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Best Combination

Which New England Prep school would have the nest combination of academics and ice hockey erring on the side of academics. And by hockey I mean not just win/loss but development, hockey "culture", exposure/opportunity etc. F

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You're combining things that don't combine. Coaches at the programs that get the best exposure don't see development as their responsibility. Coaches that develop players tend to not get as much exposure. And most of the hockey players at top academic Preps take watered down classes.

You have to decide what's important, and prioritize that.

If your kid is a good enough student AND athlete to be able to choose. Most, candidly, aren't, except in their parents' eyes.

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Certainly one could argue, for example, that Yale University is top notch academics and (usually) top notch hockey (2013 National Champions). Lets say on a scale from 1-10 for both hockey and academics, Salisbury gets a 10 for hockey and Exter gets a 10 for academics. Are there any schools that would come close to 20?

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Randy Watson
Certainly one could argue, for example, that Yale University is top notch academics and (usually) top notch hockey (2013 National Champions). Lets say on a scale from 1-10 for both hockey and academics, Salisbury gets a 10 for hockey and Exter gets a 10 for academics. Are there any schools that would come close to 20?
Randy, your point fails because you assume that the athletes at a particular school are also the scholars. that is far from reality. one only has to watch the up coming march madness and wonder how these players can keep up with a true rigorous class schedule: including exams, papers, quizzes and classroom discussion while on the road, playing, attending team meetings and the like.

a scholar does not become so by doing an hour or two of homework a night, similarly a hockey player can't develop an hour or two a day: there are not enough hours and even if you can find the time then you have to deal with burnout.

you are looking for two 10's but the truth is you can only have 10 (100%). how you allocate is your choice understanding your child will reallocate, at some point.

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For most prep schools, the strength of hockey varies from year to year whereas academics more consistent. What we could do is to pick out the top 10-15 schools by academics first, then compare in hockey. Exeter, Loomis, Milton ?

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It's more about what you kid puts into it. You can excel or coast at any school. What's considered "Top" are simply subjective lists for elitist parents to brag about.

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Look at the history of the elite 8, big and small 8 brackets and cross compare the schools with matriculations, d1/3 commits, and any other reference point that fires your kid up...there is your answer.

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I'd start with Pomfret then probably look at a place like Holderness, maybe Albany Academy and Loomis. All in the running .

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Randy Watson
Which New England Prep school would have the nest combination of academics and ice hockey erring on the side of academics. And by hockey I mean not just win/loss but development, hockey "culture", exposure/opportunity etc. F
This is funny. Hockey is a sport and Prep School is academia. Am I missing something? I didn’t put my kid in hockey searching for an education.

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Anon
Randy Watson
Which New England Prep school would have the nest combination of academics and ice hockey erring on the side of academics. And by hockey I mean not just win/loss but development, hockey "culture", exposure/opportunity etc. F
This is funny. Hockey is a sport and Prep School is academia. Am I missing something? I didn’t put my kid in hockey searching for an education.
What are you ignorant? Plenty of people use Hockey to get an education, that's the whole premise dip sh_t

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Poor Randy. He can’t believe all the money he throws at his kid is not fixing his hockey problem. He doesn’t understand that his kid is still just a ****y hockey player. Keep throwing money at the problem Randy. Hahahaha.

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Anon
Anon
Randy Watson
Which New England Prep school would have the nest combination of academics and ice hockey erring on the side of academics. And by hockey I mean not just win/loss but development, hockey \"culture\", exposure/opportunity etc. F
This is funny. Hockey is a sport and Prep School is academia. Am I missing something? I didn’t put my kid in hockey searching for an education.
What are you ignorant? Plenty of people use Hockey to get an education, that's the whole premise dip sh_t
Therein lies the REAL problem. Parents see sports as a short-cut path to a good education.

In this era, every kid can get a good education without sports. College is no longer just for the elite, as it was 100 years ago. They may have to earn it by putting their nose in a book, not a puck in the net.

Most parents aren't willing to raise their kids to that. And they're DEFINITELY not willing to pay for it, if they can avoid it.

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So you don't believe that smart athletes don't exist? Probably because you have never met one. MIT has students that were nationally ranked runners who also happen to be brilliant. Stanford is full of Division One athletes that were Valedictorians at their high school. These people exist.

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Randy Watson
So you don\'t believe that smart athletes don\'t exist? Probably because you have never met one. MIT has students that were nationally ranked runners who also happen to be brilliant. Stanford is full of Division One athletes that were Valedictorians at their high school. These people exist.
I didn't say that. I said that parents see athletics as a shortcut. My kid is a Prep honors student, and in the vast minority on his team. As a result, his merit scholarships are greater than most of his teammates' academic scholarships - if they got one. And, he will be playing college hockey, most of them will not.

Note to parents: tell your kid to hit the books, not the top shelf. It will serve them better in the long run.

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Anon
Randy Watson
So you don\\\'t believe that smart athletes don\\\'t exist? Probably because you have never met one. MIT has students that were nationally ranked runners who also happen to be brilliant. Stanford is full of Division One athletes that were Valedictorians at their high school. These people exist.
I didn't say that. I said that parents see athletics as a shortcut. My kid is a Prep honors student, and in the vast minority on his team. As a result, his merit scholarships are greater than most of his teammates' academic scholarships - if they got one. And, he will be playing college hockey, most of them will not.

