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Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

Anon
Club hockey is absolutely governed by USA hockey idiot


I love how misinformed people are on here, yet so confident with their answers.

Club hockey is unequivocally not governed by USA Hockey.. Like I said, they require the USA hockey registration in order to participate in USA Hockey sanctioned tournaments.

Some town teams are not even sanctioned by USA hockey and the only thing they lose is the ability to play in the national championships, just like club teams who are not eligible because they are not.

But to avoid confusion, lets start off slow. Do you know what "governed" or "absoultely" or "club hockey" means.

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

Anon
Anon
Club hockey is absolutely governed by USA hockey idiot


But to avoid confusion, lets start off slow. Do you know what "governed" or "absoultely" or "club hockey" means.
Not sure, but if there's a mirror in his bathroom, he know what an idiot looks like.

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

Wow. I always thought many of the people on this dboard are not the brightest. But this really proves it. All youth hockey teams registered with USA Hockey must absolutely follow all USA Hockey rules and regulations. This includes all ADM rules, coaches wearing helmets, having properly certified coaches, etc. The difference is Town Hockey programs feel obligated to follow these rules while club teams, like many of their parents, think they are better than everyone else so they don’t need to follow the rules. Most honest programs that play full ice games at the Mite level properly inform parents their Mite teams are not approved USA Hockey teams and their teams will not be registered with USA Hockey. This is why their Mite teams now have different names than their other teams. For example Boston Jr. Dogs (Jr. Terriers), Minuteman Sparks (Flames), etc.

These club programs that don’t follow USA Hockey regulations do it at their own peril. One of the main reasons programs register with USA Hockey is for the insurance. However, a program’s USA Hockey insurance becomes null and void if the program does not follow USA Hockey Rules and Regulations like requiring their coaches to wear helmets or following playing rules for their Mite teams, etc. You can’t pick and choose the rules you want to follow and ignore the rest. Nothing will change until a program suffers a major financial loss because USA Hockey Insurance denies coverage for the program’s failure to follow USA Hockey Rules and Regulations.

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

Anon
Wow. I always thought many of the people on this dboard are not the brightest. But this really proves it. All youth hockey teams registered with USA Hockey must absolutely follow all USA Hockey rules and regulations. This includes all ADM rules, coaches wearing helmets, having properly certified coaches, etc. The difference is Town Hockey programs feel obligated to follow these rules while club teams, like many of their parents, think they are better than everyone else so they don’t need to follow the rules. Most honest programs that play full ice games at the Mite level properly inform parents their Mite teams are not approved USA Hockey teams and their teams will not be registered with USA Hockey. This is why their Mite teams now have different names than their other teams. For example Boston Jr. Dogs (Jr. Terriers), Minuteman Sparks (Flames), etc.

These club programs that don’t follow USA Hockey regulations do it at their own peril. One of the main reasons programs register with USA Hockey is for the insurance. However, a program’s USA Hockey insurance becomes null and void if the program does not follow USA Hockey Rules and Regulations like requiring their coaches to wear helmets or following playing rules for their Mite teams, etc. You can’t pick and choose the rules you want to follow and ignore the rest. Nothing will change until a program suffers a major financial loss because USA Hockey Insurance denies coverage for the program’s failure to follow USA Hockey Rules and Regulations.


you really have no clue... registered with USA Hockey and governed by USA Hockey is two different things. Club teams are private teams that are not governed by the USA Hockey, for rules, discipline, coaching certifications etc... each player is registered with USA hockey, the club itself is not. Which is why no club teams are allowed to participate in the national championships because they are not USA Hockey programs.

you really think that club teams are but just choose not to follow the rules, you really think USA hockey allows a coach on the ice that does not have a USA Hockey Cert. Club hockey does not require a coach to have any USA Hockey certification.

There is nothing USA Hockey can do for club teams not following them because they do not govern them. Its kinda the whole idea behind club teams.. wow

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

Sorry. But you really have no idea what you are talking about. USA Hockey registered Club teams are allowed to participate in the National Bound State Tournament. But not the Tier II, III or IV State Tournaments which are limited to town programs and determined by District Championship Tournaments similar to the Little League State Tournament. All properly run club teams are actually registered with USA hockey. Not just their players. A club team cannot even register with USA Hockey without properly certified coaches on its roster. Use of non-certified coaches is strictly prohibited but ignored by some teams. Town programs must be nonprofit. So the whole idea behind Club Hockey is profit for their owners. Pure and simple.

