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Anon
Mar 23, 2017 - 1:03PM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

anon
Well, as the dad that it happened to put it, "if I had wanted him to try out for the lower team, I would have had him try out for the lower team."

He felt that these kids - and it apparently was a good handful - weren't given a legit chance to make the team.

The right thing to do would have been to let the kids finish the tryouts, THEN make the offer. Maybe you're right, maybe it really isn't that much different. It just gave the dad the perception it was a bait-and-switch.

Oh, and BTW, this kid already has an offer from an Elite team. It wasn't that he isn't good enough. He was good enough to make this team.

And, candidly, I'm leaning in a different direction now, too.

Being an elite player on one team does not mean there you are good enough to make another elite team. They don't trade out same talent kids. They want top line kids. So he didn't make the team. He has a contract elsewhere. There is no reason to be put out about what that organization did. Lots of tryouts first night they have all the kids out there together. They aren't always broken down. I have seen kids at elite tryouts who don't make it and tier 1 coaches will always want to try to grab them if they have openings. What's wrong with that? Bottom line is they didn't want him. That's a chance he took and you pay a tryout fee to do it.

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Anon
Mar 23, 2017 - 1:50PM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

That's like buying a lottery ticket, losing the lotto, and then going back to the gas station expecting to get your money back.

If you're not told before the tryout that your kid has a spot on the team, then he most likely isn't on the team. If this is you, you have to approach tryouts knowing that every kid in a penny (who's parents are also in the blue about making the team) are ALL trying out for 1, maybe 2 spots that may still be available.

This stuff is Youth Hockey 101 everywhere in this country.

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anon
Mar 24, 2017 - 8:52AM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

Anon
That's like buying a lottery ticket, losing the lotto, and then going back to the gas station expecting to get your money back.

If you're not told before the tryout that your kid has a spot on the team, then he most likely isn't on the team. If this is you, you have to approach tryouts knowing that every kid in a penny (who's parents are also in the blue about making the team) are ALL trying out for 1, maybe 2 spots that may still be available.

This stuff is Youth Hockey 101 everywhere in this country.
Bunch of know-it-all posters. This isn't my first rodeo. I didn't say the kid was offered a spot on a Tier 1 team at an Elite tryout, I said he was offered a spot on a lesser team within the same organization. As in, not even the same location.

I also know how to do diligence to find out if a team truly has spots open.

I also know enough to judge a kids' ability well enough to know whether a kid should be immediately cut. This kid should have been given the opportunity to complete the tryout process. It was not fair to the kid to deny him that in the desperate interest to fill another team's roster. The reason teams have more than one tryout is, every kid has off days. If, after that they decide to offer him a spot on a different team, that is their prerogative.

With so many new teams for 2017/18, everyone has their hands in everyone's pockets. The pie is the same size, it's just being cut into way more slices.

a
Anon
Mar 24, 2017 - 9:14AM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

anon
Anon
That's like buying a lottery ticket, losing the lotto, and then going back to the gas station expecting to get your money back.

If you're not told before the tryout that your kid has a spot on the team, then he most likely isn't on the team. If this is you, you have to approach tryouts knowing that every kid in a penny (who's parents are also in the blue about making the team) are ALL trying out for 1, maybe 2 spots that may still be available.

This stuff is Youth Hockey 101 everywhere in this country.
Bunch of know-it-all posters. This isn't my first rodeo. I didn't say the kid was offered a spot on a Tier 1 team at an Elite tryout, I said he was offered a spot on a lesser team within the same organization. As in, not even the same location.

I also know how to do diligence to find out if a team truly has spots open.

I also know enough to judge a kids' ability well enough to know whether a kid should be immediately cut. This kid should have been given the opportunity to complete the tryout process. It was not fair to the kid to deny him that in the desperate interest to fill another team's roster. The reason teams have more than one tryout is, every kid has off days. If, after that they decide to offer him a spot on a different team, that is their prerogative.

With so many new teams for 2017/18, everyone has their hands in everyone's pockets. The pie is the same size, it's just being cut into way more slices.


What organization since you seem to be so forthcoming in educating us...

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AnOn
Mar 24, 2017 - 9:27AM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

Anon
anon
Anon
That's like buying a lottery ticket, losing the lotto, and then going back to the gas station expecting to get your money back.

