Ice Hockey DBoard

The Official New England Ice Hockey DBoard 


Click Here to Visit Our Facebook Page

email: icehockeydboard@yahoo.com

Youth Hockey
Start a New Topic 
Author
Comment
View Entire Thread
Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Exactly! Of course if Hockey were free and black tops were replaced by rinks then the the NBA and NHL would be identical. With that, no more Elite travel hockey for any of our little Johnnies our boys would all be swimmers and divers. The D board would be full of chatter about the best pools and swim programs in the area.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Willie O'Ree & Jimmy the Greek
Exactly! Of course if Hockey were free and black tops were replaced by rinks then the the NBA and NHL would be identical. With that, no more Elite travel hockey for any of our little Johnnies our boys would all be swimmers and divers. The D board would be full of chatter about the best pools and swim programs in the area.



It's True. In 1952 I was drafted by the New York Knickabockers after an all american career at Brandeis University. As one of the taller centers in the league, 6'2" ( thanks to my great grandmother of german descent) I led the NBA in rebounding for three straight years. All of a sudden they let the coloreds in, Oy Vay!! I was done. Took a job selling Bra's. Jimmy the Greek was spot on.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Back to the OP.

When will EHF put out the schedule for this?

C'mon, shouldn't be that difficult.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Teams have until this weekend to choose whether they want to participate in parity and submit their application. They have to wait until all those applications are in so they can do the schedule. That's why it has come out Monday or Tuesday of the week before parity the past two years.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Teams have until this weekend to choose whether they want to participate in parity and submit their application. They have to wait until all those applications are in so they can do the schedule. That's why it has come out Monday or Tuesday of the week before parity the past two years.


Comes out Monday or Tuesday.

For games scheduled on Friday.

Awesome.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Anon
Teams have until this weekend to choose whether they want to participate in parity and submit their application. They have to wait until all those applications are in so they can do the schedule. That's why it has come out Monday or Tuesday of the week before parity the past two years.


Comes out Monday or Tuesday.

For games scheduled on Friday.

Awesome.



EHF page now says Wednesday.

Most teams expected to play that Friday.

They're gonna try and not make kids miss school tho.

That's nice.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Anon
You guys have it backwards. Black is the upper division, white is the lower. White is equivalent to Town A hockey, Black is the real deal.


Who has said different?

White would still beat Town A, at least at the top 3-4 teams.

Black would steamroll.


Hate to burst your bubble but the Islanders Hockey Club lost to the town of Framingham at Jay Peak this year. The Crimson lost to Hingham in the Kiwanis tournament and barely beat Quincy.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

That guy at the rink
Anon
Anon
You guys have it backwards. Black is the upper division, white is the lower. White is equivalent to Town A hockey, Black is the real deal.


Who has said different?

White would still beat Town A, at least at the top 3-4 teams.

Black would steamroll.


Hate to burst your bubble but the Islanders Hockey Club lost to the town of Framingham at Jay Peak this year. The Crimson lost to Hingham in the Kiwanis tournament and barely beat Quincy.


Just wondering if it was a minor team that lost or a major team that lost? Kind of makes a difference because the town team has both. Some kids would be a year older because they don't separate minors and majors in town.
Anon

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

1:15 pm - still no schedule - this is a joke, are they kidding me?

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

First that ridiculous President's Day tourney, now this?? The EHF is slowly becoming a laughing stock in the way they run day to day operations! Like above poster said, talent level aside, BHL/E9 runs a way better league.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

The parity thing is a joke. It's designed to make sure that the teams they want in the "upper" division stay there. then they have an excuse to keep other teams out. They just change the rules for how teams are put into the upper when they need to. And to do it after the season and charge extra for it is stupid and means it's a money grab and has nothing to do with determining parity. And when the founding organizations bring in elite players to play in the parity tournament because they don't announce their elite team rosters until after the tournament to make sure they stay in the upper.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Schedule is up. No Vipers at the 07 level? Are they getting automatic spot for going undefeated or if not, where did they end up?

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

No Vipers at 05 level, and they came in 3rd in the league!

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Looks like Vipers are there for 05 but not 04.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

The schedule is wrong. The 05 schedule is actually the 04 schedule and vice versa.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

an
Schedule is up. No Vipers at the 07 level? Are they getting automatic spot for going undefeated or if not, where did they end up?


