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Re: Elite Coaches

I have had this debate for years as everyone has their own opinion of an Elite coach.
What parents dont realize (myself included at times) is that it is a 50-50 balance between coaching staff and player.
When you have a coach who can communicate with the kids (not the parents) and the kids take responsibility for their actions on the ice, have a good attitude and give effort every practice, game, etc..then the coach is considered Elite. Sounds simple? Heres where it all goes bad...US, Parents. 90% of the time your kids hear you talking trash about the coaches, their process, questioning every single drill, decision, etc...Not to mention trashing other players on the team to your kids directly "Dont pass to Johnny"

What many of us dont realize is that our behavior is passed on to our kids and what we also dont realize is that all coaches talk to each other(organizations, high school, JR) Stop and watch the coaches from each team before or after a game at any Elite level, always talking. At the high end high school or JR level, an ELite coach will call your players prior coachs and ask 3 important questions
1. Is the player coachable
2. Is the player a decent student (high school)
3. Any issues with the parents (across the board)
If this happend today, how would it work out for your kid?

90% of coaches at any age group coach their players the same way, its the coaches that have buy in from players and parents that have a chance of being Elite.





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unfortunately some "Elite" coaches trash kids on their way out the door to who ever will listen to make themselves look better. Even when kids are leaving for the right reasons

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anon
unfortunately some "Elite" coaches trash kids on their way out the door to who ever will listen to make themselves look better. Even when kids are leaving for the right reasons

You have to remember that truely Elite coaches have been at this for a long time and usually tell the truth that parents dont want to hear about their child. Nobody wants to hear that their child is disrepectful, uncoachable, unaccountable.
The players performance/work ethic will speak for itself.

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if your coach is good - he should be able to tell you that your kid sucks and you will feel good about the conversation...

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anon
if your coach is good - he should be able to tell you that your kid sucks and you will feel good about the conversation...

While holding a Dos Equis! The most intersting elite coach in the world.

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I was just introduced this this board a few weeks ago. I've been checking in here and there and have not ever posted. I just read this post and was so relieved to finally see something of substance.

Yes, those top 3 questions are by far the most important.

1. Is the player coachable
2. Is the player a decent student (high school)
3. Any issues with the parents

Sadly, #3 has moved it's way to the top of that list. Dealing with parents is by far the most difficult issue for any coach, "Elite", "AAA", "Youth", or "HS". Parents have gone off the grid in all Youth/HS Sports.

My father once told me, "Son, if you want to play more, or on a certain team, go earn it and make it happen", "If you have a problem with your coach, go talk to him yourself". My father certainly had his flaws, but I thank him every chance I get for making me earn everything I ever got. It set the groundwork for becoming a hard working person. I'm doing the same to my kids now. I had my chance, this is their time and their responsibility to earn it or not. Be a parent, be supportive, don't hand them everything they want or think they can get better elsewhere every time things get rough.

These coaches volunteer their time, try to do the very best they can, try to be role models for your kids, have families and jobs of their own, and just love the game. Think about that the next time you want to tear them apart.

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what do you mean earn it? my kid is an elite hockey player!!!

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Finally....
I was just introduced this this board a few weeks ago. I've been checking in here and there and have not ever posted. I just read this post and was so relieved to finally see something of substance.

Yes, those top 3 questions are by far the most important.

1. Is the player coachable
2. Is the player a decent student (high school)
3. Any issues with the parents

Sadly, #3 has moved it's way to the top of that list. Dealing with parents is by far the most difficult issue for any coach, "Elite", "AAA", "Youth", or "HS". Parents have gone off the grid in all Youth/HS Sports.

My father once told me, "Son, if you want to play more, or on a certain team, go earn it and make it happen", "If you have a problem with your coach, go talk to him yourself". My father certainly had his flaws, but I thank him every chance I get for making me earn everything I ever got. It set the groundwork for becoming a hard working person. I'm doing the same to my kids now. I had my chance, this is their time and their responsibility to earn it or not. Be a parent, be supportive, don't hand them everything they want or think they can get better elsewhere every time things get rough.

