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Hockey Advisors

What gives??? It is creepy that people are trying to start businesses based on telling you where to place your child in youth hockey.

Just looking for input

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Might be creepy but you see kids all of the time (at least starting when they get 13-14'ish) and you wonder "How did this kid ever make this team?" "what is this kid doing playing at this tournament?" or "How did that kid get drafted to the USHL or the Q" and you have to believe it is either the parent's P.R. machine that get all of the newsletter guys writing on a kid or family advisers.

Now granted sometimes these kids get exposed and they fall back to where they belong but really there are many examples of kids that ride the wave and land college deals based on 'reputation,' name recognition and the teams they played for as kids. And before the old timers chime-in with "that's B.S., no college coach would fall for that..." - believe me there are numerous, numerous kids we can all point to so save it.

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anon
Might be creepy but you see kids all of the time (at least starting when they get 13-14'ish) and you wonder "How did this kid ever make this team?" "what is this kid doing playing at this tournament?" or "How did that kid get drafted to the USHL or the Q" and you have to believe it is either the parent's P.R. machine that get all of the newsletter guys writing on a kid or family advisers.

Now granted sometimes these kids get exposed and they fall back to where they belong but really there are many examples of kids that ride the wave and land college deals based on 'reputation,' name recognition and the teams they played for as kids. And before the old timers chime-in with "that's B.S., no college coach would fall for that..." - believe me there are numerous, numerous kids we can all point to so save it.


what's a hockey advisor?

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anon
Might be creepy but you see kids all of the time (at least starting when they get 13-14'ish) and you wonder "How did this kid ever make this team?" "what is this kid doing playing at this tournament?" or "How did that kid get drafted to the USHL or the Q" and you have to believe it is either the parent's P.R. machine that get all of the newsletter guys writing on a kid or family advisers.

Now granted sometimes these kids get exposed and they fall back to where they belong but really there are many examples of kids that ride the wave and land college deals based on 'reputation,' name recognition and the teams they played for as kids. And before the old timers chime-in with "that's B.S., no college coach would fall for that..." - believe me there are numerous, numerous kids we can all point to so save it.


what's a hockey advisor?


Basically an agent. Someone who can steer a kid on to a top notch program. Every youth sport has them but baseball is more notorious for them.

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anon
Might be creepy but you see kids all of the time (at least starting when they get 13-14'ish) and you wonder "How did this kid ever make this team?" "what is this kid doing playing at this tournament?" or "How did that kid get drafted to the USHL or the Q" and you have to believe it is either the parent's P.R. machine that get all of the newsletter guys writing on a kid or family advisers.

Now granted sometimes these kids get exposed and they fall back to where they belong but really there are many examples of kids that ride the wave and land college deals based on 'reputation,' name recognition and the teams they played for as kids. And before the old timers chime-in with "that's B.S., no college coach would fall for that..." - believe me there are numerous, numerous kids we can all point to so save it.


Look at the local kid who played full season BA, parlayed that into a Dartmouth comitt, a spot on a USHL team, got bounced down to the NAHL and is still scheduled to go to Dartmouth. 200+ games and 3 goals? Wouldn't make a top pairing at a good public. Sounds like a job of a good Adviser

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anon
anon
Might be creepy but you see kids all of the time (at least starting when they get 13-14'ish) and you wonder "How did this kid ever make this team?" "what is this kid doing playing at this tournament?" or "How did that kid get drafted to the USHL or the Q" and you have to believe it is either the parent's P.R. machine that get all of the newsletter guys writing on a kid or family advisers.

Now granted sometimes these kids get exposed and they fall back to where they belong but really there are many examples of kids that ride the wave and land college deals based on 'reputation,' name recognition and the teams they played for as kids. And before the old timers chime-in with "that's B.S., no college coach would fall for that..." - believe me there are numerous, numerous kids we can all point to so save it.


Look at the local kid who played full season BA, parlayed that into a Dartmouth comitt, a spot on a USHL team, got bounced down to the NAHL and is still scheduled to go to Dartmouth. 200+ games and 3 goals? Wouldn't make a top pairing at a good public. Sounds like a job of a good Adviser


Yeah - he was good a few years ago but look at him now he got a partial scholarship whoever handled him did a great job.

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Anon
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anon
Might be creepy but you see kids all of the time (at least starting when they get 13-14'ish) and you wonder "How did this kid ever make this team?" "what is this kid doing playing at this tournament?" or "How did that kid get drafted to the USHL or the Q" and you have to believe it is either the parent's P.R. machine that get all of the newsletter guys writing on a kid or family advisers.