Note to parents: tell your kid to hit the books, not the top shelf. It will serve them better in the long run.
And therein lies the problem with college hockey. Especially in the NorthEast. The best are not chosen for the sport. The rich and the entitled are chosen by the sport to advance. In addition, you are discussing academia on a hockey board. This region of the US is all about entitlement. I bet the recent college scam runs deep in the NorthEast for college hockey.

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I think you are getting off track of the question. The question was where would you say is the best combination of academics and hockey. I was very impressed by Groton, Loomis, Deerfield and Berkshire. All of those schools are considered "reach" schools by most as you have to be more than just a hockey player (most not all). I think if you have a kids that is not the best student a place like Winchendon might make a lot of sense. If you have a kid that is a fairly good student and and a fairly good hockey player I think your best bet are the smaller schools Holderness, Tilton, and the like. There are so many options, but the the hard to get into schools are that way for a reason. They provide a lot of both.

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Randy Watson
So you don\\\\\\'t believe that smart athletes don\\\\\\'t exist? Probably because you have never met one. MIT has students that were nationally ranked runners who also happen to be brilliant. Stanford is full of Division One athletes that were Valedictorians at their high school. These people exist.
I didn't say that. I said that parents see athletics as a shortcut. My kid is a Prep honors student, and in the vast minority on his team. As a result, his merit scholarships are greater than most of his teammates' academic scholarships - if they got one. And, he will be playing college hockey, most of them will not.

Note to parents: tell your kid to hit the books, not the top shelf. It will serve them better in the long run.
And therein lies the problem with college hockey. Especially in the NorthEast. The best are not chosen for the sport. The rich and the entitled are chosen by the sport to advance. In addition, you are discussing academia on a hockey board. This region of the US is all about entitlement. I bet the recent college scam runs deep in the NorthEast for college hockey.
Wow sorry your kid got cut.

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Randy Watson
So you don\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t believe that smart athletes don\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t exist? Probably because you have never met one. MIT has students that were nationally ranked runners who also happen to be brilliant. Stanford is full of Division One athletes that were Valedictorians at their high school. These people exist.
I didn\'t say that. I said that parents see athletics as a shortcut. My kid is a Prep honors student, and in the vast minority on his team. As a result, his merit scholarships are greater than most of his teammates\' academic scholarships - if they got one. And, he will be playing college hockey, most of them will not.

Note to parents: tell your kid to hit the books, not the top shelf. It will serve them better in the long run.
And therein lies the problem with college hockey. Especially in the NorthEast. The best are not chosen for the sport. The rich and the entitled are chosen by the sport to advance. In addition, you are discussing academia on a hockey board. This region of the US is all about entitlement. I bet the recent college scam runs deep in the NorthEast for college hockey.
Wow sorry your kid got cut.
Sorry you are too dumb to figure it out.

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Randy Watson
So you don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t believe that smart athletes don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t exist? Probably because you have never met one. MIT has students that were nationally ranked runners who also happen to be brilliant. Stanford is full of Division One athletes that were Valedictorians at their high school. These people exist.
I didn\\\'t say that. I said that parents see athletics as a shortcut. My kid is a Prep honors student, and in the vast minority on his team. As a result, his merit scholarships are greater than most of his teammates\\\' academic scholarships - if they got one. And, he will be playing college hockey, most of them will not.

Note to parents: tell your kid to hit the books, not the top shelf. It will serve them better in the long run.
And therein lies the problem with college hockey. Especially in the NorthEast. The best are not chosen for the sport. The rich and the entitled are chosen by the sport to advance. In addition, you are discussing academia on a hockey board. This region of the US is all about entitlement. I bet the recent college scam runs deep in the NorthEast for college hockey.
Wow sorry your kid got cut.
Sorry you are too dumb to figure it out.
Someone call the wambulance for this guy. His kid didn't get the the spot he deserved.:sob:

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Randy Watson
So you don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t believe that smart athletes don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t exist? Probably because you have never met one. MIT has students that were nationally ranked runners who also happen to be brilliant. Stanford is full of Division One athletes that were Valedictorians at their high school. These people exist.
I didn\\\\\\\'t say that. I said that parents see athletics as a shortcut. My kid is a Prep honors student, and in the vast minority on his team. As a result, his merit scholarships are greater than most of his teammates\\\\\\\' academic scholarships - if they got one. And, he will be playing college hockey, most of them will not.

Note to parents: tell your kid to hit the books, not the top shelf. It will serve them better in the long run.
And therein lies the problem with college hockey. Especially in the NorthEast. The best are not chosen for the sport. The rich and the entitled are chosen by the sport to advance. In addition, you are discussing academia on a hockey board. This region of the US is all about entitlement. I bet the recent college scam runs deep in the NorthEast for college hockey.
Wow sorry your kid got cut.
Sorry you are too dumb to figure it out.
Someone call the wambulance for this guy. His kid didn't get the the spot he deserved.:sob:
Ahhh. What’s the matter? Did I hurt your feelings. Poor baby doesn’t like people talking about his precious Prep School this way.