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Re: Elite players in Town hockey

Anon
anon
Anon
There it is, The old town Daddy coach excuse again. Of course you realize the vast majority of coaches in select hockey are also daddy coaches whose kids are playing for free and more often than not playing at a higher level than they probably should be. It's a sweet deal if you can get it.

In a nut shell, the top major year town teams are normally very solid and in most cases a step up from the minor year select teams. (The kids are older, bigger and stronger so it only stands to reason.) These top Major year town teams, especially at the upper levels (Bantams/Pee Wee's) are typically populated with a good number of select players who use it to get an extra practice and game a week. (Remember the good old days when it used to be the other way around and in order to play select you had to be rostered on a town team. If you haven't figured it out, Hockey has become all about the money people, your money.) If your player is one of the town kids that never makes a major team as a minor year player, then playing just select is probably the way to go because the drop off roster wise on the minor year teams can be pretty dramatic. If your player is one of the minor year kids that plays on the top major year team AND wants the extra practice/game a week, then it's a no brainer. Let them play both. The top Major team/major season year may be a wash, but if you're kid is having fun who cares, he's still getting the extra practice/game a week and working on his game.

Lastly, remember town hockey may be the only opportunity older birth year kids get to play with kids a year ahead of them in grade level. Do you really want you're player to get to high school never having played with kids that were older, bigger, stronger than them. It's the unspoken flaw in the birth year select system that hockey has become.


I know daddy coaches are every where in hockey.I personally don't mind it cuz if I was able to I would volunteer to coach.It's an opportunity to help in the community and spend time with my son.A coach puts in a lot of time and energy in to this so his kid playing for free is the least an organization can do but what really bothered me though isn't so much that he would be on the town B or C team it's that this coach had already decided well before try outs what his team would be.Being new to hockey at the time it was a little off putting so when he tried out for club hockey and made the elite team I'll admit at the time it was a tiny bit of an ego boost.Knowing what I know now I understand having the team picked before try outs is how it is. He works on his game really hard in season and skates 5 or 6 days a week.The kid absolutely loves the game and he wants to be the best.His town friends don't put in that kind of work which is why in part he is better.

I understand your point about playing with older kids and he does that in season and it helps his game some playing against kids slightly bigger than him.I want town to be good.It's less expensive but the competition just isn't there.I want him to have fun that's the most important thing to me but he wants to be challenged which is more important to him.I was recently looking at what our town offers and I don't like it.No skills but you get 2 practices and a game.How is a kid supposed to get better when you don't offer skills? is that normal? I ask cuz I don't know.I think there is room for both town and club hockey and neither one is better than the other.It's about a kid finding a place where he fits in and enjoys the game.


Maybe your child really is that dedicated to the sport and will keep up this pace. Maybe.

This still seems more like the conversation from an adult pushing their child than an extremely self-motivated kid. If that really is the case you should be prepared sometime in the next five years for the, "Dad. I don't want to do this anymore" speech because it's most likely coming.


No pushing on my part.If I see a skill session or clinic in season that he can do I ask him if he wants to do it, if he does great and if he doesn't that's great too but I leave it entirely up to him and that's how it should be.In the spring and summer the skates get put away and its time to move on to other things.

In 5 years he very well may say he doesn't want to play hockey anymore and if that day comes then so be it.I don't live through him.He is his own person and remember this is supposed to be for fun,if he's not having fun anymore then it is time to move on.I don't live through him.I had my time and now it's his.I was talking to a parent one day and he was telling me that hockey was an investment.I fear for that kid if he ever tells his dad that he doesn't want to play anymore.It's all about the kids people.Enjoy it while you can no matter where your kids play at whether it be club or town

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Not one player, parent or coach on a town team wants a player who only comes once in a while to show off his skills

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If you have an 06 that is so arrogant that he would consider playing with his friends from school a waste of time, you have more issues than we are talking about here. You should help him to get his priorities straight because he sounds exactly like the elitist, self-serving brats that are being brought up in this generation thinking that somebody owes them something.

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It's not so much the 'daddy coaches' that killed town hockey it's more the daddy selection process and the BOD of daddies to go along with it all. The 'daddy coaches' that coach in select hockey at least they see the lay of the land - the daddy coaches in town hockey I worry for them and their kids. "Here, play with these kids...here you will be on the PP and the PK and score 3-4 goals a game....that's what it is all about."

Valley league town hockey is good? I have no clue. Go watch a South Shore Conference town hockey game and you will laugh your tail off. You just won't believe it. On the South Shore the kid has to leave after Squirts....as in he MUST leave.

