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Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

I WOULD SAY THIS TOPIC AND ANYTHING AROUND WHO HAS THE BETTER LEAGUE HAS BEEN KNOCKED INTO THE GROUND!!!! WHO CARES!!!

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

Seems like a lot of people care....

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

I don't think we care who the better league is E9 or Fed in this discussion, that's not the point. The point is if you have 8 truly superior AAA teams the top 120 or so players in the state at a given birth year will naturally end up in this league(speaking generally of course). The AA teams lose AAA status but WOULDNT be shut out of a state championship and town teams can truly play town competition (effectively keeping enrollment numbers high for rec players who are the ones who's families pay for the majority of youth hockey). A local TRUE AAA league would not require extensive travel at all. I get it, I like it. If you look at other states they only have a handful of AAA teams. There isn't this business of having a glut of AAA teams (in name only) like we have here in MA. Like comp plays against like comp and kids develop properly. A state tourney at the end of it all ensures no program gets shut out.

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

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I WOULD SAY THIS TOPIC AND ANYTHING AROUND WHO HAS THE BETTER LEAGUE HAS BEEN KNOCKED INTO THE GROUND!!!! WHO CARES!!!


you obviously care enough to comment.

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

anon
I hate to interject reality but the top 4 E9 programs aren't that great. They would be mid pack EHF teams for a majority of them. Realistically you would probably have to take the top 6 EHF teams and then maybe the top 2 E9 teams for debate sake.


I wholeheartedly agree with this. I'd also strongly consider the Vipers to this special list. They have been dominating Tier 1 and would certainly be in the top 6 EHF Elite, for most years. (Important note: I am not a Viper parent/coach - this is just simply my objective observation, as a non-biased person).

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

Whateva Vinny! Vipers are Tier 2 you idiot.

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

Anon
anon
I hate to interject reality but the top 4 E9 programs aren't that great. They would be mid pack EHF teams for a majority of them. Realistically you would probably have to take the top 6 EHF teams and then maybe the top 2 E9 teams for debate sake.


I wholeheartedly agree with this. I'd also strongly consider the Vipers to this special list. They have been dominating Tier 1 and would certainly be in the top 6 EHF Elite, for most years. (Important note: I am not a Viper parent/coach - this is just simply my objective observation, as a non-biased person).


Can we please stop with the Vipers being Elite.They got crushed last weekend.

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

anon
Anon
anon
I hate to interject reality but the top 4 E9 programs aren't that great. They would be mid pack EHF teams for a majority of them. Realistically you would probably have to take the top 6 EHF teams and then maybe the top 2 E9 teams for debate sake.


I wholeheartedly agree with this. I'd also strongly consider the Vipers to this special list. They have been dominating Tier 1 and would certainly be in the top 6 EHF Elite, for most years. (Important note: I am not a Viper parent/coach - this is just simply my objective observation, as a non-biased person).


Can we please stop with the Vipers being Elite.They got crushed last weekend.


They actually did okay, with several close losses. The "Super 8" league could look like this:

-Top 5 EHF Elite
-Top 2 E9
-Vipers

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

How do you determine the program had "kids that moved on to college" per the original post?

if a kid played somewhere for Mites and Squirts then moved on for better hockey, does the organization take credit for the fact that he played for some stiff daddy coaches when he was 8, 9, and 10 years old for "developing" him into a college player?

I see it all the time on team's websites claiming that "former" player X made festival, committed to college, etc. when the truth is he maybe played for them split season before prep season started, or he played learned to skate hockey program back when he was 6.

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

anon
How do you determine the program had "kids that moved on to college" per the original post?

if a kid played somewhere for Mites and Squirts then moved on for better hockey, does the organization take credit for the fact that he played for some stiff daddy coaches when he was 8, 9, and 10 years old for "developing" him into a college player?

I see it all the time on team's websites claiming that "former" player X made festival, committed to college, etc. when the truth is he maybe played for them split season before prep season started, or he played learned to skate hockey program back when he was 6.