Now granted sometimes these kids get exposed and they fall back to where they belong but really there are many examples of kids that ride the wave and land college deals based on 'reputation,' name recognition and the teams they played for as kids. And before the old timers chime-in with "that's B.S., no college coach would fall for that..." - believe me there are numerous, numerous kids we can all point to so save it.


Look at the local kid who played full season BA, parlayed that into a Dartmouth comitt, a spot on a USHL team, got bounced down to the NAHL and is still scheduled to go to Dartmouth. 200+ games and 3 goals? Wouldn't make a top pairing at a good public. Sounds like a job of a good Adviser


Yeah - he was good a few years ago but look at him now he got a partial scholarship whoever handled him did a great job.


No athletic scholarships at Ivy's, only financial aid.

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Anon
Anon
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anon
Might be creepy but you see kids all of the time (at least starting when they get 13-14'ish) and you wonder "How did this kid ever make this team?" "what is this kid doing playing at this tournament?" or "How did that kid get drafted to the USHL or the Q" and you have to believe it is either the parent's P.R. machine that get all of the newsletter guys writing on a kid or family advisers.

Now granted sometimes these kids get exposed and they fall back to where they belong but really there are many examples of kids that ride the wave and land college deals based on 'reputation,' name recognition and the teams they played for as kids. And before the old timers chime-in with "that's B.S., no college coach would fall for that..." - believe me there are numerous, numerous kids we can all point to so save it.


Look at the local kid who played full season BA, parlayed that into a Dartmouth comitt, a spot on a USHL team, got bounced down to the NAHL and is still scheduled to go to Dartmouth. 200+ games and 3 goals? Wouldn't make a top pairing at a good public. Sounds like a job of a good Adviser


Yeah - he was good a few years ago but look at him now he got a partial scholarship whoever handled him did a great job.


No athletic scholarships at Ivy's, only financial aid.


True - but I really want to know, how much are people paying those advisors?

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You are not allowed to pay advisors…then they would become an agent. A legit advisor won't take any payment. The advisors goal is collect a clientele of players that hopefully will become professionals down the road and keep them as agents.

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Where do you find these guys? Isn't the reason we pay all this tuition each year for some guidance from the organization with contacting these coaches and looking at upcoming options.

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If your kid is good enough, hockey advisers find you.

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anon
Where do you find these guys? Isn't the reason we pay all this tuition each year for some guidance from the organization with contacting these coaches and looking at upcoming options.


In all honesty - if your kid is good enough they will find you. You really don't have to go out and seek an advisor. If they feel your son is a good enough player that has professional potential they will contact you. Organizations are useless for the most part. You are paying for ice time and coaching and thats it.

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anon
anon
Where do you find these guys? Isn't the reason we pay all this tuition each year for some guidance from the organization with contacting these coaches and looking at upcoming options.


In all honesty - if your kid is good enough they will find you. You really don't have to go out and seek an advisor. If they feel your son is a good enough player that has professional potential they will contact you. Organizations are useless for the most part. You are paying for ice time and coaching and thats it.


What age do they start contacting you?

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anon
anon
Where do you find these guys? Isn't the reason we pay all this tuition each year for some guidance from the organization with contacting these coaches and looking at upcoming options.


In all honesty - if your kid is good enough they will find you. You really don't have to go out and seek an advisor. If they feel your son is a good enough player that has professional potential they will contact you. Organizations are useless for the most part. You are paying for ice time and coaching and thats it.


my kid has had an advisor/agent since he was 15, they don't charge us a dime, but they hope if your kid can play some type of pro level, they will negotiate his contract and take their percentage.

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Anon
anon
anon
Where do you find these guys? Isn't the reason we pay all this tuition each year for some guidance from the organization with contacting these coaches and looking at upcoming options.


In all honesty - if your kid is good enough they will find you. You really don't have to go out and seek an advisor. If they feel your son is a good enough player that has professional potential they will contact you. Organizations are useless for the most part. You are paying for ice time and coaching and thats it.


my kid has had an advisor/agent since he was 15, they don't charge us a dime, but they hope if your kid can play some type of pro level, they will negotiate his contract and take their percentage.


Who is he. What company does he work for. Love to hear some facts from anyone who uses one.

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Anon
anon
anon
Where do you find these guys? Isn't the reason we pay all this tuition each year for some guidance from the organization with contacting these coaches and looking at upcoming options.


In all honesty - if your kid is good enough they will find you. You really don't have to go out and seek an advisor. If they feel your son is a good enough player that has professional potential they will contact you. Organizations are useless for the most part. You are paying for ice time and coaching and thats it.


my kid has had an advisor/agent since he was 15, they don't charge us a dime, but they hope if your kid can play some type of pro level, they will negotiate his contract and take their percentage.