It is? Where? I'm looking at the Documents section and it's not there.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

It was up, but they took it down. They must of realized their mistake.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Does that mean vipers are going with all non-league schedule?

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

They fixed the issue and the final schedule is posted under Documents.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Did anyone ever find out where the 07 & 05 vipers are going next year or did they get an automatic spot for next year?

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

anon
Did anyone ever find out where the 07 & 05 vipers are going next year or did they get an automatic spot for next year?

I would be surprised if it was automatic or 06 would have been granted the same and they are in the parity

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Perhaps they aren't going anywhere and just didn't want to play in the tournament. Clubs aren't required to play unless you want to be Tier 1 Black. Now that doesn't strike me as a very Viper's outlook but it is a possibility.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

07 Team went undefeated in Tier 1. They're not going to settle for the lower division. My guess is that they are playing all non-league games with the best competition and tournaments that can find.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

You are probably right about them going with an independent schedule & I hope it works out for them. Far be it from me to comment on how others use their money but the only time they are going to see "great" competition is in tournaments and doing 4 or 5 of those in a season, the costs would add up to quickly for me. Other than at tournaments, I think they'll find it pretty difficult to get the best teams in the area to schedule any scrimmages against them. EHF & E9 will want to protect their best teams images so your left with BHL & MPDHL teams to play against on non-tournament weekends. Like I said, I hope it works out for them but I know I wouldn't sign up for it.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

At the 05 level they are letting the vipers and north stars skip the tourney. They will both be in the black division next year.i think they are lettin the 06 vipers in the black because they went undefeated this year.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

The winner of the league gets an automatic placement in the black division.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

anon
The winner of the league gets an automatic placement in the black division.

Not sure about that Vipers 06 had best overall record end of season. Minutemen Flames (which finished 3rd for the season) but won the playoffs are both playing in the 06 parity

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
anon
The winner of the league gets an automatic placement in the black division.

Not sure about that Vipers 06 had best overall record end of season. Minutemen Flames (which finished 3rd for the season) but won the playoffs are both playing in the 06 parity


06 mmf t1 lost to vipers in the black playoffs.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Anon
anon
The winner of the league gets an automatic placement in the black division.

Not sure about that Vipers 06 had best overall record end of season. Minutemen Flames (which finished 3rd for the season) but won the playoffs are both playing in the 06 parity


06 mmf t1 lost to vipers in the black playoffs.

Then why are the flames pictured on the EHF webdite as 06 black champs

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Anon
Anon
anon
The winner of the league gets an automatic placement in the black division.

Not sure about that Vipers 06 had best overall record end of season. Minutemen Flames (which finished 3rd for the season) but won the playoffs are both playing in the 06 parity


06 mmf t1 lost to vipers in the black playoffs.

Then why are the flames pictured on the EHF webdite as 06 black champs


They aren't. They're 06 elite team won their championship.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

What happened to the Shamrocks, they win the 05 White title and go 0 for 3 so far in the parity and lose to the Huskies!!! Huskies get shut out their 1st 2 games and route the champs 5-1. Terriers (W) was clearly the better team but the NSS caught lightning during the final game.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

2004 Woonsocket Northstars coming out of no where and beating the Falcons and a tie with the Westborough Northstars.

2004 Islanders with a huge win over the Flames and look to be joining the upper division.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

reminder folks....this is tier 1 hockey....1/4 step above town. settle down champs.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

anon
reminder folks....this is tier 1 hockey....1/4 step above town. settle down champs.


And they, and 98% of "elite" kids, will be playing in beer leagues by the age of 19.

Enjoy it while it lasts, no matter what league your son/daughter plays in.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
The parity thing is a joke. It's designed to make sure that the teams they want in the "upper" division stay there. then they have an excuse to keep other teams out. They just change the rules for how teams are put into the upper when they need to. And to do it after the season and charge extra for it is stupid and means it's a money grab and has nothing to do with determining parity. And when the founding organizations bring in elite players to play in the parity tournament because they don't announce their elite team rosters until after the tournament to make sure they stay in the upper.