If you're not told before the tryout that your kid has a spot on the team, then he most likely isn't on the team. If this is you, you have to approach tryouts knowing that every kid in a penny (who's parents are also in the blue about making the team) are ALL trying out for 1, maybe 2 spots that may still be available.

This stuff is Youth Hockey 101 everywhere in this country.
Bunch of know-it-all posters. This isn't my first rodeo. I didn't say the kid was offered a spot on a Tier 1 team at an Elite tryout, I said he was offered a spot on a lesser team within the same organization. As in, not even the same location.

I also know how to do diligence to find out if a team truly has spots open.

I also know enough to judge a kids' ability well enough to know whether a kid should be immediately cut. This kid should have been given the opportunity to complete the tryout process. It was not fair to the kid to deny him that in the desperate interest to fill another team's roster. The reason teams have more than one tryout is, every kid has off days. If, after that they decide to offer him a spot on a different team, that is their prerogative.

With so many new teams for 2017/18, everyone has their hands in everyone's pockets. The pie is the same size, it's just being cut into way more slices.


What organization since you seem to be so forthcoming in educating us...


He won't tell you, and I don't blame him.

But, he needs to know the FED Elite is a tough place to be, its not for every kid.

Develop him in the BHL or E9 and have him take another run at the Show next year.

a
Anon
Mar 24, 2017 - 9:31AM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

AnOn
Anon
anon
Anon
That's like buying a lottery ticket, losing the lotto, and then going back to the gas station expecting to get your money back.

If you're not told before the tryout that your kid has a spot on the team, then he most likely isn't on the team. If this is you, you have to approach tryouts knowing that every kid in a penny (who's parents are also in the blue about making the team) are ALL trying out for 1, maybe 2 spots that may still be available.

This stuff is Youth Hockey 101 everywhere in this country.
Bunch of know-it-all posters. This isn't my first rodeo. I didn't say the kid was offered a spot on a Tier 1 team at an Elite tryout, I said he was offered a spot on a lesser team within the same organization. As in, not even the same location.

I also know how to do diligence to find out if a team truly has spots open.

I also know enough to judge a kids' ability well enough to know whether a kid should be immediately cut. This kid should have been given the opportunity to complete the tryout process. It was not fair to the kid to deny him that in the desperate interest to fill another team's roster. The reason teams have more than one tryout is, every kid has off days. If, after that they decide to offer him a spot on a different team, that is their prerogative.

With so many new teams for 2017/18, everyone has their hands in everyone's pockets. The pie is the same size, it's just being cut into way more slices.


What organization since you seem to be so forthcoming in educating us...


He won't tell you, and I don't blame him.

But, he needs to know the FED Elite is a tough place to be, its not for every kid.

Develop him in the BHL or E9 and have him take another run at the Show next year.


Why not ? Its not his kid as "he heard it last night". Why would he not tell us and why would you not blame him.

a
Anon
Mar 24, 2017 - 9:37AM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

AnOn
Anon
anon
Anon
That's like buying a lottery ticket, losing the lotto, and then going back to the gas station expecting to get your money back.

If you're not told before the tryout that your kid has a spot on the team, then he most likely isn't on the team. If this is you, you have to approach tryouts knowing that every kid in a penny (who's parents are also in the blue about making the team) are ALL trying out for 1, maybe 2 spots that may still be available.

This stuff is Youth Hockey 101 everywhere in this country.
Bunch of know-it-all posters. This isn't my first rodeo. I didn't say the kid was offered a spot on a Tier 1 team at an Elite tryout, I said he was offered a spot on a lesser team within the same organization. As in, not even the same location.

I also know how to do diligence to find out if a team truly has spots open.

I also know enough to judge a kids' ability well enough to know whether a kid should be immediately cut. This kid should have been given the opportunity to complete the tryout process. It was not fair to the kid to deny him that in the desperate interest to fill another team's roster. The reason teams have more than one tryout is, every kid has off days. If, after that they decide to offer him a spot on a different team, that is their prerogative.

With so many new teams for 2017/18, everyone has their hands in everyone's pockets. The pie is the same size, it's just being cut into way more slices.


What organization since you seem to be so forthcoming in educating us...


He won't tell you, and I don't blame him.

But, he needs to know the FED Elite is a tough place to be, its not for every kid.