Your kid doesn't have an advisor, he has an agent. Make sure you don't tell anyone about this agreement because he just threw away his NCAA eligibility. NCAA prohibits any student athlete from receiving services without paying for them.

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Anon
Anon
anon
anon
Where do you find these guys? Isn't the reason we pay all this tuition each year for some guidance from the organization with contacting these coaches and looking at upcoming options.


In all honesty - if your kid is good enough they will find you. You really don't have to go out and seek an advisor. If they feel your son is a good enough player that has professional potential they will contact you. Organizations are useless for the most part. You are paying for ice time and coaching and thats it.


my kid has had an advisor/agent since he was 15, they don't charge us a dime, but they hope if your kid can play some type of pro level, they will negotiate his contract and take their percentage.


Your kid doesn't have an advisor, he has an agent. Make sure you don't tell anyone about this agreement because he just threw away his NCAA eligibility. NCAA prohibits any student athlete from receiving services without paying for them.


What services is his kid receiving that deserves compensation? Seriously asking? Getting advice?

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I'll be your advisor. $3,000 please.

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Unless the advisor can give your kid athleticism and desire, I wouldn't pay him. There is such a small number of kids that have any chance of drawing a single paycheck playing this game, it's not even worth discussing on this board.

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anon
Anon
Anon
anon
anon
Where do you find these guys? Isn't the reason we pay all this tuition each year for some guidance from the organization with contacting these coaches and looking at upcoming options.


In all honesty - if your kid is good enough they will find you. You really don't have to go out and seek an advisor. If they feel your son is a good enough player that has professional potential they will contact you. Organizations are useless for the most part. You are paying for ice time and coaching and thats it.


my kid has had an advisor/agent since he was 15, they don't charge us a dime, but they hope if your kid can play some type of pro level, they will negotiate his contract and take their percentage.


Your kid doesn't have an advisor, he has an agent. Make sure you don't tell anyone about this agreement because he just threw away his NCAA eligibility. NCAA prohibits any student athlete from receiving services without paying for them.


What services is his kid receiving that deserves compensation? Seriously asking? Getting advice?


He is receiving something of value, in this case representation on his behalf (advisory services) free of cost. That's something that is not available to the other non-athletes free of charge. By NCAA definition, that is a violation. Think of Ohio State a couple years ago when football players were getting tattoos for free. Same type of thing. An athlete getting something for free that's not available to non-athletes.

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Anon
anon
Anon
Anon
anon
anon
Where do you find these guys? Isn't the reason we pay all this tuition each year for some guidance from the organization with contacting these coaches and looking at upcoming options.


In all honesty - if your kid is good enough they will find you. You really don't have to go out and seek an advisor. If they feel your son is a good enough player that has professional potential they will contact you. Organizations are useless for the most part. You are paying for ice time and coaching and thats it.


my kid has had an advisor/agent since he was 15, they don't charge us a dime, but they hope if your kid can play some type of pro level, they will negotiate his contract and take their percentage.


Your kid doesn't have an advisor, he has an agent. Make sure you don't tell anyone about this agreement because he just threw away his NCAA eligibility. NCAA prohibits any student athlete from receiving services without paying for them.


What services is his kid receiving that deserves compensation? Seriously asking? Getting advice?


He is receiving something of value, in this case representation on his behalf (advisory services) free of cost. That's something that is not available to the other non-athletes free of charge. By NCAA definition, that is a violation. Think of Ohio State a couple years ago when football players were getting tattoos for free. Same type of thing. An athlete getting something for free that's not available to non-athletes.



So how about if you ask a youth coach if you should do a tournament? Thats advice too. Or another parent. The tattoo isn't relevant as thats a tangible service received for free.

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Anon
anon
anon
Where do you find these guys? Isn't the reason we pay all this tuition each year for some guidance from the organization with contacting these coaches and looking at upcoming options.


In all honesty - if your kid is good enough they will find you. You really don't have to go out and seek an advisor. If they feel your son is a good enough player that has professional potential they will contact you. Organizations are useless for the most part. You are paying for ice time and coaching and thats it.


my kid has had an advisor/agent since he was 15, they don't charge us a dime, but they hope if your kid can play some type of pro level, they will negotiate his contract and take their percentage.

people are so full of sh*t .

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anon
Anon
anon
anon
Where do you find these guys? Isn't the reason we pay all this tuition each year for some guidance from the organization with contacting these coaches and looking at upcoming options.