Nooooo, really?? I am sooo disappointed

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Manchester Flames should be disqualified from participating in Tier 1 black division since they skipped the playoffs across the board to play in a NH tourney. They can play in Tier 1 white to warm up for their NH state tourney.


they skipped the play offs because they are moving over to the mpdhl

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Parity should be at the beginning of the season. Like the BHL. Kids get bigger and better with time off and summer camps.
BHL does it right. How come ehf teams have to pay for parity and BHL doesn't

Agree the morons that run the ehf think it a good idea to have an 18+ team tournament 10 days after tryouts. You play 4 random games to determine the two division some teams get four cupcakes and make it to the black division and have more wins in parity than the next full season .make sense ? take a look at the bhl they get it!
BIGGEST WASTE OF TIME

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Wednesday?

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

The ehf parity should be blown up. Its a waste of time money grab
Do it in September like the bhl .idiots

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

schedule is posted on NESC marlboro website

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

The schedule on the NESC site has changed at least three times today for the PW Minor and PW Major divisions. Don't go by that.

The final version will be posted to the EHF site Wednesday.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

thanks

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

thats okay still no schedule is up; its fine to wait and post the schedule for an entire weekend less than 48 hours in advance; no one has plans to make since everyone only has one child in this world. SMH - Parity = disaster

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Exactly! Before we even get into the schedule, let's talk about the fact that teams are forced to pay $1200 to the EHF to play in a parity tournament to determine placing in THEIR league, less than 1 week after the completion of most tryouts, before the teams even get to practice and work on things with potentially a new roster!

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Exactly! Before we even get into the schedule, let's talk about the fact that teams are forced to pay $1200 to the EHF to play in a parity tournament to determine placing in THEIR league, less than 1 week after the completion of most tryouts, before the teams even get to practice and work on things with potentially a new roster!



That is Mind Boggling! WTF!! They must sit around the office and dream up the most ridiculous ideas and laugh their butts off when they actually pull it off!

You can't make this stuff up!!

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

per website "New England's Premiere Amateur Minor Hockey League" . . .the only thing it is is Amateur hour . . .if the delay is really b/c teams from 2004 and 2005 want to stay in the White division and that is causing "MAJOR" delays, then post the rest of the schedules.

As much as everyone bashes E9/BHL, then run a way better league.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

According to the EHF website, final parity standings will be posted Monday night.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Does the EHF announce which teams will be put in the different tiers this week or sometime in August? Anyone actually figure out what happened with the top Vipers teams that skipped the parity?

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

2004 Results

1. Northstars Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 19 6 0.240
2. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 0 1 7 21 7 0.250
3. Woonsocket North Stars 4 3 0 1 7 16 8 0.333
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 6 0.261
5. Minuteman Flames (G) 4 3 1 0 6 25 10 0.286
6. Providence Jr. Friars 4 3 1 0 6 20 11 0.355
7. South Shore Kings 4 3 1 0 6 19 11 0.367
8. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 17 12 0.414
_____________________________________________________________________________
9. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 2 1 1 5 18 18 0.500
10. New England Jr. Falcons 4 1 2 1 3 10 11 0.524
11. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 1 2 1 3 12 21 0.636
12. Dual State River Hawks 4 0 3 1 1 7 19 0.731
13. Manchester Flames 4 0 3 1 1 7 20 0.741
14. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 11 25 0.694
15. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 24 0.750
16. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 7 25 0.781

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

2003 results

1. Minuteman Flames 4 4 0 0 8 14 5 0.263
2. Dual State River Hawks 4 4 0 0 8 20 10 0.333
3. Providence Capitals 4 3 0 1 7 18 2 0.100
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 21 10 0.323
5. Crimson Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 4 0.190
6. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 16 7 0.304
7. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 1 0 6 17 8 0.320
8. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 2 1 1 5 11 9 0.450
_________________________________________________________________________
9. Top Gun 4 2 2 0 4 12 11 0.478
10. South Shore Kings (B) 4 1 2 1 3 8 8 0.500
11. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 1 2 1 3 11 15 0.577
12. Providence Jr. Friars 4 0 3 1 1 6 13 0.684
13. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 22 0.733
14. Boston Jr. Terriers (W) 4 0 4 0 0 8 28 0.778
15. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 6 24 0.800
16. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 5 22 0.815

