Manchester Flames should be disqualified from participating in Tier 1 black division since they skipped the playoffs across the board to play in a NH tourney. They can play in Tier 1 white to warm up for their NH state tourney.
You guys have it backwards. Black is the upper division, white is the lower. White is equivalent to Town A hockey, Black is the real deal.
teams in white beat black in tourneys all the time. I'm sure upper black could beat lower elite. Every year is different. Stop worrying about it....your kid isn't. And FYI, he's over the loss in the finals and was by the time he got in the car so why aren't you?
Once you go Black, you Never go Back. ... to Town Hockey
Because the commitment level of the players and skill and competition is far superior in Club than most town programs.
Exactly! Why is it when you want to give your kid a chance to reach his potential the naysayers give you the old " well he ain't going to the NHL ya know". So what if he isn't! If i'm willing to shell out the money and support him, why not go for it. That being said, it tends to get outta control too. Keep it real, support them, challenge them and always buy them ice cream after the game. With Sprinkles if they win, cause sprinkles are for winners FLO!
For the Non Elite players some town programs like Braintree, Needham do a great job and maybe you are right, no need for Tier 1 for them. Most other town programs don't have the coaching, ice time and skill level that the Club teams offer. What is wrong with going for the better product with hopes of better results?
Ebony and Ivory, living together in perfect harmony!
People, please haven't we all evolved? Haven't we come further than this? Hockey is not about Black or White! It's about playing for the love of the game! Sydney Crosby or PK Subban, it just doesn't matter!
Please cease this talk about Black or White and just let the children play the game we ALL love so much!
Black tiers matter, white tiers matter, all tiers matter.
Exactly! Of course if Hockey were free and black tops were replaced by rinks then the the NBA and NHL would be identical. With that, no more Elite travel hockey for any of our little Johnnies our boys would all be swimmers and divers. The D board would be full of chatter about the best pools and swim programs in the area.
Back to the OP.
When will EHF put out the schedule for this?
C'mon, shouldn't be that difficult.
Teams have until this weekend to choose whether they want to participate in parity and submit their application. They have to wait until all those applications are in so they can do the schedule. That's why it has come out Monday or Tuesday of the week before parity the past two years.
1:15 pm - still no schedule - this is a joke, are they kidding me?
First that ridiculous President's Day tourney, now this?? The EHF is slowly becoming a laughing stock in the way they run day to day operations! Like above poster said, talent level aside, BHL/E9 runs a way better league.
The parity thing is a joke. It's designed to make sure that the teams they want in the "upper" division stay there. then they have an excuse to keep other teams out. They just change the rules for how teams are put into the upper when they need to. And to do it after the season and charge extra for it is stupid and means it's a money grab and has nothing to do with determining parity. And when the founding organizations bring in elite players to play in the parity tournament because they don't announce their elite team rosters until after the tournament to make sure they stay in the upper.
Schedule is up. No Vipers at the 07 level? Are they getting automatic spot for going undefeated or if not, where did they end up?
No Vipers at 05 level, and they came in 3rd in the league!
Looks like Vipers are there for 05 but not 04.
The schedule is wrong. The 05 schedule is actually the 04 schedule and vice versa.
It was up, but they took it down. They must of realized their mistake.
Does that mean vipers are going with all non-league schedule?
They fixed the issue and the final schedule is posted under Documents.
Did anyone ever find out where the 07 & 05 vipers are going next year or did they get an automatic spot for next year?
Perhaps they aren't going anywhere and just didn't want to play in the tournament. Clubs aren't required to play unless you want to be Tier 1 Black. Now that doesn't strike me as a very Viper's outlook but it is a possibility.
07 Team went undefeated in Tier 1. They're not going to settle for the lower division. My guess is that they are playing all non-league games with the best competition and tournaments that can find.
You are probably right about them going with an independent schedule & I hope it works out for them. Far be it from me to comment on how others use their money but the only time they are going to see "great" competition is in tournaments and doing 4 or 5 of those in a season, the costs would add up to quickly for me. Other than at tournaments, I think they'll find it pretty difficult to get the best teams in the area to schedule any scrimmages against them. EHF & E9 will want to protect their best teams images so your left with BHL & MPDHL teams to play against on non-tournament weekends. Like I said, I hope it works out for them but I know I wouldn't sign up for it.
At the 05 level they are letting the vipers and north stars skip the tourney. They will both be in the black division next year.i think they are lettin the 06 vipers in the black because they went undefeated this year.
The winner of the league gets an automatic placement in the black division.
What happened to the Shamrocks, they win the 05 White title and go 0 for 3 so far in the parity and lose to the Huskies!!! Huskies get shut out their 1st 2 games and route the champs 5-1. Terriers (W) was clearly the better team but the NSS caught lightning during the final game.
2004 Woonsocket Northstars coming out of no where and beating the Falcons and a tie with the Westborough Northstars.
2004 Islanders with a huge win over the Flames and look to be joining the upper division.
reminder folks....this is tier 1 hockey....1/4 step above town. settle down champs.
The ehf parity should be blown up. Its a waste of time money grab
Do it in September like the bhl .idiots
schedule is posted on NESC marlboro website
The schedule on the NESC site has changed at least three times today for the PW Minor and PW Major divisions. Don't go by that.