Per EHF rules if you showed up to a public skate in one of their rinks then they claim you when you move on to NCAA or get drafted.

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

Anon
anon
How do you determine the program had "kids that moved on to college" per the original post?

if a kid played somewhere for Mites and Squirts then moved on for better hockey, does the organization take credit for the fact that he played for some stiff daddy coaches when he was 8, 9, and 10 years old for "developing" him into a college player?

I see it all the time on team's websites claiming that "former" player X made festival, committed to college, etc. when the truth is he maybe played for them split season before prep season started, or he played learned to skate hockey program back when he was 6.


Per EHF rules if you showed up to a public skate in one of their rinks then they claim you when you move on to NCAA or get drafted.
The two teams that are the most blatant about this are VJW and BA. Gee, what league are they in?

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

Anon
Anon
anon
How do you determine the program had "kids that moved on to college" per the original post?

if a kid played somewhere for Mites and Squirts then moved on for better hockey, does the organization take credit for the fact that he played for some stiff daddy coaches when he was 8, 9, and 10 years old for "developing" him into a college player?

I see it all the time on team's websites claiming that "former" player X made festival, committed to college, etc. when the truth is he maybe played for them split season before prep season started, or he played learned to skate hockey program back when he was 6.


Per EHF rules if you showed up to a public skate in one of their rinks then they claim you when you move on to NCAA or get drafted.
The two teams that are the most blatant about this are VJW and BA. Gee, what league are they in?


That was my point exactly. Kid does stick and puck at some of these rinks and for some reason they become a "former player" of that organization.

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

Ok. Give me an example for VJW?



anon
Anon
Anon
anon
How do you determine the program had "kids that moved on to college" per the original post?

if a kid played somewhere for Mites and Squirts then moved on for better hockey, does the organization take credit for the fact that he played for some stiff daddy coaches when he was 8, 9, and 10 years old for "developing" him into a college player?

I see it all the time on team's websites claiming that "former" player X made festival, committed to college, etc. when the truth is he maybe played for them split season before prep season started, or he played learned to skate hockey program back when he was 6.


Per EHF rules if you showed up to a public skate in one of their rinks then they claim you when you move on to NCAA or get drafted.
The two teams that are the most blatant about this are VJW and BA. Gee, what league are they in?


That was my point exactly. Kid does stick and puck at some of these rinks and for some reason they become a "former player" of that organization.

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

anon
Ok. Give me an example for VJW?


http://www.jrwarriors.com/content.php?id=2308§=1&catid=286&navid=1

When the 2015 NHL Draft Central Scouting Service midterm rankings came out this past week, it was no surprise that a handful of Valley Jr Warrior alums made the list.

Noah Hanifin, Casey Fitzgerald, Colin White and Cam Askew were all a part of the list of players who are projected to be selected in June’s draft which will take place on June 26–27 at the BB&T Center in Sunrise, Florida.

All four players were major contributors on the VJW ’97 Elite team that captured two Massachusetts State Championship titles and advanced to the USA Hockey National Championships in 2010 and 2012

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

I meant give me examples of how the VJWs put a kid on their website that DIDNT pay with them.

Re: Lets solve this problem we call Watered down Mass. youth hockey...

Anon
anon
Anon
anon
I hate to interject reality but the top 4 E9 programs aren't that great. They would be mid pack EHF teams for a majority of them. Realistically you would probably have to take the top 6 EHF teams and then maybe the top 2 E9 teams for debate sake.


I wholeheartedly agree with this. I'd also strongly consider the Vipers to this special list. They have been dominating Tier 1 and would certainly be in the top 6 EHF Elite, for most years. (Important note: I am not a Viper parent/coach - this is just simply my objective observation, as a non-biased person).


Can we please stop with the Vipers being Elite.They got crushed last weekend.


They actually did okay, with several close losses. The "Super 8" league could look like this:

-Top 5 EHF Elite
-Top 2 E9
-Vipers


Lmao too funny ok well enjoy your close losses and Tier 1. I'm sure you'll dominate Tier 1 yet again. Have fun