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
2003 results

1. Minuteman Flames 4 4 0 0 8 14 5 0.263
2. Dual State River Hawks 4 4 0 0 8 20 10 0.333
3. Providence Capitals 4 3 0 1 7 18 2 0.100
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 21 10 0.323
5. Crimson Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 4 0.190
6. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 16 7 0.304
7. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 1 0 6 17 8 0.320
8. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 2 1 1 5 11 9 0.450
_________________________________________________________________________
9. Top Gun 4 2 2 0 4 12 11 0.478
10. South Shore Kings (B) 4 1 2 1 3 8 8 0.500
11. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 1 2 1 3 11 15 0.577
12. Providence Jr. Friars 4 0 3 1 1 6 13 0.684
13. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 22 0.733
14. Boston Jr. Terriers (W) 4 0 4 0 0 8 28 0.778
15. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 6 24 0.800
16. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 5 22 0.815



Looks like the 03 SSK cheater coach is playing another year in the JV division. Karma is a ******

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
2003 results

1. Minuteman Flames 4 4 0 0 8 14 5 0.263
2. Dual State River Hawks 4 4 0 0 8 20 10 0.333
3. Providence Capitals 4 3 0 1 7 18 2 0.100
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 21 10 0.323
5. Crimson Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 4 0.190
6. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 16 7 0.304
7. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 1 0 6 17 8 0.320
8. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 2 1 1 5 11 9 0.450
_________________________________________________________________________
9. Top Gun 4 2 2 0 4 12 11 0.478
10. South Shore Kings (B) 4 1 2 1 3 8 8 0.500
11. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 1 2 1 3 11 15 0.577
12. Providence Jr. Friars 4 0 3 1 1 6 13 0.684
13. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 22 0.733
14. Boston Jr. Terriers (W) 4 0 4 0 0 8 28 0.778
15. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 6 24 0.800
16. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 5 22 0.815


More like...

1 Northstars
2 Minuteman Flames
3 Dual State River Hawks
4 Providence Capitals
5 Islanders Hockey Club
6 Bay State Breakers
7 Crimson Hockey Club
8 Greater Boston Vipers
9 Boston Jr. Terriers (R)
10 Top Gun
11 South Shore Kings (B)
12 Huskies
13 Providence Jr. Friars
14 Boston Jr. Terriers (W)
15 Boston Bandits
16 Boston Jr Eagles
17 North Shore Shamrocks
18 New England Bulldogs
19 New England Jr. Falcons
20 Manchester Flames

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

2003 Parity, Kings & Huskies tied, not sure how the tie breaker will go. Kings did play all good teams, no "puff" games. Given the Kings won the lower division last year with only 2 losses I bet they let them in the "Black" and go 11 teams upper and 9 teams lower.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
2003 Parity, Kings & Huskies tied, not sure how the tie breaker will go. Kings did play all good teams, no "puff" games. Given the Kings won the lower division last year with only 2 losses I bet they let them in the "Black" and go 11 teams upper and 9 teams lower.


They need to consider strength of schedule. The Crimson were the worst team in the black division last year and got a creampuff shcedule in parity. The only tough game they had was against the Kings and they lost 3-0. Yet somehow they're going to be in the black and the Kings are going to be in the white? Makes no sense.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Anon
2003 Parity, Kings & Huskies tied, not sure how the tie breaker will go. Kings did play all good teams, no "puff" games. Given the Kings won the lower division last year with only 2 losses I bet they let them in the "Black" and go 11 teams upper and 9 teams lower.


They need to consider strength of schedule. The Crimson were the worst team in the black division last year and got a creampuff shcedule in parity. The only tough game they had was against the Kings and they lost 3-0. Yet somehow they're going to be in the black and the Kings are going to be in the white? Makes no sense.


You can't consider strength of schedule. All the teams just had tryouts. Teams have changed. Some got worse. Some got better.

All you got, no matter how flawed, are the parity tournament records.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

At the end of the day Parity worked for the 2003's. Almost the same teams in the Upper division as last year with the exception of Top Gun and SSK find themselves looking for a life line again at the end of the tournament.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

03 crimson won 3 games all year and just won 3 in one weekend
Parity is a joke

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
03 crimson won 3 games all year and just won 3 in one weekend
Parity is a joke


Yeah, LAST year. New year, new players.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

the Crimson beat 2 bottom feeder teams and an expansion team with 8 kids on the bench, then lost to a solid white division team. Crimson are a joke no ice time and a coach that is a few peas short of a casserole.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

You can't consider strength of schedule. All the teams just had tryouts. Teams have changed. Some got worse. Some got better.