Pursuant To Mass Hockey Rules, all leagues must “agree to abide by Massachusetts Hockey’s Bylaws, Rules and Regulation, and Policies and Procedures; and USA Hockey Bylaws, Rules and Regulations, and Playing Rules” plus all club teams “must comply with all registration procedures of USA and Massachusetts Hockey” and must be “registered in agreement with the provisions of [Mass Hockey] Rules and Regulations, or pursuant to the rules of any other affiliate District of USA Hockey. Plus “any adult who is on the ice or bench with youth players must be registered as a Coach.”

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

and continuing what good is a PLAYER registering with USA hockey when the team is not RECOGNIZED by USA hockey?

how does the insurance still cover a non-complaint team? thinking of a town player that skates on a pond.

BTW i see plenty of club teams go to nationals.

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

Anon
Sorry. But you really have no idea what you are talking about. USA Hockey registered Club teams are allowed to participate in the National Bound State Tournament. But not the Tier II, III or IV State Tournaments which are limited to town programs and determined by District Championship Tournaments similar to the Little League State Tournament. All properly run club teams are actually registered with USA hockey. Not just their players. A club team cannot even register with USA Hockey without properly certified coaches on its roster. Use of non-certified coaches is strictly prohibited but ignored by some teams. Town programs must be nonprofit. So the whole idea behind Club Hockey is profit for their owners. Pure and simple.

Pursuant To Mass Hockey Rules, all leagues must “agree to abide by Massachusetts Hockey’s Bylaws, Rules and Regulation, and Policies and Procedures; and USA Hockey Bylaws, Rules and Regulations, and Playing Rules” plus all club teams “must comply with all registration procedures of USA and Massachusetts Hockey” and must be “registered in agreement with the provisions of [Mass Hockey] Rules and Regulations, or pursuant to the rules of any other affiliate District of USA Hockey. Plus “any adult who is on the ice or bench with youth players must be registered as a Coach.”


I think everyone is missing the point that you don't have to be registered with USA Hockey unless you want to compete in the Regional. Some clubs choose not to and for the mite levels it is AAU registered so they dont have to follow the USA hockey guidelines. Cross ice/full ice argument. It really depends on the league you are playing in to make that determination.

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

Not exactly true. Maybe you don’t understand the definition of a “Club” team. Basically a club team is any team that is not a town team. Any team that is not registered with USA Hockey can not participate in any USA Hockey Tournament (Which is almost every tournament.), play in any recognized league, play against any USA Hockey/Canadian Hockey registered team. USA Hockey Insurance is null and void for any USA Hockey registered team that plays a non-registered team. USA Hockey registered teams may only play in games with USA Hockey certified referees and USA Hockey certified referees may only referee games between two USA Hockey registered teams. Basically an unregistered team is an island unto itself. I’m not aware of any youth program or league that is not registered with USA Hockey. Please feel free to enlighten us.

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

Anon
Not exactly true. Maybe you don’t understand the definition of a “Club” team. Basically a club team is any team that is not a town team. Any team that is not registered with USA Hockey can not participate in any USA Hockey Tournament (Which is almost every tournament.), play in any recognized league, play against any USA Hockey/Canadian Hockey registered team. USA Hockey Insurance is null and void for any USA Hockey registered team that plays a non-registered team. USA Hockey registered teams may only play in games with USA Hockey certified referees and USA Hockey certified referees may only referee games between two USA Hockey registered teams. Basically an unregistered team is an island unto itself. I’m not aware of any youth program or league that is not registered with USA Hockey. Please feel free to enlighten us.


so what your saying that a "town team" is own by the town? Your an idiot

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

Where did anyone say town hockey programs were owned by their respective towns? A program is either a town program or a club program. There are very specific rules governing each one. Basically a USA Hockey registered team (Club or Town) is not permitted to play a non USA Hockey registered team under any circumstances. It's not that difficult of a concept to understand. Sorry you can’t grasp it.

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

So I suppose all the games against Canadian teams are illegal? You people are clueless.

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

Can any of you people actually read. Prior post clearly stated "Any team that is not registered with USA Hockey can not participate in any USA Hockey Tournament (Which is almost every tournament.), play in any recognized league, play against any USA Hockey/Canadian Hockey registered team." By implication that means that any USA Hockey registered team can play a properly registered Canadian team. You are the clueless one. You still haven't told us which youth program or league is not registered with USA Hockey. We're waiting.

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

Oh I can read. No where in this thread does it include playing against Canadian teams. Ummm, go back to drinking your vodka. You my friend are the biggest idiot on this thread.

Re: Big change - all age categories for youth hockey now ages!!!

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Oh I can read. No where in this thread does it include playing against Canadian teams. Ummm, go back to drinking your vodka. You my friend are the biggest idiot on this thread.
Geez, what a maroon. He included the exact quote, in quotes, from the 2:02 PM post.

I think I know you - you're the guy that yells "Good call" every time it's the other team that gets whistled and "You're Blind, Ref," every time it's your kid's team.