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Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon
I am a little confused. Are the islanders 2 teams supposed to be better than the islanders 1 teams? I keep seeing this trend. Can't wait for the roster games once the season starts.

Right! Their 2 team was definitely last years players and coaches with players in last years jerseys. If I was a betting man, I would say they gave their better team the number that corresponded to the schedule with the best bet to put them in black .... if I was a betting man

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Roster games? They will play whole team games to ensure a black ranking. Answer me this, at the 07 level, the islanders are automatically in black due to their finish this past season. Why would they have their other team play in the black parity if only one team from each organization is allowed in each color level?

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon

Right! Their 2 team was definitely last years players and coaches with players in last years jerseys. If I was a betting man, I would say they gave their better team the number that corresponded to the schedule with the best bet to put them in black .... if I was a betting man


And like all gambling degenerates you'd be dead broke. Unlike you (a keyboard rumor monger) I had the nads to ask a IHC parent. There were 3 sets of them in the building all weekend.

Islanders 1 is last year's T1 team. Coaches, Kids, and almost the whole kit, and caboodle minus 3 players.

Islanders 2 are E9 recruits with some town players sprinkled in, plus 3 Islanders holdovers from last season's T1 team. New coaches, new kids, and they borrowed their jerseys from last year's team. Any dummy with half a brain could see all the different color lids, gloves, and pants on that team and deduce its not last year's IHC team. Plus IHC2 had a much tougher schedule than IHC1.

But if you were a betting man right?

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon
Anon

Right! Their 2 team was definitely last years players and coaches with players in last years jerseys. If I was a betting man, I would say they gave their better team the number that corresponded to the schedule with the best bet to put them in black .... if I was a betting man


And like all gambling degenerates you'd be dead broke. Unlike you (a keyboard rumor monger) I had the nads to ask a IHC parent. There were 3 sets of them in the building all weekend.

Islanders 1 is last year's T1 team. Coaches, Kids, and almost the whole kit, and caboodle minus 3 players.

Islanders 2 are E9 recruits with some town players sprinkled in, plus 3 Islanders holdovers from last season's T1 team. New coaches, new kids, and they borrowed their jerseys from last year's team. Any dummy with half a brain could see all the different color lids, gloves, and pants on that team and deduce its not last year's IHC team. Plus IHC2 had a much tougher schedule than IHC1.

But if you were a betting man right?

Might have to agree with the betting man. If so many of those kids came from E9 or various organizations how did they happen to have Islanders jerseys already made up for them? And I certainly recognized at least one coach and player out there since we just played them not to long ago. But I'm sure the parents were very honest and forthcoming to the reams they were playing
Although you seem a little too defensive of that team for someone who would play against them instead of with them .....

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Nah, too many different colored helmets and gloves to be last year's Islanders players. Different color gloves and helmets, plus helmet stickers didn't match jersey numbers. Last year's teams jerseys though, obviously borrowed. Islanders 1 wore light blue all weekend, Islanders 2 wore orange.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

The only thing that would make sense is creating the best team it could from kids who didn't make elite and then a team below that, etc. This way, the next best players would all be on the Tier 1 Black team. In other words, I doubt they tried to have two "balanced" Tier 1 teams.


Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon
Nah, too many different colored helmets and gloves to be last year's Islanders players. Different color gloves and helmets, plus helmet stickers didn't match jersey numbers. Last year's teams jerseys though, obviously borrowed. Islanders 1 wore light blue all weekend, Islanders 2 wore orange.

Yes, because I'm sure last years team was more than willing to say here, have my jersey so you can get in a lower jersey. Caught one of team 2s game, not sure what you are talking about...looked pretty uniform to me. And actually, it was the game against the Kings and I was talking to a Kings Parent. The Islanders family next to us questioned why the Kings were all in generic green jerseys. One Parent said, must have added a bunch of new kids so they couldn't wear last years team jerseys. Now, I don't know the Islanders players but there was not a lot of mismatched Islanders on that game I watched against the Kings in practice jerseys.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon
Anon

Right! Their 2 team was definitely last years players and coaches with players in last years jerseys. If I was a betting man, I would say they gave their better team the number that corresponded to the schedule with the best bet to put them in black .... if I was a betting man


And like all gambling degenerates you'd be dead broke. Unlike you (a keyboard rumor monger) I had the nads to ask a IHC parent. There were 3 sets of them in the building all weekend.

