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Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
2004 Results

1. Northstars Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 19 6 0.240
2. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 0 1 7 21 7 0.250
3. Woonsocket North Stars 4 3 0 1 7 16 8 0.333
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 6 0.261
5. Minuteman Flames (G) 4 3 1 0 6 25 10 0.286
6. Providence Jr. Friars 4 3 1 0 6 20 11 0.355
7. South Shore Kings 4 3 1 0 6 19 11 0.367
8. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 17 12 0.414
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9. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 2 1 1 5 18 18 0.500
10. New England Jr. Falcons 4 1 2 1 3 10 11 0.524
11. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 1 2 1 3 12 21 0.636
12. Dual State River Hawks 4 0 3 1 1 7 19 0.731
13. Manchester Flames 4 0 3 1 1 7 20 0.741
14. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 11 25 0.694
15. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 24 0.750
16. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 7 25 0.781


More like...

1 Greater Boston Vipers
2 Northstars
3 Woonsocket
4 Bay State Breakers
5 Minuteman Flames G
6 Islanders Hockey Club
7 Providence Friars
8 South Shore Kings
9 Huskies
10 Boston Jr Terriers (R)
11 New England Falcons
12 Dual State Riverhawks
13 Manhester Flames
14 Northshore Shamrocks
15 Boston Bandits
16 Boston Jr Eagles
17 Top Gun
18 Boston Jr. Terriers (W)
19 Crimson Hockey Club
20 Providence Capitals
21 Minuteman Flames (R)


Top 8 teams all had 3 wins. The Falcons deserve the upper division.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Anon
2004 Results

1. Northstars Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 19 6 0.240
2. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 0 1 7 21 7 0.250
3. Woonsocket North Stars 4 3 0 1 7 16 8 0.333
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 6 0.261
5. Minuteman Flames (G) 4 3 1 0 6 25 10 0.286
6. Providence Jr. Friars 4 3 1 0 6 20 11 0.355
7. South Shore Kings 4 3 1 0 6 19 11 0.367
8. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 17 12 0.414
_____________________________________________________________________________
9. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 2 1 1 5 18 18 0.500
10. New England Jr. Falcons 4 1 2 1 3 10 11 0.524
11. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 1 2 1 3 12 21 0.636
12. Dual State River Hawks 4 0 3 1 1 7 19 0.731
13. Manchester Flames 4 0 3 1 1 7 20 0.741
14. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 11 25 0.694
15. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 24 0.750
16. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 7 25 0.781


More like...

1 Greater Boston Vipers
2 Northstars
3 Woonsocket
4 Bay State Breakers
5 Minuteman Flames G
6 Islanders Hockey Club
7 Providence Friars
8 South Shore Kings
9 Huskies
10 Boston Jr Terriers (R)
11 New England Falcons
12 Dual State Riverhawks
13 Manhester Flames
14 Northshore Shamrocks
15 Boston Bandits
16 Boston Jr Eagles
17 Top Gun
18 Boston Jr. Terriers (W)
19 Crimson Hockey Club
20 Providence Capitals
21 Minuteman Flames (R)


Top 8 teams all had 3 wins. The Falcons deserve the upper division.



The Falcons went 1-2-1 Why would they "deserve" to be in the upper division?

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

I have to agree with determining placement based on parity only. I know in the division there are some teams that may be bumped down from back to white and some teams that may come up to black from white that make you question how it's done. At least one of the Black teams from last year should not have to move down to white and how will those white teams perform if the possible 3 come up? And why not just play all teams? The lower teams get beat up by everyone and the higher teams squash most so at least the rest in the middle will probably have good games

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

The simple answer to your question on why the Falcons deserve to be in the upper division is because this "tournament" is pretty meaningless. If the goal is to find teams that will be competitive with one another for next season, then look at the scores. I don't think there's anyone that can argue the Falcons wouldn't be competitive. That's the stupid part about having this tournament in the first place. It doesn't really tell you anything when every team is playing against different opponents. You're going to have some weak schedules and some difficult schedules. Does it really show which teams are the best? I don't think so. There has to be a good way to decide division placements for the teams. All I know is that having all teams play 4 games against different opponents just days after teams are selected is not an accurate indication of where teams should be placed.

This is the third year of the parity tournament so the EHF has 2 seasons of data. Look at the number of Black division teams that get through parity and can't win more than a few of games all season. That should be all they need to know the system is broken and they need to fix it.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
The simple answer to your question on why the Falcons deserve to be in the upper division is because this "tournament" is pretty meaningless. If the goal is to find teams that will be competitive with one another for next season, then look at the scores. I don't think there's anyone that can argue the Falcons wouldn't be competitive. That's the stupid part about having this tournament in the first place. It doesn't really tell you anything when every team is playing against different opponents. You're going to have some weak schedules and some difficult schedules. Does it really show which teams are the best? I don't think so. There has to be a good way to decide division placements for the teams. All I know is that having all teams play 4 games against different opponents just days after teams are selected is not an accurate indication of where teams should be placed.

This is the third year of the parity tournament so the EHF has 2 seasons of data. Look at the number of Black division teams that get through parity and can't win more than a few of games all season. That should be all they need to know the system is broken and they need to fix it.


not having any skin in the game. the explanation you give aims at the tournament itself not at the falcons. agreed that there could be improvements. but that could be said for all "try-outs" - they are not necessarily indicative who is the better team/player. anyway, so why the falcons?

