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Since this is a topic that comes up in many of the posts, which programs do the "developing". From what i can tell, most teams turn over 1-4 players a year. It turns into a cycle, EHF elite add 2-3 players and cut the bottom 2-3 players , those cut players go to a lower EHF elite or good E9 team, E9 cuts 2-3 players and they go to EHF black tier 1 or BHL, etc....
I don't hear of too many teams keeping all their players...so who is doing the developing of players and not turning players over?
No one that is good. Same as college or NHL. Better players come along from outside and replace existing talent. Same in work force. New talent comes in and replaces old talent. The way the world works.
Agreed, but it seems like the disgruntled posters keep bringing up that subject of kids getting cut instead of developing players.
So these people who are now on different teams, are they causing the same uproar with their new teams, telling their coach not to cut the bottom players?
Ha, of course not. Once their kid is not the one to possibly be cut, of course they want the bottom gone and the team made better. That's the hypocrisy of it all, "just don't cut my kid", if so they "don't develop players".
South Shore Kings 2003 Tier 1 and 2003 Boston Junior Eagles Elite have not made a roster change in three or four years. Last year the Eagles did not hold tryouts and announced there would be no roster changes. Class act, not taking peoples $$$
The best thing all leagues could do is go to a 2 year contract. If your not willing to commit to a player for at least two years thats fine, but don't take him. What is wrong is when you take a player for one year because they are better than the bottom player and then cut them after one year. It is slightly better for team, but these are kids we are talking about. Not the NHL.
Let's establish a model or definition of what determines "development" for you and then we can give you some more info. If they kids are getting better does that count ?
Personally I like to judge it on how many kids in an organization move up within, so don't look at the elite teams in isolation, so if a program is moving a few kids up from Tier 1 or AAA teams to the Elite team every year at most levels, they are truly developing players !
OP is assuming clubs only lose players because they get cut. In actuality a lot of talented/successful players walk away from clubs. I know a club coached by an 06 dad coach who isn't about development. He coaches "to win baby!" and to keep his bender on an elite roster, because he knows good and well no other coach would put up with his kid's hijinx and bad attitude. Which is fine... but he's about to lose his best players because of his own kid. Kids don't only get cut, sometimes the top players on a given roster are tired of playing with kids that don't care to give 100% and by extension parents pull their high performing kids because of dad coaches.
My kid plays for a coach that is phenomenal at developing kids. Minimal turnover yearly, maybe the bottom 1 or 2 kids gets moved, and possibly a kid leaves on their own accord, not because of coach but because of logistics. regardless, team is pretty good, kids having fun, improving yearly and yes, my kid is the bender that is on the bubble every year, but because I throw an extra c note or 2 towards the coach, he stays. Thats how it works.
In theory a two-year contract is great however unfortunately kids change. Some kids lose their desire and or develop at different ages. Physically and mentally.
My kids coaches just make sure their kids are on th ice for the last 3 minutes of every game. And we have 4 coaches! Doesn't matter how many penalties or bad plays they make
First off, there is so much involved with developing kids it is unfair to put it all on the shoulders of the organization, and I mean if a kid truly develops it is not all the organization, and if a kid fails to develop that is not their fault either.
I have been at this for a long time, and where I see the kids develop most is outside the organization. The kids who truly enjoy putting the extra work in, the kids shooting pucks or stickhandling at home with thier free time. As they get older, its the kids who are willing to work hard and put in the physical training and off ice, and throughout, the kids who do skills or training away from thier organization in the off season or in addition to organization. Those are the kids that develop. It has a lot more to do with the individual kid than it does the organization.
I am sure everyone has a few kids on their team that could not stickhandle or shoot a puck at the beginning of the season and six months later look exactly the same, then there will be a few kids who started there but are now handling pucks and ripping shots ! those are the kids practicing at home and developing themselves like they should.
Stop looking at the organization to do everything for your kid and instill it them that they are the biggest decider and factor in thier development ! Regardless of what you are paying !
...and I type this as my kid is currently shooting in the basement minutes after walking in the house after two games today !
He may not be or ever be a superstar, but his hard work and dedication has payed off thus far, I owe a lot of it to the organization but I attribute most of it to his personal desire and enjoyment in doing something he loves !
try this: coach is great at developing players. word gets out. parents want in. the potential players are better. now what. we know what...