Sure you can. Use the parity tournament records to determine strength of schedule. Look at the record of the teams the Crimson played and look at the record of the teams the Kings played. The parity record, not last year. Do that for everyone involved. There's your "strength of schedule" metric.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
You can't consider strength of schedule. All the teams just had tryouts. Teams have changed. Some got worse. Some got better.


Sure you can. Use the parity tournament records to determine strength of schedule. Look at the record of the teams the Crimson played and look at the record of the teams the Kings played. The parity record, not last year. Do that for everyone involved. There's your "strength of schedule" metric.


Based on fours games? That's not good enough to implement "strength of schedule".

The whole parity system is flawed. You can't let subjectivity into the equation. So the only consistent metric are wins/losses.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Based on fours games? That's not good enough to implement "strength of schedule".

The whole parity system is flawed. You can't let subjectivity into the equation. So the only consistent metric are wins/losses.


What's the difference? Wins/losses based off four games or strength of schedule based off four games. None of it is subjective, it's just math.

CRIMSON's competition went 1-13-2
SS KINGS's competition went 13-2-1

Pretty clear who faced better competition. 27 points to 4. No subjectivity required.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

None of it makes sense
03 kings first in white draw the 2nd 3rd 7th 10th in the Black
03 top gun 5th in the white draw the 4th 5th 6th and jr eagles new team
How fair ???

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
None of it makes sense that
03 kings first in white draw the 2nd 3rd 7th 10th in the Black
03 top gun 5th in the white draw the 4th 5th 6th and jr eagles new team
How fair ???

Same way at every age group. Doesn't really make sense. It caters to the teams that didn't do well the previous season.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

No difference from 2nd to 5th. Your not that good.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
2003 Parity, Kings & Huskies tied, not sure how the tie breaker will go. Kings did play all good teams, no "puff" games. Given the Kings won the lower division last year with only 2 losses I bet they let them in the "Black" and go 11 teams upper and 9 teams lower.


The Kings and Huskies tied for 11th place AKA first place in the White division.

No way they make room for the SSK just because they waltzed through a bunch of weak teams last year.

We can all agree the parity stinks, but the SSK played by the same rules as every other team and could not get it done.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

03 Kings went 32-1-4 in white. Won most games by 4 to 5 points. The deserve to move up.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

32-1-4 in white AKA town kids.

SSK just could not get it done again in parity.

Lousy coaching.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

They were discussing whether the 03 Kings belongs in white or black. Obviously they belong in the black considering their stats. My kids team played in the white division and I am comfortable admitting the Kings were in the wrong division.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
32-1-4 in white AKA town kids.

SSK just could not get it done again in parity.

Lousy coaching.


They got it done against the Crimson, who if I recall correctly couldn't beat a couple of town teams last year.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
2004 Results

1. Northstars Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 19 6 0.240
2. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 0 1 7 21 7 0.250
3. Woonsocket North Stars 4 3 0 1 7 16 8 0.333
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 6 0.261
5. Minuteman Flames (G) 4 3 1 0 6 25 10 0.286
6. Providence Jr. Friars 4 3 1 0 6 20 11 0.355
7. South Shore Kings 4 3 1 0 6 19 11 0.367
8. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 17 12 0.414
_____________________________________________________________________________
9. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 2 1 1 5 18 18 0.500
10. New England Jr. Falcons 4 1 2 1 3 10 11 0.524
11. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 1 2 1 3 12 21 0.636
12. Dual State River Hawks 4 0 3 1 1 7 19 0.731
13. Manchester Flames 4 0 3 1 1 7 20 0.741
14. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 11 25 0.694
15. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 24 0.750
16. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 7 25 0.781


More like...

1 Greater Boston Vipers
2 Northstars
3 Woonsocket
4 Bay State Breakers
5 Minuteman Flames G
6 Islanders Hockey Club
7 Providence Friars
8 South Shore Kings
9 Huskies
10 Boston Jr Terriers (R)
11 New England Falcons
12 Dual State Riverhawks
13 Manhester Flames
14 Northshore Shamrocks
15 Boston Bandits
16 Boston Jr Eagles
17 Top Gun
18 Boston Jr. Terriers (W)
19 Crimson Hockey Club
20 Providence Capitals
21 Minuteman Flames (R)


Top 8 teams all had 3 wins. The Falcons deserve the upper division.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Anon
2004 Results