These coaches volunteer their time, try to do the very best they can, try to be role models for your kids, have families and jobs of their own, and just love the game. Think about that the next time you want to tear them apart.


What program other than town hockey has coaches that volunteer their time? Elite coaches are getting paid one way or another.

You sir are not an Elite Coach. Go back to town hockey and leave your daddy issues for your psychiatrist

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As a wise man once said, I'm not sure I can define an elite coach, but I know it when I see it.

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Elite coaches need Elite players in order to be an Elite coach. Give me an Org that is not in the top 5 of their league and has a coach considered to be Elite, does not exist. Words like Elite are 100% tied to winning, and in order to win you need a roster of Elite level players.

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No such thing as an "Elite" 8,9,10, etc year old hockey player. A good coach develops the players(not just their own).
People love to say their kid is on an elite hockey team. Nonsense

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"What program other than town hockey has coaches that volunteer their time? Elite coaches are getting paid one way or another.

You sir are not an Elite Coach. Go back to town hockey and leave your daddy issues for your psychiatrist"


Posts like this only prove that I'm right. Parents are the biggest issue for any and all coaches.

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Finally....
"What program other than town hockey has coaches that volunteer their time? Elite coaches are getting paid one way or another.

You sir are not an Elite Coach. Go back to town hockey and leave your daddy issues for your psychiatrist"


Posts like this only prove that I'm right. Parents are the biggest issue for any and all coaches.


So parents should blindly hand over there child to said "Elite Coach" 4-5 times a week with out being allowed to question his coaching ability or actions behind the bench? I agree that the guy yelling from the stands or banging on the glass yelling instructions clearly has issues. But maybe coaching isn't for you if you don't want to deal with parents.

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anon
Finally....
"What program other than town hockey has coaches that volunteer their time? Elite coaches are getting paid one way or another.

You sir are not an Elite Coach. Go back to town hockey and leave your daddy issues for your psychiatrist"


Posts like this only prove that I'm right. Parents are the biggest issue for any and all coaches.


So parents should blindly hand over there child to said "Elite Coach" 4-5 times a week with out being allowed to question his coaching ability or actions behind the bench? I agree that the guy yelling from the stands or banging on the glass yelling instructions clearly has issues. But maybe coaching isn't for you if you don't want to deal with parents.

Depends on how you question his/her ability and actions. Standing in the parking lot, getting tanked and talkinig $hit to whoever will listen probably not the best way. Chasing a coach to the room after a game also not the best way.
If your PW or older, have the player talk to the coach or call the coach a day after the game to discuss.
Its a no win for a coach talking to parents. If you are that parent be prepared for the head nod followed by the "we will keep working hard" repsonse...followed by your player missing his first shift next game. Happy Complaining

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Who said blindly handing over your child? If you haven't done your homework your an idiot! If you haven't watched a game or two or spoken to other parents also an idiot. Like the previous poster said yes your player is the one who should speak to their coach if they have a problem/issue. If it is about about playing time, water breaks, shortening of benches etc....these questions are just annoyances and doesn't help Johnny get more time.

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Anon
Who said blindly handing over your child? If you haven't done your homework your an idiot! If you haven't watched a game or two or spoken to other parents also an idiot. Like the previous poster said yes your player is the one who should speak to their coach if they have a problem/issue. If it is about about playing time, water breaks, shortening of benches etc....these questions are just annoyances and doesn't help Johnny get more time.


If your truly an Elite Coach what are you doing on this board spouting off about parents? Isn't that kind of beneath you Mr. Hockey? Looks like someones insecure.

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anon
Anon
Who said blindly handing over your child? If you haven't done your homework your an idiot! If you haven't watched a game or two or spoken to other parents also an idiot. Like the previous poster said yes your player is the one who should speak to their coach if they have a problem/issue. If it is about about playing time, water breaks, shortening of benches etc....these questions are just annoyances and doesn't help Johnny get more time.


If your truly an Elite Coach what are you doing on this board spouting off about parents? Isn't that kind of beneath you Mr. Hockey? Looks like someones insecure.