The final version will be posted to the EHF site Wednesday.
thats okay still no schedule is up; its fine to wait and post the schedule for an entire weekend less than 48 hours in advance; no one has plans to make since everyone only has one child in this world. SMH - Parity = disaster
Exactly! Before we even get into the schedule, let's talk about the fact that teams are forced to pay $1200 to the EHF to play in a parity tournament to determine placing in THEIR league, less than 1 week after the completion of most tryouts, before the teams even get to practice and work on things with potentially a new roster!
per website "New England's Premiere Amateur Minor Hockey League" . . .the only thing it is is Amateur hour . . .if the delay is really b/c teams from 2004 and 2005 want to stay in the White division and that is causing "MAJOR" delays, then post the rest of the schedules.
As much as everyone bashes E9/BHL, then run a way better league.
According to the EHF website, final parity standings will be posted Monday night.
Does the EHF announce which teams will be put in the different tiers this week or sometime in August? Anyone actually figure out what happened with the top Vipers teams that skipped the parity?
1. Northstars Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 19 6 0.240
2. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 0 1 7 21 7 0.250
3. Woonsocket North Stars 4 3 0 1 7 16 8 0.333
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 6 0.261
5. Minuteman Flames (G) 4 3 1 0 6 25 10 0.286
6. Providence Jr. Friars 4 3 1 0 6 20 11 0.355
7. South Shore Kings 4 3 1 0 6 19 11 0.367
8. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 17 12 0.414
9. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 2 1 1 5 18 18 0.500
10. New England Jr. Falcons 4 1 2 1 3 10 11 0.524
11. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 1 2 1 3 12 21 0.636
12. Dual State River Hawks 4 0 3 1 1 7 19 0.731
13. Manchester Flames 4 0 3 1 1 7 20 0.741
14. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 11 25 0.694
15. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 24 0.750
16. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 7 25 0.781
1. Minuteman Flames 4 4 0 0 8 14 5 0.263
2. Dual State River Hawks 4 4 0 0 8 20 10 0.333
3. Providence Capitals 4 3 0 1 7 18 2 0.100
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 21 10 0.323
5. Crimson Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 4 0.190
6. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 16 7 0.304
7. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 1 0 6 17 8 0.320
8. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 2 1 1 5 11 9 0.450
9. Top Gun 4 2 2 0 4 12 11 0.478
10. South Shore Kings (B) 4 1 2 1 3 8 8 0.500
11. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 1 2 1 3 11 15 0.577
12. Providence Jr. Friars 4 0 3 1 1 6 13 0.684
13. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 22 0.733
14. Boston Jr. Terriers (W) 4 0 4 0 0 8 28 0.778
15. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 6 24 0.800
16. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 5 22 0.815
2003 Parity, Kings & Huskies tied, not sure how the tie breaker will go. Kings did play all good teams, no "puff" games. Given the Kings won the lower division last year with only 2 losses I bet they let them in the "Black" and go 11 teams upper and 9 teams lower.
At the end of the day Parity worked for the 2003's. Almost the same teams in the Upper division as last year with the exception of Top Gun and SSK find themselves looking for a life line again at the end of the tournament.
03 crimson won 3 games all year and just won 3 in one weekend
Parity is a joke
the Crimson beat 2 bottom feeder teams and an expansion team with 8 kids on the bench, then lost to a solid white division team. Crimson are a joke no ice time and a coach that is a few peas short of a casserole.
None of it makes sense
03 kings first in white draw the 2nd 3rd 7th 10th in the Black
03 top gun 5th in the white draw the 4th 5th 6th and jr eagles new team
How fair ???
No difference from 2nd to 5th. Your not that good.
03 Kings went 32-1-4 in white. Won most games by 4 to 5 points. The deserve to move up.
32-1-4 in white AKA town kids.
SSK just could not get it done again in parity.
They were discussing whether the 03 Kings belongs in white or black. Obviously they belong in the black considering their stats. My kids team played in the white division and I am comfortable admitting the Kings were in the wrong division.
I have to agree with determining placement based on parity only. I know in the division there are some teams that may be bumped down from back to white and some teams that may come up to black from white that make you question how it's done. At least one of the Black teams from last year should not have to move down to white and how will those white teams perform if the possible 3 come up? And why not just play all teams? The lower teams get beat up by everyone and the higher teams squash most so at least the rest in the middle will probably have good games
The simple answer to your question on why the Falcons deserve to be in the upper division is because this "tournament" is pretty meaningless. If the goal is to find teams that will be competitive with one another for next season, then look at the scores. I don't think there's anyone that can argue the Falcons wouldn't be competitive. That's the stupid part about having this tournament in the first place. It doesn't really tell you anything when every team is playing against different opponents. You're going to have some weak schedules and some difficult schedules. Does it really show which teams are the best? I don't think so. There has to be a good way to decide division placements for the teams. All I know is that having all teams play 4 games against different opponents just days after teams are selected is not an accurate indication of where teams should be placed.
This is the third year of the parity tournament so the EHF has 2 seasons of data. Look at the number of Black division teams that get through parity and can't win more than a few of games all season. That should be all they need to know the system is broken and they need to fix it.
Parity at the Bantam minor level for next season is tough, especially considering that there is no checking in the tournament. Once the kids start checking during the season, it will make a big difference with a number of teams. But the parity tournament is nothing but a money grab by the EHF anyway. Look at all the teams that participated in it, each one paying $1k. Its just a way for the founding member rinks to sell some extra ice time and make more from their concession stands. Their "parity" means nothing when the season starts.
Why were the Northstars not in the parity tournament at the 03 level?
Rule #1 for the event was that "No teams will automatically qualify for the top grouping."
2003 Nortstars were scheduled to play. Were originally on the schedule. Manchester Flames dropped out of the Tournament at the last minute. With only 17 teams they could not redo the schedule and make it work. Northsatrs get the bye. Maybe Northstars and Flames had a deal? Just saying.