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Re: BU and BC winless

OW committed to BC this year and he only has 1 goal. It just shows that college hockey is tough and true freshmen like OW and JW get a lot of ice time and they will do well as the season progresses. Also agree that other programs have done a great job. NL at Prov has done a great job and AOC will have some growing pains at BU. BU is a very young team with only 2 seniors, plus keep in mind they lost a couple key guys to the NHL while BC returned their entire team. Its still early in the season, but will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Re: BU and BC winless

Friends and family hurting both of them....both have alums kids that don’t belong.

B.C. needs a change at helm.....

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Wait? What? What’s wrong with true freshman (like just about every other student and athletes in college) ? Most 21 year olds are graduating or close to it and the hockey players are freshman at 21, seems very unnatural!

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The change to 21 year old freshmen and 24-25 year old seniors has taken the fun out of watching college hockey. It's just another professional minor league.

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AOC was BU's chief recruiter. His team are his kids. He knows what he has, they will come around. Both BC & BU were hurt by recruiting too well and in past years loosing too many players to the NHL.
And I agree with the concept of playing true freshmen, or maybe one year of juniors. The idea of 21 year old freshmen is crazy.

Re: BU and BC winless

Anon
Wait? What? What’s wrong with true freshman (like just about every other student and athletes in college) ? Most 21 year olds are graduating or close to it and the hockey players are freshman at 21, seems very unnatural!
Funny, I don't recall anyone saying there was anything wrong with it. It's just contrary to what the "system" allows coaches to do. 18 year old males are not as strong as even they will be at 21 or 24. Fact.

Re: BU and BC winless

Anon
Friends and family hurting both of them....both have alums kids that don’t belong.

B.C. needs a change at helm.....
This is THE story. Look at the BC roster and look who the parents are, where they played, where in hockey they work today or in the recent past...who they are related to. A hockey tradition unlike any other.

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Probably quite a bit of truth to what you are saying but I wouldn't underestimate the loss of GB from the coaching staff in this equation.

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JW sucks....over-rated.

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anon
JW sucks....over-rated.
Trashing a kid at 11:48 on a Sat night means you were out drinking again. Kid is a good player just as OW, JF and a few of the other true freshmen are. Nice to see both teams get wins last night. AOC was a great recruiter, he needs time to figure out how to transition to a head coach. He is not Quinny and the return players are sure missing him. This post was not to trash kids, but all you jealous morons love doing that. Hockey east is changing and there are some good teams coming around now (UMass). Best of luck to all.

Re: BU and BC winless

BC alum
anon
JW sucks....over-rated.
Trashing a kid at 11:48 on a Sat night means you were out drinking again. Kid is a good player just as OW, JF and a few of the other true freshmen are. Nice to see both teams get wins last night. AOC was a great recruiter, he needs time to figure out how to transition to a head coach. He is not Quinny and the return players are sure missing him. This post was not to trash kids, but all you jealous morons love doing that. Hockey east is changing and there are some good teams coming around now (UMass). Best of luck to all.
Thanks JW dad. What are you going to do if he doesn’t play a game in the show.. you are freaking out now because he isn’t getting invited to WJC this year. Some one go get him off the Tobin

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Never understood the love he got. Play against a public high school a few years back and you wouldn't even know at the time he was this sought after kid. And it's not like forwards are late bloomers like Dmen. Always wondered what I missed but now the rest of hockey is wondering what they missed. It's good to be early & right.

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anon
Never understood the love he got. Play against a public high school a few years back and you wouldn't even know at the time he was this sought after kid. And it's not like forwards are late bloomers like Dmen. Always wondered what I missed but now the rest of hockey is wondering what they missed. It's good to be early & right.
No horse in the race here but....Time will tell if you were "right". At 15 years old sometimes the stud player will not seem to stand out and that's because he has nobody at his level on his team. Then again he could have not played at 100% the one game you saw. Slow start in Hockey East to be sure but it's a marathon not a sprint.

