I don't think that was in the cards. These teams already charge at the upper limit of the possible pricing range in order to maximize profits so there isn't a whole lot of wiggle room for moving prices up - if they could, they would have done it already.

The issue may be the potential sponsorship money for the league coming from the NHL and they have no interest in watering down the USHL by pulling kids away from it. It's a viable league that fills the rinks and develops players. Furthermore there is no chance USA Hockey is interested in spending money on a money losing league when they love nothing more than being fat and happy, draining cash out of the system to fund the national program and line their pockets.

You are right that they most programs are at the upper limit of what they can charge, all things being equal but introducing a Tier-II junior option has the potential to change the dynamics of the pricing model. Let's say the Islanders raise tuition by $150 per player but promote Tier-II to the youth parents with a promise of "we expect to field a number of our players through our own development program", as a youth parent would you leave? You might but I'm pretty certain most won't. Now $150 doesn't seem like it would have much of an impact but if they field the maximum number of teams Mite-PW, that would yield them an extra $67,000 plus a year to defray the Tier-II costs.

I don't think they are looking for USA Hockey or the NHL to sponsor the league. My guess is that they wanted to go this route so they could point to more kids going D-1, etc. which might draw more youth players into their program and grow their profits.

Certainly just my opinion, but I think this is a nightmare situation for USA hockey and I think they may have made a mistake.

Assuming this works, and it may not, this will certainly hurt both the NAHL and the USHL. USA hockey had the opportunity to work with the USPHL and who knows down the road, combine the NA with the USPHL. The USPHL is probably going to go off the grid and possibly go AAU. If they do that, they could roll the youth teams in as well and now USA hockey, in the east at least, is on the decline. The USPHL is not only here in the east, they go all the way to Florida and now teams in the mid west. USA hockey certainly doesn't want to lose all those kids to AAU.

This does offer kids with D1 offers in the east an opportunity to stay here and I would be willing to bet, most Hockey East coaches would prefer to have them stay here. This way they can monitor their picks easier and it could cut down on expenses for travel. Also, if you are a kid out west and have a desire to come here to play college hockey at the D1 level, this now becomes a better option then it already is.

As far as the cost, don't know how much of a fan draw this could be with all the options out here. They are definitely rolling the dice on that. However, if they did raise costs of other teams by $100 per player, I don't think that would make people run and go to another league. Now they already are the top Jr league in the east, they can probably go after some bigger

Time will tell...

they can offer whatever they want, free tuition, raise prices to the youth programs, whatever. It still doesn't have the Tier II designation from USA Hockey. A pig with lipstick, is still a pig

And what exactly does that mean??? Do you think the average person cares if its USA hockey, AAU, or Joe Smiths hockey league?? If its free and the competition is good does it matter if USA hockey gave its blessing? I don't think so.

The competition level is already close if not even with the NA. I don't have the numbers but I bet they have as many D1 commits as the NA on a per team basis. Obviously the NA has more teams so the overall number is bigger but per team its close.

Trust me, not a big fan of most of the guys in the USPHL, think there are a lot of ego's that get in the way, but you have to admit they have done a good job.

Like I said, time will tell.

the vast majority of DI commits that play in the USPHL, already commit before they play there, they just don't wan't to go out to the USHL. The vast majority of players who commit while playing USPHL, are going D3.

Don't really disagree with you but that could change. With it being free to play now, you could get more D1 level kids without commitments to come out this way.

why the competition won't change? Top players will go to the leagues with top competition

First off the competition is already pretty good. Very comparable to the NA and better than anything else around here.

If you had a kid that wanted to play D1 here in the east, where would you want him to go, the Islanders or Amarillo?? I think it is kind of a no brainer. The competition will get better when you can offer a free tuition program.

You are right, the competition in the USHL is clearly better, deeper, but this now becomes a viable option to stay here and play or for kids to come here from the west.

Just my opinion but this is not the old EJ or the current USPHL, this changes the landscape of Jr hockey.

Again, time will tell but in my opinion this league will be stronger than it is.

I would agree that the top couple of teams in the USPHL would beat the bottom dwellers in the NAHL, but overall the NAHL is much better. There is a player on IHC, 2nd leading scorer in the USPHL, the previous year he was in the USHL, and had only 15 points the whole season. if you take a look at what his stats were in the USPHL the previous year and this year, wrapped around his USHL season. You will see the point discrepancy, overall the USPHL like the EHL is very week when you compare to USHL & NAHL

You got that right.

Same with the USHL. Most of the younger players are already commited. It is because their future college has influence with the league's executive. Typically when things don't work out they come back east. Hopefully with the new league, many of these players stay from the start.

But this is exactly what USAH does to fund USNTDP. Not a fan of USPHL but to say you can't fund via a tax on others when that's how USA hockey does it is so hypocritical. That's what you get when you have a monopoly. Not accountable to anyone so do as I say, not as I do.

Great point. Qualifies as a Felger and Mazz Hot Take.

So what is going to happen mid season when most of these teams can't stay afloat? Look at the participants. There's three or four programs that have enough beef to their youth programs to fund this. The programs like the bandits have no chance.

If you build it, they will come! Youth programs will be funding this venture from the get go. Will have to see if sustainable but will definitely be fine first year.