1. Northstars Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 19 6 0.240
2. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 0 1 7 21 7 0.250
3. Woonsocket North Stars 4 3 0 1 7 16 8 0.333
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 6 0.261
5. Minuteman Flames (G) 4 3 1 0 6 25 10 0.286
6. Providence Jr. Friars 4 3 1 0 6 20 11 0.355
7. South Shore Kings 4 3 1 0 6 19 11 0.367
8. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 17 12 0.414
_____________________________________________________________________________
9. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 2 1 1 5 18 18 0.500
10. New England Jr. Falcons 4 1 2 1 3 10 11 0.524
11. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 1 2 1 3 12 21 0.636
12. Dual State River Hawks 4 0 3 1 1 7 19 0.731
13. Manchester Flames 4 0 3 1 1 7 20 0.741
14. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 11 25 0.694
15. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 24 0.750
16. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 7 25 0.781


More like...

1 Greater Boston Vipers
2 Northstars
3 Woonsocket
4 Bay State Breakers
5 Minuteman Flames G
6 Islanders Hockey Club
7 Providence Friars
8 South Shore Kings
9 Huskies
10 Boston Jr Terriers (R)
11 New England Falcons
12 Dual State Riverhawks
13 Manhester Flames
14 Northshore Shamrocks
15 Boston Bandits
16 Boston Jr Eagles
17 Top Gun
18 Boston Jr. Terriers (W)
19 Crimson Hockey Club
20 Providence Capitals
21 Minuteman Flames (R)


Top 8 teams all had 3 wins. The Falcons deserve the upper division.



The Falcons went 1-2-1 Why would they "deserve" to be in the upper division?

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

I have to agree with determining placement based on parity only. I know in the division there are some teams that may be bumped down from back to white and some teams that may come up to black from white that make you question how it's done. At least one of the Black teams from last year should not have to move down to white and how will those white teams perform if the possible 3 come up? And why not just play all teams? The lower teams get beat up by everyone and the higher teams squash most so at least the rest in the middle will probably have good games

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

The simple answer to your question on why the Falcons deserve to be in the upper division is because this "tournament" is pretty meaningless. If the goal is to find teams that will be competitive with one another for next season, then look at the scores. I don't think there's anyone that can argue the Falcons wouldn't be competitive. That's the stupid part about having this tournament in the first place. It doesn't really tell you anything when every team is playing against different opponents. You're going to have some weak schedules and some difficult schedules. Does it really show which teams are the best? I don't think so. There has to be a good way to decide division placements for the teams. All I know is that having all teams play 4 games against different opponents just days after teams are selected is not an accurate indication of where teams should be placed.

This is the third year of the parity tournament so the EHF has 2 seasons of data. Look at the number of Black division teams that get through parity and can't win more than a few of games all season. That should be all they need to know the system is broken and they need to fix it.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
The simple answer to your question on why the Falcons deserve to be in the upper division is because this "tournament" is pretty meaningless. If the goal is to find teams that will be competitive with one another for next season, then look at the scores. I don't think there's anyone that can argue the Falcons wouldn't be competitive. That's the stupid part about having this tournament in the first place. It doesn't really tell you anything when every team is playing against different opponents. You're going to have some weak schedules and some difficult schedules. Does it really show which teams are the best? I don't think so. There has to be a good way to decide division placements for the teams. All I know is that having all teams play 4 games against different opponents just days after teams are selected is not an accurate indication of where teams should be placed.

This is the third year of the parity tournament so the EHF has 2 seasons of data. Look at the number of Black division teams that get through parity and can't win more than a few of games all season. That should be all they need to know the system is broken and they need to fix it.


not having any skin in the game. the explanation you give aims at the tournament itself not at the falcons. agreed that there could be improvements. but that could be said for all "try-outs" - they are not necessarily indicative who is the better team/player. anyway, so why the falcons?

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

anon
Anon
The simple answer to your question on why the Falcons deserve to be in the upper division is because this "tournament" is pretty meaningless. If the goal is to find teams that will be competitive with one another for next season, then look at the scores. I don't think there's anyone that can argue the Falcons wouldn't be competitive. That's the stupid part about having this tournament in the first place. It doesn't really tell you anything when every team is playing against different opponents. You're going to have some weak schedules and some difficult schedules. Does it really show which teams are the best? I don't think so. There has to be a good way to decide division placements for the teams. All I know is that having all teams play 4 games against different opponents just days after teams are selected is not an accurate indication of where teams should be placed.