Re: BU and BC winless

BC alum
anon
JW sucks....over-rated.
Trashing a kid at 11:48 on a Sat night means you were out drinking again. Kid is a good player just as OW, JF and a few of the other true freshmen are. Nice to see both teams get wins last night. AOC was a great recruiter, he needs time to figure out how to transition to a head coach. He is not Quinny and the return players are sure missing him. This post was not to trash kids, but all you jealous morons love doing that. Hockey east is changing and there are some good teams coming around now (UMass). Best of luck to all.
No doubt BU and BC will be just fine. Hockey east does have some good teams coming around and things are looking up for UMass. Unfortunately Merrimack lost a great coach in MD and sounds like there's not many fans of the new coach. Certainly hurt to lose Notre Dame and will be interesting to see who they replace them with.

Re: BU and BC winless

Anon
BC alum
anon
JW sucks....over-rated.
Trashing a kid at 11:48 on a Sat night means you were out drinking again. Kid is a good player just as OW, JF and a few of the other true freshmen are. Nice to see both teams get wins last night. AOC was a great recruiter, he needs time to figure out how to transition to a head coach. He is not Quinny and the return players are sure missing him. This post was not to trash kids, but all you jealous morons love doing that. Hockey east is changing and there are some good teams coming around now (UMass). Best of luck to all.
No doubt BU and BC will be just fine. Hockey east does have some good teams coming around and things are looking up for UMass. Unfortunately Merrimack lost a great coach in MD and sounds like there's not many fans of the new coach. Certainly hurt to lose Notre Dame and will be interesting to see who they replace them with.
providence players and recruits are celebrating the fact that SB is gone. Sounds like Merrimack is the unlucky team here.

Re: BU and BC winless

anon
Anon
BC alum
anon
JW sucks....over-rated.
Trashing a kid at 11:48 on a Sat night means you were out drinking again. Kid is a good player just as OW, JF and a few of the other true freshmen are. Nice to see both teams get wins last night. AOC was a great recruiter, he needs time to figure out how to transition to a head coach. He is not Quinny and the return players are sure missing him. This post was not to trash kids, but all you jealous morons love doing that. Hockey east is changing and there are some good teams coming around now (UMass). Best of luck to all.
No doubt BU and BC will be just fine. Hockey east does have some good teams coming around and things are looking up for UMass. Unfortunately Merrimack lost a great coach in MD and sounds like there\'s not many fans of the new coach. Certainly hurt to lose Notre Dame and will be interesting to see who they replace them with.
providence players and recruits are celebrating the fact that SB is gone. Sounds like Merrimack is the unlucky team here.
That's 100% inaccurate.

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Providence is the beast of the east until Leeman moves on. They are loaded.

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AAA
Providence is the beast of the east until Leeman moves on. They are loaded.
Big home and home series with UMass tonight & Saturday. UMass is tough at home with the big ice there, I suspect a split this weekend.

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Anon
Recruiting. It all comes down to recruiting. Over the past few years players have realized there are other viable options that really want them.
Nothing better then attending a school that truly wants you.
Yup

Re: BU and BC winless

Anon
Anon
Recruiting. It all comes down to recruiting. Over the past few years players have realized there are other viable options that really want them.
Nothing better then attending a school that truly wants you.
Yup
It comes down to recruiting players that will make up a strong TEAM. BU and BC have focused on NTDP players--they each have more than any other college hockey team. Problem is those kids come in younger, are less likely to stay, and dont tend to do the gritty things necessary to win. Both of their coaches might want to rewatch "Miracle" then think about doing what Herb Brooks did, recruit a real team with players who fill roles rather than just rely on superstars. Of course Herb Brooks way takes a lot more work than just running your finger down the NTDP roster.

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Recruiting takes more work than assembling the college version of the 'friends & family plan.' Sad what BC has become. A pile of undersized legacy kids. It's time to move on from that lazy model.