Re: Elite players in Town hockey

anon
It's not so much the 'daddy coaches' that killed town hockey it's more the daddy selection process and the BOD of daddies to go along with it all. The 'daddy coaches' that coach in select hockey at least they see the lay of the land - the daddy coaches in town hockey I worry for them and their kids. "Here, play with these kids...here you will be on the PP and the PK and score 3-4 goals a game....that's what it is all about."

Valley league town hockey is good? I have no clue. Go watch a South Shore Conference town hockey game and you will laugh your tail off. You just won't believe it. On the South Shore the kid has to leave after Squirts....as in he MUST leave.


Unfortunately you are absolutely correct.

Re: Elite players in Town hockey

anon
If you have an 06 that is so arrogant that he would consider playing with his friends from school a waste of time, you have more issues than we are talking about here. You should help him to get his priorities straight because he sounds exactly like the elitist, self-serving brats that are being brought up in this generation thinking that somebody owes them something.


He's actually a very respectful and quiet kid who works hard.We are not a hockey family.We don't really know anybody so there is no one looking out for him.I teach him that if he wants to stay at the level he is currently at he needs to put the work in and be twice as good as the other kids on his team.I teach him that he is entitled to nothing in life and the kid has taken that to heart and has developed a great work ethic that will serve him well in life no matter what he ends up doing.He does stick and puck with his friends.They joke around when on the ice and play pick up games but when it comes to competing and being in a competitive setting, town hockey doesn't do it for him and he's just not interested in playing with them and apparently one of his other friends feels the same way since he's leaving town and playing on a club team next season.I guess that makes him arrogant and an elitist too

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Its not "fun" for town teams to have a player show up and play once in a while. It is actually insulting to the other players and any normal coach would not want it. It would never fly in the EHF so why is it fine in town?

Re: Elite players in Town hockey

jam
Its not "fun" for town teams to have a player show up and play once in a while. It is actually insulting to the other players and any normal coach would not want it. It would never fly in the EHF so why is it fine in town?


It's fine in town hockey because town hockey is recreational, just for fun and not too serious. If a kid wants developmental, serious, competitive hockey they leave and those leagues should (and do) have more stringent rules.

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Parents and players take town hockey very serious. Most of the players don't have the skill to leave and play at a higher level so they play where it is appropriate for them.
But saying it is recreational and for fun is wrong.
Travel hockey is travel hockey. Maybe you are talking inhouse?

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If people are taking recreational / Town hockey 'seriously' then it time to move up. It's a place to try hockey and see if you like it - nothing more.

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Move up to what? I have both a town and elite player and both sets of players parents and coaches take it serious. Not all kids are good enough to play out of town hockey and guess what...after the EHF most of those kids won't be good enough to go any further than possibly high school hockey.
You need to look at what kids sports are really about. Let me give you a hint..
It's not about being the next big superstar.

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Hey so enjoy it. If you want to spend your Saturday afternoons whacking a puck around and laughing it up in an 8-0 victory over some rancid team of misfit toys and football players trying something new for the first time then that's great! But please hold the 'they take it seriously' stuff. You can put lipstick on a pig and at the end of the day it's still a pig. Just enjoy it and see it for what it is.

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I do see it for what it is. It is kids playing the game of hockey and taking it serious. The better question is what do you see your elite hockey as? A stepping stone to some professional hockey career? With 90% of the players I would doubt even college hockey? I think you need to take a step back and take it for what it is. Yes better quality hockey than town but still just kids, soccer players, baseball players smacking a puck around. Enjoy your Saturdays at the rink.

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Kids that are interested in actually getting better at a sport, playing with a goal or goals, putting in the time with a commitment to a sport. I go sown to the beach and play volleyball but I have no plans if being good at it or being serious about it.

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Town hockey players do put in the time and commitment and get better. Kids do not have to play EHF hockey to be hockey players. They take it serious because it is their team. I think you are forgetting who hockey is serious for. You do realize it is serious for your child and not you right? Have you ever seen a 6 year old play basketball or baseball? As a parent we know it's not "the game" of baseball but to the player it is. In the car they will recap plays, bad calls by the umpire, catches, missed, their team game they take serious.

I got a good giggle out of your goals comment. What big goals does your child have with hockey? The NHL? College? What is he 8 or 9?

Re: Elite players in Town hockey

jam
Town hockey players do put in the time and commitment and get better. Kids do not have to play EHF hockey to be hockey players. They take it serious because it is their team. I think you are forgetting who hockey is serious for. You do realize it is serious for your child and not you right? Have you ever seen a 6 year old play basketball or baseball? As a parent we know it's not "the game" of baseball but to the player it is. In the car they will recap plays, bad calls by the umpire, catches, missed, their team game they take serious.