This is the third year of the parity tournament so the EHF has 2 seasons of data. Look at the number of Black division teams that get through parity and can't win more than a few of games all season. That should be all they need to know the system is broken and they need to fix it.


not having any skin in the game. the explanation you give aims at the tournament itself not at the falcons. agreed that there could be improvements. but that could be said for all "try-outs" - they are not necessarily indicative who is the better team/player. anyway, so why the falcons?


My argument is that this parity tournament process is to decide which teams will be competitive in the Black division. I don't think that there's anyone that could argue the Falcons wouldn't be competitive. They had a couple of close losses this weekend. Does that mean they couldn't compete? I don't think so. If they are on the bubble then I would lean towards letting them in. They've proven themselves. It may be a more difficult argument for the Terriers Red team since they got blown out 11-1 against the Flames.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Parity at the Bantam minor level for next season is tough, especially considering that there is no checking in the tournament. Once the kids start checking during the season, it will make a big difference with a number of teams. But the parity tournament is nothing but a money grab by the EHF anyway. Look at all the teams that participated in it, each one paying $1k. Its just a way for the founding member rinks to sell some extra ice time and make more from their concession stands. Their "parity" means nothing when the season starts.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Parity at the Bantam minor level for next season is tough, especially considering that there is no checking in the tournament. Once the kids start checking during the season, it will make a big difference with a number of teams. But the parity tournament is nothing but a money grab by the EHF anyway. Look at all the teams that participated in it, each one paying $1k. Its just a way for the founding member rinks to sell some extra ice time and make more from their concession stands. Their "parity" means nothing when the season starts.


While it's pretty crazy to hold off checking until they are this old, it isn't that big of a deal once it's implemented. The parents seem to worry about it more than the kids and certainly they the parents think it's such a game changer when it isn't. It's still hockey.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Why were the Northstars not in the parity tournament at the 03 level?

Rule #1 for the event was that "No teams will automatically qualify for the top grouping."

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

2003 Nortstars were scheduled to play. Were originally on the schedule. Manchester Flames dropped out of the Tournament at the last minute. With only 17 teams they could not redo the schedule and make it work. Northsatrs get the bye. Maybe Northstars and Flames had a deal? Just saying.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
2003 Nortstars were scheduled to play. Were originally on the schedule. Manchester Flames dropped out of the Tournament at the last minute. With only 17 teams they could not redo the schedule and make it work. Northsatrs get the bye. Maybe Northstars and Flames had a deal? Just saying.


Thanks for clarifying.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Anon
Anon
2004 Results

1. Northstars Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 19 6 0.240
2. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 0 1 7 21 7 0.250
3. Woonsocket North Stars 4 3 0 1 7 16 8 0.333
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 6 0.261
5. Minuteman Flames (G) 4 3 1 0 6 25 10 0.286
6. Providence Jr. Friars 4 3 1 0 6 20 11 0.355
7. South Shore Kings 4 3 1 0 6 19 11 0.367
8. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 17 12 0.414
_____________________________________________________________________________
9. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 2 1 1 5 18 18 0.500
10. New England Jr. Falcons 4 1 2 1 3 10 11 0.524
11. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 1 2 1 3 12 21 0.636
12. Dual State River Hawks 4 0 3 1 1 7 19 0.731
13. Manchester Flames 4 0 3 1 1 7 20 0.741
14. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 11 25 0.694
15. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 24 0.750
16. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 7 25 0.781


More like...

1 Greater Boston Vipers
2 Northstars
3 Woonsocket
4 Bay State Breakers
5 Minuteman Flames G
6 Islanders Hockey Club
7 Providence Friars
8 South Shore Kings
9 Huskies
10 Boston Jr Terriers (R)
11 New England Falcons
12 Dual State Riverhawks
13 Manhester Flames
14 Northshore Shamrocks
15 Boston Bandits
16 Boston Jr Eagles
17 Top Gun
18 Boston Jr. Terriers (W)
19 Crimson Hockey Club
20 Providence Capitals
21 Minuteman Flames (R)


Top 8 teams all had 3 wins. The Falcons deserve the upper division.



The Falcons went 1-2-1 Why would they "deserve" to be in the upper division?


There are 21 teams, go with 11 in the Black and 10 in the White. Falcons were the 3rd place team in the Black last year.