Re: BU and BC winless

Anon
Anon
Anon
Recruiting. It all comes down to recruiting. Over the past few years players have realized there are other viable options that really want them.
Nothing better then attending a school that truly wants you.
Yup
It comes down to recruiting players that will make up a strong TEAM. BU and BC have focused on NTDP players--they each have more than any other college hockey team. Problem is those kids come in younger, are less likely to stay, and dont tend to do the gritty things necessary to win. Both of their coaches might want to rewatch "Miracle" then think about doing what Herb Brooks did, recruit a real team with players who fill roles rather than just rely on superstars. Of course Herb Brooks way takes a lot more work than just running your finger down the NTDP roster.
So true. Look at what umass lowell did a few years ago with an older seasoned team. Much more parody in college hockey these days. Same with d3's better teams

Re: BU and BC winless

Lost to Bentley today. Lost a recruit last week, Wahlstrom thinking of heading back to USHL or OHL.

York old and tired, daddy coach on bench. Not the recipe for success.

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Bottom line, AOC is not ready to be a head coach and JY needs to prob retire. Other HE schools are doing a great job. AOC has changed lines every single game that I have watched and looking at the line chart. Went to both BU/BC games this past weekend and all the freshman that played belonged on the ice. You people can sit at your computers and be as jealous as you want, its a long 4 years and I am sure they all will be just fine. OW may move on, but that's his choice, the kid kid is still a 1st round pick and hell of a player. Look at Prov, they also have a 1st rounder with 1 point. There have been plenty of great pros that did not have great freshman years, its a big transition. IMO BU will probably struggle more as AOC is over his heard and PP will probably get more involved as he has more experience. Everyone is allowed to have growing pains.

Re: BU and BC winless

The mighty have fallen. Hockey East (at one time arguably the best conference in college hockey) has seen better days. They have 7 teams in bottom 20. Two of those teams are bottom 10 with Merrimack being the worst. Hearing Merrimack will drop to Div. 3 in 19/20 where they belong. Need strong program to replace them.

Re: BU and BC winless

Anon
The mighty have fallen. Hockey East (at one time arguably the best conference in college hockey) has seen better days. They have 7 teams in bottom 20. Two of those teams are bottom 10 with Merrimack being the worst. Hearing Merrimack will drop to Div. 3 in 19/20 where they belong. Need strong program to replace them.
It's all the verbal commits coming around to bite them on the ass. Between underclassmen (at the time) and all the verbals, they "committed" 30+ young men when the whole thing snowballed a few years back. Some panned out, some didn't. And if they don't honor the verbals, then they can't get future verbals.

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Merrimack can't drop to D3 at this point. They are a D2 school so hockey can either play up at D1 or struggle like the handful of remaining D2 programs.

Re: BU and BC winless

Anon
Merrimack can't drop to D3 at this point. They are a D2 school so hockey can either play up at D1 or struggle like the handful of remaining D2 programs.
Merrimack is going D1 --- for everything.

https://www.eagletribune.com/news/merrimack-college-athletics-to-make-move-to-division/article_f5be8c2e-b50a-11e8-a5f2-bf6c7f8a93ee.html

Re: BU and BC winless

just looked up merrimack OUCH. will be interesting to see what happens with them.

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Hey, we beat both BU and BC this year, that's a huge accomplishment. Also, the new coach will do a great job with this group of young men. I am personally excited to see where the program goes.

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Will do a great job? Is losing 9-1 to Northeastern convincing you of that? Would be doing lot better under previous coach but he's coaching pro now.

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anon
just looked up merrimack OUCH. will be interesting to see what happens with them.
I'd like to see Merrimack move to either the ECAC or Atlantic Hockey conference. I think it would be a better fit for them.

Re: BU and BC winless

With Borek there now they are not going anywhere for the time being...They are going to give him time to recruit and build the program up....if not then they should move to another conference...

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We will be fine, just watch. Borek will do a great job, may take a couple years. HE is changing, BC and BU are not the places to go anymore. There are better coaches at other schools. Lowell best BU last night, that just shows that a coach can win over talent. Norm can out coach many of the guys out there. Albie May or may not figure out how to be a head coach. UNH will be a team in the future as well, Souza is a great coach. Just look where Umass was before, now look at them, #1 in the country before loss last night.