Elite Coaching 101- stay away from the Dboard. I would bet not 1 Elite coach in New England comes here to read this nonsense.

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Not an elite coach never said I was.. I referenced my son's coaches. We definitely knew how to pick them. Great coaching skills, fast pace, development and above all took no BS and knew how to handle the parents. A good rule is, talk to your kids coach, just not about hockey!

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Anon
anon
Anon
Who said blindly handing over your child? If you haven't done your homework your an idiot! If you haven't watched a game or two or spoken to other parents also an idiot. Like the previous poster said yes your player is the one who should speak to their coach if they have a problem/issue. If it is about about playing time, water breaks, shortening of benches etc....these questions are just annoyances and doesn't help Johnny get more time.


If your truly an Elite Coach what are you doing on this board spouting off about parents? Isn't that kind of beneath you Mr. Hockey? Looks like someones insecure.


Elite Coaching 101- stay away from the Dboard. I would bet not 1 Elite coach in New England comes here to read this nonsense.


How can you be so obtuse?

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Anon
anon
Anon
Who said blindly handing over your child? If you haven't done your homework your an idiot! If you haven't watched a game or two or spoken to other parents also an idiot. Like the previous poster said yes your player is the one who should speak to their coach if they have a problem/issue. If it is about about playing time, water breaks, shortening of benches etc....these questions are just annoyances and doesn't help Johnny get more time.


If your truly an Elite Coach what are you doing on this board spouting off about parents? Isn't that kind of beneath you Mr. Hockey? Looks like someones insecure.


Elite Coaching 101- stay away from the Dboard. I would bet not 1 Elite coach in New England comes here to read this nonsense.


Lol, that is where you are wrong !! lol good one though !

Re: Elite Coaches

It has been my experience that the head coach is responsible for overall team performance, practices, ice time, development. The other coaches are needed to organize practice and up to PW hockey open/close doors during games. At the older levels all the coaches should have a role: Offense, Defense, PP, PK with the head coach managing the game. This is what I have seen with 4 boys over the years.

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If your kid is any good you would NEVER mention to anyone that your kid is on an elite hockey team. My friends with kids that are the best in the state intheir age groups on the top teams ...if you met them at a party you would have a hard time even getting out of them that their kids even play hockey. Definitely not what team & league. The people that brag have mediocre or subpar players. They are tuition payers ...

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Anon
If your kid is any good you would NEVER mention to anyone that your kid is on an elite hockey team. My friends with kids that are the best in the state intheir age groups on the top teams ...if you met them at a party you would have a hard time even getting out of them that their kids even play hockey. Definitely not what team & league. The people that brag have mediocre or subpar players. They are tuition payers ...

+1

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anon
Anon
If your kid is any good you would NEVER mention to anyone that your kid is on an elite hockey team. My friends with kids that are the best in the state intheir age groups on the top teams ...if you met them at a party you would have a hard time even getting out of them that their kids even play hockey. Definitely not what team & league. The people that brag have mediocre or subpar players. They are tuition payers ...

+1


nah not really. we came a across 06 E9 goalie family a couple of years ago. Probably one of the better goalies at the 06 (Brick maybe? don't know for sure). they will not stop talking about how good their kid is. So yes it might be true for some, but not all.

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anon
anon
Anon
If your kid is any good you would NEVER mention to anyone that your kid is on an elite hockey team. My friends with kids that are the best in the state intheir age groups on the top teams ...if you met them at a party you would have a hard time even getting out of them that their kids even play hockey. Definitely not what team & league. The people that brag have mediocre or subpar players. They are tuition payers ...

+1


nah not really. we came a across 06 E9 goalie family a couple of years ago. Probably one of the better goalies at the 06 (Brick maybe? don't know for sure). they will not stop talking about how good their kid is. So yes it might be true for some, but not all.

No the point holds true. The parents know deep down inside the kid is not elite, no matter how good he is at squirt age, or they wouldn't be chirping. I don't know the kid, I'm just speaking in general terms.

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Yes he is a E9 goalie not one of the top goalies in the state in his age group... hence the bragging.