Develop him in the BHL or E9 and have him take another run at the Show next year.
The FED Elite isn't a "tough place to be." It's a youth hockey league. The "Show"? Seriously, get a grip.

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anon
Mar 24, 2017 - 10:35AM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

It's tryouts, not sure how you define shenanigans and treachery. I think the only folks that are surprised are the "newbies". Just remember these simple three rules:

1) Don't believe the coach when he tells you that your kid is okay but doesn't offer a contract. If you find yourself in this scenario, start having your kid skate with other teams. Maybe he is going to be okay but better to be safe than sorry. When he doesn't get the contract, you shouldn't be surprised. (Yes, it's happened to my kid.)

2) Most organizations are not loyal, especially if the team isn't winning. If you don't have a contract in February, you need to be skating with other teams. See rule #1 but also remember, chances are the organization owner barely knows your kid. He doesn't care if you are easy going, you pay on time, etc. He just knows the team isn't doing well and that's bad for business.

3) Tryouts are a money maker for organizations. For most, the core of the team is set well ahead of tryouts so you are now among a large pool of kids trying out for the few remaining slots. There are so many variables that can affect how your kid does in a tryout, your chances of making team are increased exponentially if you skated with the team before hand.

Now with my "preaching" from the mountain top out of the way, I do know someone who had his kid skating with an elite team for a number of practices. The coach told him to bring him to tryouts, that he really liked how he looked but doesn't offer early contracts. Night one of tryouts he's talking to one of the parents on the elite team and learned the entire team had been filled prior to tryouts and later confirmed that evening with the coach. Not sure, does this qualify?

a
anon
Mar 24, 2017 - 10:41AM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

anon
It's tryouts, not sure how you define shenanigans and treachery. I think the only folks that are surprised are the "newbies". Just remember these simple three rules:

1) Don't believe the coach when he tells you that your kid is okay but doesn't offer a contract. If you find yourself in this scenario, start having your kid skate with other teams. Maybe he is going to be okay but better to be safe than sorry. When he doesn't get the contract, you shouldn't be surprised. (Yes, it's happened to my kid.)

2) Most organizations are not loyal, especially if the team isn't winning. If you don't have a contract in February, you need to be skating with other teams. See rule #1 but also remember, chances are the organization owner barely knows your kid. He doesn't care if you are easy going, you pay on time, etc. He just knows the team isn't doing well and that's bad for business.

3) Tryouts are a money maker for organizations. For most, the core of the team is set well ahead of tryouts so you are now among a large pool of kids trying out for the few remaining slots. There are so many variables that can affect how your kid does in a tryout, your chances of making team are increased exponentially if you skated with the team before hand.

Now with my "preaching" from the mountain top out of the way, I do know someone who had his kid skating with an elite team for a number of practices. The coach told him to bring him to tryouts, that he really liked how he looked but doesn't offer early contracts. Night one of tryouts he's talking to one of the parents on the elite team and learned the entire team had been filled prior to tryouts and later confirmed that evening with the coach. Not sure, does this qualify?

Good post. It's like this in all youth sports BTW. Hockey is not unique in this regard. Although it does start a little earlier in hockey so you should have an advantage over other parents in other sports when the time comes.

a
Anon
Mar 24, 2017 - 9:20AM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

anon

I also know enough to judge a kids' ability well enough to know whether a kid should be immediately cut. This kid should have been given the opportunity to complete the tryout process. It was not fair to the kid to deny him that...


^^^^^Says every crazy hockey parent who's kid doesn't make the cut.

darned if you do, darned if you don't.
If the kid gets cut early in the process: "he should've been given the opportunity to complete the process"
If he gets cut after day 3: "why did the program waste our time if they knew he wasn't making the team"

Cant win for losing with some hockey parents.

a
Anon
Mar 23, 2017 - 8:32AM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

anon
very true, i saw Warriors, Adv ice, rangers, dual state/islanders tyngsboro and seacoast players at multiple age groups...


Lot going on for you these days? Sounds like an interesting life you live....

a
Anon
Mar 23, 2017 - 6:18PM
Re: Tryout Shenanigans

Anon
Let's hear it. Last minute cuts, surprise appearances, lies, deals etc...There is always dirt and always treachery.


My favorite of the year, parent paying his kid a few hundred for having a good tryout....and then not making a team !

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