Islanders 1 is last year's T1 team. Coaches, Kids, and almost the whole kit, and caboodle minus 3 players.

Islanders 2 are E9 recruits with some town players sprinkled in, plus 3 Islanders holdovers from last season's T1 team. New coaches, new kids, and they borrowed their jerseys from last year's team. Any dummy with half a brain could see all the different color lids, gloves, and pants on that team and deduce its not last year's IHC team. Plus IHC2 had a much tougher schedule than IHC1.

But if you were a betting man right?


Give this man a beer!! Someone had the insight to ask a parent. Brilliant!

Re: 06 Black Parity results

A Non
Exempt 3
NHC
BSB
BV

Parity Top 7-

Manchester Flames
Terriers R
Shamrocks
SSK
BJE
Terriers W
Islanders 2 squeaks in and puts out TG by .05% thanks to the CT Rangers.

Jr Friars to White
MMF to White
New NH Monarchs team to White
Islanders Tyngsboro headed to silver
CT Rangers team is not the team from last year - headed to silver.


How about the RI Saints?

Re: 06 Black Parity results

I hope the EHF becomes aware that the Rangers had no business being in this tourney. That team was completely new and no where near the skill of last seasons team.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

What happened to CT?

Re: 06 Black Parity results

The team from last season went elite. (whole team) The team at parity was a new team and will struggle in silver.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon
I hope the EHF becomes aware that the Rangers had no business being in this tourney. That team was completely new and no where near the skill of last seasons team.

What would you like them to be aware of? That they suck? Lots of teams suck. Thankfully that is what silver is for. But who says they have no right to belong in a tournament? This was only to see if they can make it into black. Anyone who got into black won't be playing them anyway. You sound rediculous

Re: 06 Black Parity results

The point I am making is that it changed the strength of schedule for all teams involved in the tourney. That bracket was a cake walk because the Rangers are a brand new team.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon
The point I am making is that it changed the strength of schedule for all teams involved in the tourney. That bracket was a cake walk because the Rangers are a brand new team.

All they can do is base it on last years record. And for the record, if they considered it a new team, rules clearly stated where they would be in the lowest bracket and they still would have played the teams in the higher bracket. Let me quess? .... from a parent of a player on a team that didn't play the Rangers and "just missed" getting in the black? These things are not perfect. We had no idea going into the Rangers game what we were going up against. We went in expecting a loss and had no idea what went on with that team until we found out after they were putting an elite team and that is were their strongest players went. Look at other new teams over the year. No way to predict that they are able to pull in for talent. Hind site!

Re: 06 Black Parity results

anon
Anon
The point I am making is that it changed the strength of schedule for all teams involved in the tourney. That bracket was a cake walk because the Rangers are a brand new team.

All they can do is base it on last years record. And for the record, if they considered it a new team, rules clearly stated where they would be in the lowest bracket and they still would have played the teams in the higher bracket. Let me quess? .... from a parent of a player on a team that didn't play the Rangers and "just missed" getting in the black? These things are not perfect. We had no idea going into the Rangers game what we were going up against. We went in expecting a loss and had no idea what went on with that team until we found out after they were putting an elite team and that is were their strongest players went. Look at other new teams over the year. No way to predict that they are able to pull in for talent. Hind site!


That works both ways as well, you have teams that made black because of the CT Rangers. For example, the Islanders drawing MMF and then winning 12-2 in their last game to put TG out by .05% on the third level tie breaker?

Likely SSK don't make it as well if they go 2-2 by losing to the former CT Rangers. So Islanders and Kings are in but TG and Monarchs get pushed out. Real tough spot for TG here. Look at MMF, that team is likely 0-4 and in a bad way heading to white parity without the gift of the new look CT Rangers. Their EMHL team coming up may just leapfrog them.