I got a good giggle out of your goals comment. What big goals does your child have with hockey? The NHL? College? What is he 8 or 9?


Hey, thanks for worrrying about my kids. I'll pray for your's tonight.

Re: Elite players in Town hockey

anon
If people are taking recreational / Town hockey 'seriously' then it time to move up. It's a place to try hockey and see if you like it - nothing more.


the upper valley divisions are very competitive (especially in the older age groups). they will give lower club (lets stop calling it select) teams all they can handle. you seriously think a club tier 2 is THAT much better than town? or a poor tier 1 would not be in trouble.

so why do town --- $1,800 +/- per season and rinks within 30 minutes for nearly the same amount of ice time. the biggest advantage for club is practice time consistency (town, especially at the lower levels is all over the place).

lastly many town players join club in the bantam years -- to which those club teams are only to happy to 'take credit for' in HS.

why do you (club parents as a group) care?
why are you threaten by parents that chose a different route (town)?
why is ONLY serious hockey in club (especially at the younger age groups)?
why do you think paying $3k plus, then traveling to enfield for 90 minute game is going to change 'everything' at age 8?
if club is so great why are you changing teams every year?

i guess i am holding back the ocean while you recreate the wheel. come back when your child enters HS, i fear your outlook will be very different.

Re: Elite players in Town hockey

It sounds like the landscape north of Boston is very different than the rest of the region. I do know 8-10 years ago you could have made the same case for Town Hockey south of Boston but those horses have left the barn.

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The disconnect on this argument is that many of the club parents left town hockey before or during mites when the practice times were terrible and the vast majority of the kids lacked focus (kids were 5 or 6 years old). What those folks don't realize is that by peewee/bantam, the top team from each town actually plays pretty good hockey. Playing at that level can be a worthwhile endeavor for a player also on an EHF or E9 team.

And I'm talking about the top team at each age group, not the B or C team. Teams that are made up of mostly select players, so it's not one or two kids showing up when they can to take all the ice away from the regular players. It's a team almost exclusively made up of club players. Check the scores page for VHL Elite or AAA divisions. Lots of forfeits. That's because if a VHL game conflicts with a club game, most of the team can't make it and they are forced to forfeit.

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Your right about the disconnect, but it's not because of bad ice times and daddy coaches. It because these whack job 05/06 parents fled town hockey in mass in mites because they didn't want their kids playing the USA Hockey ADM cross ice hockey that the rest of the country has been using for over a decade. (Hum....has anyone checked how many MA kids were on the U18 national team roster lately?) I guess I'd be angry too if I'd been "forced" to pay for "select" hockey since before my kid could even tie his own skates. (And probably still can't) So forgive them for not knowing that some parents kept their kids in town hockey (oh the horror), or that many kids actually do play both town and "select" at the Pee Wee and Bantam level and there's nothing wrong with that, and that the upper level valley league, particularly at the Bantam level, is very solid (and physical) hockey. (Bantam is 02/03 this year for you "select" only types that only deal in birth year.) So let's all ease up on them. They've had it tough bouncing from program to program with their kids looking for a home. Give them a little time to figure out that in 2 to 3 years other kids will be allowed to hit their kids back (1 to 2 years if they play Valley League middle school hockey) that the E9 doesn't even exist after U14 (02 birth year this year for you "selectively" challenged parents) and that "select" hockey is a big money grab, even if it does give you a little better bump in competition over the minor year town teams. The only thing we ask of you in return is to please stop making asses out of yourselves in the rink and on the board, and just let your kids have some fun playing a great game. If they're lucky (and healthy) enough, hopefully they still want to and be able enjoy playing in high school.

Re: Elite players in Town hockey

Anon
Your right about the disconnect, but it's not because of bad ice times and daddy coaches. It because these whack job 05/06 parents fled town hockey in mass in mites because they didn't want their kids playing the USA Hockey ADM cross ice hockey that the rest of the country has been using for over a decade. (Hum....has anyone checked how many MA kids were on the U18 national team roster lately?) I guess I'd be angry too if I'd been "forced" to pay for "select" hockey since before my kid could even tie his own skates. (And probably still can't) So forgive them for not knowing that some parents kept their kids in town hockey (oh the horror), or that many kids actually do play both town and "select" at the Pee Wee and Bantam level and there's nothing wrong with that, and that the upper level valley league, particularly at the Bantam level, is very solid (and physical) hockey. (Bantam is 02/03 this year for you "select" only types that only deal in birth year.) So let's all ease up on them. They've had it tough bouncing from program to program with their kids looking for a home. Give them a little time to figure out that in 2 to 3 years other kids will be allowed to hit their kids back (1 to 2 years if they play Valley League middle school hockey) that the E9 doesn't even exist after U14 (02 birth year this year for you "selectively" challenged parents) and that "select" hockey is a big money grab, even if it does give you a little better bump in competition over the minor year town teams. The only thing we ask of you in return is to please stop making asses out of yourselves in the rink and on the board, and just let your kids have some fun playing a great game. If they're lucky (and healthy) enough, hopefully they still want to and be able enjoy playing in high school.