In all honesty - if your kid is good enough they will find you. You really don't have to go out and seek an advisor. If they feel your son is a good enough player that has professional potential they will contact you. Organizations are useless for the most part. You are paying for ice time and coaching and thats it.


my kid has had an advisor/agent since he was 15, they don't charge us a dime, but they hope if your kid can play some type of pro level, they will negotiate his contract and take their percentage.

people are so full of sh*t .


No. I'm not full of sh t, will be a freshman at a hockey east school next season

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anon
You are not allowed to pay advisors…then they would become an agent. A legit advisor won't take any payment. The advisors goal is collect a clientele of players that hopefully will become professionals down the road and keep them as agents.


Keep saying this to yourself while your kid loses his NCAA eligibility. This is 100% false. Advisors charge an annual fee for their services. An agent on the other hand works with the hope of taking a percentage of future earnings. NCAA prohibits a student athlete from having an agent but allows advisors since the student athlete (or parents) are paying for the service.

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Might be creepy but you see kids all of the time (at least starting when they get 13-14'ish) and you wonder "How did this kid ever make this team?" "what is this kid doing playing at this tournament?" or "How did that kid get drafted to the USHL or the Q" and you have to believe it is either the parent's P.R. machine that get all of the newsletter guys writing on a kid or family advisers.

Now granted sometimes these kids get exposed and they fall back to where they belong but really there are many examples of kids that ride the wave and land college deals based on 'reputation,' name recognition and the teams they played for as kids. And before the old timers chime-in with "that's B.S., no college coach would fall for that..." - believe me there are numerous, numerous kids we can all point to so save it.


Look at the local kid who played full season BA, parlayed that into a Dartmouth comitt, a spot on a USHL team, got bounced down to the NAHL and is still scheduled to go to Dartmouth. 200+ games and 3 goals? Wouldn't make a top pairing at a good public. Sounds like a job of a good Adviser


Wouldn't make top pairing at a good public??? You have an axe to grind with a 20 year old kid? You may need a spelling advisor after that post as well get a life you turd

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Anon
anon
anon
Might be creepy but you see kids all of the time (at least starting when they get 13-14'ish) and you wonder "How did this kid ever make this team?" "what is this kid doing playing at this tournament?" or "How did that kid get drafted to the USHL or the Q" and you have to believe it is either the parent's P.R. machine that get all of the newsletter guys writing on a kid or family advisers.

Now granted sometimes these kids get exposed and they fall back to where they belong but really there are many examples of kids that ride the wave and land college deals based on 'reputation,' name recognition and the teams they played for as kids. And before the old timers chime-in with "that's B.S., no college coach would fall for that..." - believe me there are numerous, numerous kids we can all point to so save it.


Look at the local kid who played full season BA, parlayed that into a Dartmouth comitt, a spot on a USHL team, got bounced down to the NAHL and is still scheduled to go to Dartmouth. 200+ games and 3 goals? Wouldn't make a top pairing at a good public. Sounds like a job of a good Adviser


Wouldn't make top pairing at a good public??? You have an axe to grind with a 20 year old kid? You may need a spelling advisor after that post as well get a life you turd


The guy might actually be right, I know the story. I think his point was (in hindsight) maybe he should have stayed here locally and grew-up just as a kid playing hockey for his high school. I suppose you don't know until you try playing at a higher level but the writing should have been on the wall after the first month, not 4 years.

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This is fascinating. Seeing the info must be public, can anyone name a few of these Advisors in New England? How old are the kids they target, I assume Bantam Major and up?

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anon
This is fascinating. Seeing the info must be public, can anyone name a few of these Advisors in New England? How old are the kids they target, I assume Bantam Major and up?


As stated you don't find them but they find you. They don't advertise online unless it's someone who runs some kind of skills program. They won't call or email you, they will introduce themselves at the rink. You won't see it coming. That being said,you don't need one. 90% of what these people do you can do yourself and if your kid is really good the coaches will find you. You won't need an advisor, advocate, or family friend or whatever they are calling themselves these days

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So your just at the rink and a mysterious unnamed person is watching a Pee Wee hockey game and walks up to ask who owns that player. No one ever askes for a name they just have a burn phone they use to communicate with this unknown person and then
Bam! Your kid is on the road to Pro Hockey.
WTF is wrong with you people? Are we considering skill guys advisors? For all the people who are on this board,
Not 1 can drop a name

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Thread opened 700 times. Not 1 name

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Anon
Thread opened 700 times. Not 1 name

Guys only losers are on this board what do you think

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Anon
Thread opened 700 times. Not 1 name


Because if you have to ask to know who are agents/advisors, your kid isn't good enough.

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Anon
Anon
Thread opened 700 times. Not 1 name


Because if you have to ask to know who are agents/advisors, your kid isn't good enough.