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

anon
Anon
The simple answer to your question on why the Falcons deserve to be in the upper division is because this "tournament" is pretty meaningless. If the goal is to find teams that will be competitive with one another for next season, then look at the scores. I don't think there's anyone that can argue the Falcons wouldn't be competitive. That's the stupid part about having this tournament in the first place. It doesn't really tell you anything when every team is playing against different opponents. You're going to have some weak schedules and some difficult schedules. Does it really show which teams are the best? I don't think so. There has to be a good way to decide division placements for the teams. All I know is that having all teams play 4 games against different opponents just days after teams are selected is not an accurate indication of where teams should be placed.

This is the third year of the parity tournament so the EHF has 2 seasons of data. Look at the number of Black division teams that get through parity and can't win more than a few of games all season. That should be all they need to know the system is broken and they need to fix it.


not having any skin in the game. the explanation you give aims at the tournament itself not at the falcons. agreed that there could be improvements. but that could be said for all "try-outs" - they are not necessarily indicative who is the better team/player. anyway, so why the falcons?


My argument is that this parity tournament process is to decide which teams will be competitive in the Black division. I don't think that there's anyone that could argue the Falcons wouldn't be competitive. They had a couple of close losses this weekend. Does that mean they couldn't compete? I don't think so. If they are on the bubble then I would lean towards letting them in. They've proven themselves. It may be a more difficult argument for the Terriers Red team since they got blown out 11-1 against the Flames.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Parity at the Bantam minor level for next season is tough, especially considering that there is no checking in the tournament. Once the kids start checking during the season, it will make a big difference with a number of teams. But the parity tournament is nothing but a money grab by the EHF anyway. Look at all the teams that participated in it, each one paying $1k. Its just a way for the founding member rinks to sell some extra ice time and make more from their concession stands. Their "parity" means nothing when the season starts.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Parity at the Bantam minor level for next season is tough, especially considering that there is no checking in the tournament. Once the kids start checking during the season, it will make a big difference with a number of teams. But the parity tournament is nothing but a money grab by the EHF anyway. Look at all the teams that participated in it, each one paying $1k. Its just a way for the founding member rinks to sell some extra ice time and make more from their concession stands. Their "parity" means nothing when the season starts.


While it's pretty crazy to hold off checking until they are this old, it isn't that big of a deal once it's implemented. The parents seem to worry about it more than the kids and certainly they the parents think it's such a game changer when it isn't. It's still hockey.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Why were the Northstars not in the parity tournament at the 03 level?

Rule #1 for the event was that "No teams will automatically qualify for the top grouping."

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

2003 Nortstars were scheduled to play. Were originally on the schedule. Manchester Flames dropped out of the Tournament at the last minute. With only 17 teams they could not redo the schedule and make it work. Northsatrs get the bye. Maybe Northstars and Flames had a deal? Just saying.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
2003 Nortstars were scheduled to play. Were originally on the schedule. Manchester Flames dropped out of the Tournament at the last minute. With only 17 teams they could not redo the schedule and make it work. Northsatrs get the bye. Maybe Northstars and Flames had a deal? Just saying.


Thanks for clarifying.

Re: EHF Tier 1 Parity

Anon
Anon
Anon
2004 Results

1. Northstars Hockey Club 4 3 0 1 7 19 6 0.240
2. Greater Boston Vipers 4 3 0 1 7 21 7 0.250
3. Woonsocket North Stars 4 3 0 1 7 16 8 0.333
4. Islanders Hockey Club 4 3 1 0 6 17 6 0.261
5. Minuteman Flames (G) 4 3 1 0 6 25 10 0.286
6. Providence Jr. Friars 4 3 1 0 6 20 11 0.355
7. South Shore Kings 4 3 1 0 6 19 11 0.367
8. Bay State Breakers 4 3 1 0 6 17 12 0.414
_____________________________________________________________________________
9. Boston Jr. Huskies 4 2 1 1 5 18 18 0.500
10. New England Jr. Falcons 4 1 2 1 3 10 11 0.524
11. Boston Jr. Terriers (R) 4 1 2 1 3 12 21 0.636
12. Dual State River Hawks 4 0 3 1 1 7 19 0.731
13. Manchester Flames 4 0 3 1 1 7 20 0.741
14. North Shore Shamrocks 4 0 4 0 0 11 25 0.694
15. Boston Jr. Eagles 4 0 4 0 0 8 24 0.750
16. Boston Bandits 4 0 4 0 0 7 25 0.781


More like...

1 Greater Boston Vipers
2 Northstars
3 Woonsocket
4 Bay State Breakers
5 Minuteman Flames G
6 Islanders Hockey Club
7 Providence Friars
8 South Shore Kings
9 Huskies
10 Boston Jr Terriers (R)
11 New England Falcons
12 Dual State Riverhawks
13 Manhester Flames
14 Northshore Shamrocks
15 Boston Bandits
16 Boston Jr Eagles
17 Top Gun
18 Boston Jr. Terriers (W)
19 Crimson Hockey Club
20 Providence Capitals
21 Minuteman Flames (R)


Top 8 teams all had 3 wins. The Falcons deserve the upper division.



The Falcons went 1-2-1 Why would they "deserve" to be in the upper division?


There are 21 teams, go with 11 in the Black and 10 in the White. Falcons were the 3rd place team in the Black last year.