You go and watch the games and like many teams / leagues there are a few on each team who could play at the next level who aren't. For me it appears there is a size difference (especially with defensemen and goalies) and there is a bit of a speed difference. D-3 players will often have noticeable holes in their games (D-1 as well but compensate with a solid set of other skills / size / speed). And yes, many D-1 kids have better connections throughout their careers which move them to the front of the line. Go and look at the names on the sweaters of many D-1 kids sitting at the end of the bench and they would make good D-3 players but have a spot based on their connections / last name.
Love the anger and anxiety from the "how dare you compare" club. If there is such a clear difference, why so insecure?
Let's see, Club gets a practice a week, pay to play, no support....Now that's not to say some of these kids couldn't play D-3 but it's not. They have chosen to take the less stressful path and maybe focus on a blend of school and social life at a school of their choice without the worry of 3-4 practices a week with a couple games and travel.
OP didn’t ask about D3 vs Club..D1 players have a mix of size, speed, skill, and family connection.
They are usually the kids at age 15-17 are talked about and given opportunities that others don’t get and in many situations don’t deserve.
99% of these kids work their butts off.
Good to have the BC athletic supporter online with us this morning.
15-17 that are 'talked about' means hire the 'adviser' and write the checks to Jeff Cox and other self proclaimed 'scouts!' Crank-up that PR machine, dust off that check book and start making those teams!
The dboard is a thing of beauty.
I made the first reply at 9:21. It's just too easy.
Anyone who charges is doing it to make money, not to maintain NCAA compliance. Nominal and ncaa compliance are just ways for you to justify it to yourself. But we all know better.
No NHL registered agent executes any formal invoices/payments with prospects.
This thread predictably went to **** in a hurry.
You can't stereotype. Not all D-I programs have the same talent levels. Not all D-III programs have players that can't play D-I. The top D-III schools, many of which are in NE, are probably better than lower ranked D-I programs. Some D-III players get more money over their four years than some D-I players.
The only clearly identifiable difference between D-I and D-III is the size of the school. That seems to get lost in translation.
We are going through the college process now. There are big schools, small schools, liberal arts schools, and engineering schools on his list. We are more concerned with academic fit than hockey. He isn't the kind of kid thay wants to sit in a lecture hall with 250 other Freshmen. And, as his advisor has made clear, the odds are the school he will ultimately attend isn't going to be the one he chooses this Spring. Since he is going to have to play Juniors anyway, we aren't solely focused on hockey right now. That day will come.
Great point. Some kids are in D-1, D-3, ACHA for different reasons and ah, yeah some of it should be the actual education. Some kids focus on D-1 because they feel they have a future in the family business (hockey), some go D-3 because there is a specific school or experience they would prefer, some go ACHA because they've had enough hockey and want to hit the books. It's not as if every 18 year old is dying for a year or two of juniors to attend the school that selects them just to wear the D-1 badge.
What gets the eye of an advisor? Does a coach reach out on your behalf, do they just look at the top point getters (forwards)? What gets the player on the radar? My son is only 15, playing FS 16 and putting up good numbers (top 20 in the league). Need to learn more about this process from you guys who are going through this or have gone through this.
My experience is, at least for defensemen is you should contact the team of where you & the kid want to end-up. Or have your F.S. coach contact them if he's connected. Forwards are pretty easy, does the kid average need a point a game and is his +/- respectable. Defensemen it's a lot more subjective. Many who have similar numbers can have totally different skill sets and knowledge of the game so they need to be watched. And there certainly they will come out to watch without an invite if you have the right last name. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
No nhl agent establishes a relationship with a player/family and charges money. Especially a 'nominial' amount. What would the point of that be? The $250 wouldn't be worth the headaches. Have fun on your kids NCAA clearninghouse when you have to answer "yes" to having a formal relationship with an agent where money was exchanged. Or is it that your lying. C'mon admit it. I know your lying. Anyone on here who has an NHL agent as an advisor knows your lying. Now everyone on here knows your lying.
Just an FYI:
From UMASS student athlete questionnaire:
NCAA Rules DO allow you to have a “family advisor.”
The rules allow a student-athlete to have an advisor to review a prospective contract provided that the athlete pays
the advisor the going rate for the advisor’s services and as long as the advisor does not participate in negotiations on
the athlete’s behalf with the professional team.
In addition, in January of 2018 the NCAA changed the rules to allow players to sign with agents, similar to what is done with baseball but the representation ends after enrollement in school.
From the NCAA Guidelines:
Finally, it is important to note that in order to maintain your eligibility at the NCAA school, if you receive assistance from an advisor, you will be required to pay that advisor at his or her normal rate for such services
Leave the guy alone. Clearly he’s the only one who has figured it out.
Anyone know the difference between club-d3-d1? Is there a big difference or are kids basically interchangable based on who you know?
Yes there is a difference, sometimes the differences are glaring other times they are much more subtle but there is usually a difference in the caliber of players. Watch a game for UMASS Boston then watch say Minnesota State vs. Minnesota Duluth and you will realize there is a difference, you just might not be able to really articulate it well.
As for club, it's all over the place. Large schools with a solid hockey tradition can have very good club teams while at smaller schools the club teams would lose to many Varsity high school hockey programs.
Sounds confusing. Should I hire someone to help advise me and my son? Also I never played but it just so happens my last name is Messier and I named my kid Mark. Will that help at all?