I'd say, the stronger the reaction your reaction is on her the bigger the ego of the parent. Judging by the above. You have one hell of an ego...

Re: Elite players in Town hockey

anon
Anon
Your right about the disconnect, but it's not because of bad ice times and daddy coaches. It because these whack job 05/06 parents fled town hockey in mass in mites because they didn't want their kids playing the USA Hockey ADM cross ice hockey that the rest of the country has been using for over a decade. (Hum....has anyone checked how many MA kids were on the U18 national team roster lately?) I guess I'd be angry too if I'd been "forced" to pay for "select" hockey since before my kid could even tie his own skates. (And probably still can't) So forgive them for not knowing that some parents kept their kids in town hockey (oh the horror), or that many kids actually do play both town and "select" at the Pee Wee and Bantam level and there's nothing wrong with that, and that the upper level valley league, particularly at the Bantam level, is very solid (and physical) hockey. (Bantam is 02/03 this year for you "select" only types that only deal in birth year.) So let's all ease up on them. They've had it tough bouncing from program to program with their kids looking for a home. Give them a little time to figure out that in 2 to 3 years other kids will be allowed to hit their kids back (1 to 2 years if they play Valley League middle school hockey) that the E9 doesn't even exist after U14 (02 birth year this year for you "selectively" challenged parents) and that "select" hockey is a big money grab, even if it does give you a little better bump in competition over the minor year town teams. The only thing we ask of you in return is to please stop making asses out of yourselves in the rink and on the board, and just let your kids have some fun playing a great game. If they're lucky (and healthy) enough, hopefully they still want to and be able enjoy playing in high school.

I'd say, the stronger the reaction your reaction is on her the bigger the ego of the parent. Judging by the above. You have one hell of an ego...


Sorry to touch a nerve with you 06 dad but it time to grow up. It's kids playing a game at whatever level or league they play in. (Some just cost more than others.) I hope all of your hockey dreams come true.

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I'm an 06 "elite" dad and I can't stand the elite nonsense. Some of the worse people around behind your back

Re: Elite players in Town hockey

Anon
anon
Anon
Your right about the disconnect, but it's not because of bad ice times and daddy coaches. It because these whack job 05/06 parents fled town hockey in mass in mites because they didn't want their kids playing the USA Hockey ADM cross ice hockey that the rest of the country has been using for over a decade. (Hum....has anyone checked how many MA kids were on the U18 national team roster lately?) I guess I'd be angry too if I'd been "forced" to pay for "select" hockey since before my kid could even tie his own skates. (And probably still can't) So forgive them for not knowing that some parents kept their kids in town hockey (oh the horror), or that many kids actually do play both town and "select" at the Pee Wee and Bantam level and there's nothing wrong with that, and that the upper level valley league, particularly at the Bantam level, is very solid (and physical) hockey. (Bantam is 02/03 this year for you "select" only types that only deal in birth year.) So let's all ease up on them. They've had it tough bouncing from program to program with their kids looking for a home. Give them a little time to figure out that in 2 to 3 years other kids will be allowed to hit their kids back (1 to 2 years if they play Valley League middle school hockey) that the E9 doesn't even exist after U14 (02 birth year this year for you "selectively" challenged parents) and that "select" hockey is a big money grab, even if it does give you a little better bump in competition over the minor year town teams. The only thing we ask of you in return is to please stop making asses out of yourselves in the rink and on the board, and just let your kids have some fun playing a great game. If they're lucky (and healthy) enough, hopefully they still want to and be able enjoy playing in high school.

I'd say, the stronger the reaction your reaction is on her the bigger the ego of the parent. Judging by the above. You have one hell of an ego...


Sorry to touch a nerve with you 06 dad but it time to grow up. It's kids playing a game at whatever level or league they play in. (Some just cost more than others.) I hope all of your hockey dreams come true.

I am just here for the entertainment value....