to his gaining Honors grades. A true win/win!"....

If he is a high school senior and will need 1-2 years of juniors to maybe land at a D3 school the writing is on the wall. Save your $$$ instead of paying for juniors and put that in the education fund. Have your kid go to the best school he can and play club hockey.

Anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 12:21PM

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anon

The whining from hockey parents about how you can no longer control the outcome for your kids is so amusing.

You mean like this dillusional parent:

"Well, I\'m a parent of a HS Senior that will likely land at a D-III school after 1 - 2 years in Tier I or II Juniors, and I could\'t be happier for him that his hard work has led to those opportunities. And his passion for his dream has led to his gaining Honors grades. A true win/win!"....

If he is a high school senior and will need 1-2 years of juniors to maybe land at a D3 school the writing is on the wall. Save your $$$ instead of paying for juniors and put that in the education fund. Have your kid go to the best school he can and play club hockey.

Once again, you're demonstrating your ignorance about how American Juniors works. Now, you're showing you know little about how college hockey works, too.

And, we can add personal finance to that. If you're still putting considerable money away when your kid is a Senior, you're gonna be short. You had 18 years.

Anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 12:42PM

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Anon

anon

The whining from hockey parents about how you can no longer control the outcome for your kids is so amusing.

You mean like this dillusional parent:

\"Well, I\\\'m a parent of a HS Senior that will likely land at a D-III school after 1 - 2 years in Tier I or II Juniors, and I could\\\'t be happier for him that his hard work has led to those opportunities. And his passion for his dream has led to his gaining Honors grades. A true win/win!\"....

If he is a high school senior and will need 1-2 years of juniors to maybe land at a D3 school the writing is on the wall. Save your \$\$\$ instead of paying for juniors and put that in the education fund. Have your kid go to the best school he can and play club hockey.

My guess is the guy understands quite well how American juniors works for a kid who is grinding to make D-3. Its unlikely that they would be playing in the USHL or even the NAHL so they would, in all likelihood, be shelling out a lot of money. With D-3 giving no scholarship $$ all playing hockey does is help get you in. And if your kid needs help getting in to most D-3 schools he's spent way too much time playing hockey and should probably reconsider whether he's really cut out for college anyhow.

anon

Jun 28, 2018 - 12:49PM

Re: Nepotism has its limits

Anon

anon

The whining from hockey parents about how you can no longer control the outcome for your kids is so amusing.

You mean like this dillusional parent:

\\\"Well, I\\\\\\\'m a parent of a HS Senior that will likely land at a D-III school after 1 - 2 years in Tier I or II Juniors, and I could\\\\\\\'t be happier for him that his hard work has led to those opportunities. And his passion for his dream has led to his gaining Honors grades. A true win/win!\\\"....

If he is a high school senior and will need 1-2 years of juniors to maybe land at a D3 school the writing is on the wall. Save your \\\$\\\$\\\$ instead of paying for juniors and put that in the education fund. Have your kid go to the best school he can and play club hockey.

Once again, you\'re demonstrating your ignorance about how American Juniors works. Now, you\'re showing you know little about how college hockey works, too.

And, we can add personal finance to that. If you\'re still putting considerable money away when your kid is a Senior, you\'re gonna be short. You had 18 years.

BINGO. There are kids playing in the USHL/NAHL that will be playing D3. If your kid was on the D3 top school radar at this point you would know and so would he. You are falling prey to the American Jr. Hockey "if you play for 2 years and spend $20,000 with us you will move onto college" which is an absolute deception on their part. If your kid is playing HS hockey as senior (unless at a top prep) he isnt playing D3 college hockey. Just the reality of it. This isnt 25 years ago when kids could walk on.

Anon

Jun 29, 2018 - 8:40AM

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So your saying that a kid who has played HS hockey as a senior in Massachusetts has absolutely no chance to play D3 hockey-i can think of a number of examples the last 5-7 years that would refute your claim, including a number from the town that I live in which plays D2 HS (had been D3).

anon

Jul 9, 2018 - 12:14PM

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Anon

A kid who has played HS hockey as a senior in Massachusetts has absolutely every chance to play D3 hockey in college. Go and look at the top 8-10 D-1 high school teams and every team has at least 4-5 kids who can play D-3 college hockey at least. The difference is many don't want to go through with it. My son's team has had a few every year provided they go a year of juniors or a PG year but many opt to go to better schools and play D-1 or D-3 club hockey. I don't know but I've seen more than a few D-3 college games and to tell you the truth, it isn't 'all that.' To think it is a reach is completely a laugh.

anon

Jun 27, 2018 - 3:18PM

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I can't think of any other NCAA sport that routinely shelves players (go play juniors for a few) without burning eligibility the way hockey does. The only applicable example in other sports that I can quickly think of is JUCO for football, baseball, hockey and unless the rules have changed (which is always possible) the time a player is enrolled in JUCO starts his 5 year clock ticking. So at least in that regards, hockey is the worst.

anon

Jun 27, 2018 - 5:05PM

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Make commitments binding from both sides and put an upper age limit as to what a 4th year player can play at in college (23?). Away with the 13 year old 'commits' long before anyone knows if they can play, away with the repeat kids doing two years of juniors and showing up on campus as a bearded 21 year old, enough of 'committing' when it means nothing, away with spots being pulled at the last minute because a team over committed to kids...you sign them and you're on the hook for at least X% of 4 years of college...

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