My kid is 10

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Anon
Thread opened 700 times. Not 1 name


I think these guys sponsored a couple local scrimmages with Midget and Prep teams a few years ago looking at / for kids. I think you can chat with them online even though I never tried -

http://hockeyfamilyadvisor.com/

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Anon
So your just at the rink and a mysterious unnamed person is watching a Pee Wee hockey game and walks up to ask who owns that player. No one ever askes for a name they just have a burn phone they use to communicate with this unknown person and then
Bam! Your kid is on the road to Pro Hockey.
WTF is wrong with you people? Are we considering skill guys advisors? For all the people who are on this board,
Not 1 can drop a name


unless your kid is the next Crosby or Ovechkin don't worry about it. Here's a little bit of advice, talk to your kid's coach about his weaknesses and strengths and then find a skills guy that both of you like that will push your kid. Talk to your kid's coach towards the middle of the season to gauge how it's going and tweak your kids workouts if necessary. For now though it's spring. Relax and enjoy the nice weather

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It's pretty simple folks. Certified NHLPA agents are all listed here: http://www.nhlpa.com/inside-nhlpa/certified-player-agents. There are tons of them affiliated with small or big agencies, some national with regional offices or even international. These agents act as "advisors" for kids going the NCAA route. These certified NHL agents are really the only "true hockey advisors" and they forego any meaningful compensation from NCAA bound families/players until a pro contract is signed when they officially become the player's agent. The USHL and College Hockey INC websites probably have additional details. Prodigies (read potential 1st round NHL picks, 100% definite NCAA caliber top line players) are courted by these agents as young as 13-14 which, while wacky, is the way it is.

Any non certified NHLPA agent who claiming to be an "advisor" is probably no different than the basketball runners who funnel kids to colleges. There are likely some payout for them (cash under the table from boosters, kids participating at their camps, etc). If your kid needs help from these advisors who are not real agents, your kid is not really on any radar other than to get in the queue for some pay-to-play league. The real agents have a pulse on the prospect pipeline and have established businesses where they take on selected clientele that have a foreseeable payout at the NHL level where they get 3-5% of pro players as a commission for services - aka they are not in the business to make $1k or $2k from signing up a kid to play Tier I/II/III U16/U18 or junior hockey.

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It's pretty simple folks. Certified NHLPA agents are all listed here: http://www.nhlpa.com/inside-nhlpa/certified-player-agents. There are tons of them affiliated with small or big agencies, some national with regional offices or even international. These agents act as "advisors" for kids going the NCAA route. These certified NHL agents are really the only "true hockey advisors" and they forego any meaningful compensation from NCAA bound families/players until a pro contract is signed when they officially become the player's agent. The USHL and College Hockey INC websites probably have additional details. Prodigies (read potential 1st round NHL picks, 100% definite NCAA caliber top line players) are courted by these agents as young as 13-14 which, while wacky, is the way it is.

Any non certified NHLPA agent who claiming to be an "advisor" is probably no different than the basketball runners who funnel kids to colleges. There are likely some payout for them (cash under the table from boosters, kids participating at their camps, etc). If your kid needs help from these advisors who are not real agents, your kid is not really on any radar other than to get in the queue for some pay-to-play league. The real agents have a pulse on the prospect pipeline and have established businesses where they take on selected clientele that have a foreseeable payout at the NHL level where they get 3-5% of pro players as a commission for services - aka they are not in the business to make $1k or $2k from signing up a kid to play Tier I/II/III U16/U18 or junior hockey.


This person has hit the nail right on the head, couldn't have said it any better.

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I believe that Bobby Orr was the family advisor for Noah Hanifin and he is now his agent.

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Correct re Hanifin and Orr - numerous agencies/agents were courting the family to serve as Noah's advisor until he turned pro. One of the big reasons these prodigies get advisors is to navigate the ladder until they are in the NHL. The Canadian Hockey League (CHL) is a junior league comprised of three leagues (think conferences for NCAA) - the WHL, OHL, and QMJHL. Any player signing a contract and playing in the CHL - regardless of which of the 3 leagues (which each have specific territory rights in the US) is deemed ineligible for the NCAA. So it is a pretty big decision for 15/16 year old prodigies (even though they are still kids) to decide which route - CHL or NCAA - makes the most sense. Advisors can help with this process and should the family pick the NCAA route these advisors help the family sort out where they should play until they enroll in college. If the family chooses the CHL the advisor can immediately become the player's agent and sign a formal contract. Once the NHL draft rolls around, regardless if the player is in the CHL or in the NCAA (or committed to the NCAA) the agent/advisor deals with the NHL teams on the player's behalf.