This is where orgs could be justified demanding that if a team has not a single returning player from their previous year's roster then that team is a new team and MHR does not apply to brackets and seeding.

This is like being at the hot Blackjack table and the guy next to you with an 18 takes a hit and get the Jack while you hold a 5 and a 6. What are you gonna do, get up from the table?

This is the format- honestly no team is prevented from appearing in parity and paying the $$, so you'll get some of this from time to time.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Good point. TG got robbed and I am not familiar with Monarchs.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

A Non
anon
Anon
The point I am making is that it changed the strength of schedule for all teams involved in the tourney. That bracket was a cake walk because the Rangers are a brand new team.

All they can do is base it on last years record. And for the record, if they considered it a new team, rules clearly stated where they would be in the lowest bracket and they still would have played the teams in the higher bracket. Let me quess? .... from a parent of a player on a team that didn't play the Rangers and "just missed" getting in the black? These things are not perfect. We had no idea going into the Rangers game what we were going up against. We went in expecting a loss and had no idea what went on with that team until we found out after they were putting an elite team and that is were their strongest players went. Look at other new teams over the year. No way to predict that they are able to pull in for talent. Hind site!


That works both ways as well, you have teams that made black because of the CT Rangers. For example, the Islanders drawing MMF and then winning 12-2 in their last game to put TG out by .05% on the third level tie breaker?

Likely SSK don't make it as well if they go 2-2 by losing to the former CT Rangers. So Islanders and Kings are in but TG and Monarchs get pushed out. Real tough spot for TG here. Look at MMF, that team is likely 0-4 and in a bad way heading to white parity without the gift of the new look CT Rangers. Their EMHL team coming up may just leapfrog them.

This is where orgs could be justified demanding that if a team has not a single returning player from their previous year's roster then that team is a new team and MHR does not apply to brackets and seeding.

This is like being at the hot Blackjack table and the guy next to you with an 18 takes a hit and get the Jack while you hold a 5 and a 6. What are you gonna do, get up from the table?

This is the format- honestly no team is prevented from appearing in parity and paying the $$, so you'll get some of this from time to time.

I'm a little confused by your rational: Kings got 4th place. And Kings's, BJE and both had one loss. You can't predict what team they would have played to say either one of them would have went 2-2. This is clearly a top gun parent who was on the board last year whining about playing white. And the new Islanders team, that they say is brand new would be in the same position as Rangers but clearly much better. The terriers white had 2 loses and a tie so even IF either the BJE or Kings had 2 loses, that team still finished below Kings/BJE and above Top Gun. Get over it Top Gun

Re: 06 Black Parity results

02UPIN
I did not see a 1 or a 2 next CT Rangers...they were not a new team. Talked to the coach and they had 10 kids return from last year and the 4-5 they lost were the better players. If you mean a new team as in teams getting new players, then you are correct. All 15 teams had new players on their rosters. Islanders 2 was only true new team and had not played a game together until parity....

There wouldn't be a 1 or 2 next to their many becsuse they they don't have 2 teams in tier 1. Teams like Islanders have that designation due to the 2 tier 1 teams. They have a team in Elite this year and I also talked to someone on the team who confirmed that is where the majority of their team from last year went. And, having played them multiple times over the last couple of years i can assure you that absolutely was not the same team. 2 years ago every player on that team was quite skilled. This year, not only were they skillled, but incredibly aggressive, no way they had 10 returning players!

It's interesting when you play the same teams after a few years how you can get to recognize players and coaches. ....

Re: 06 Black Parity results

La la land
A Non
Exempt 3
NHC
BSB
BV

Parity Top 7-

Manchester Flames
Terriers R
Shamrocks
SSK
BJE
Terriers W
Islanders 2 squeaks in and puts out TG by .05% thanks to the CT Rangers.

Jr Friars to White
MMF to White
New NH Monarchs team to White
Islanders Tyngsboro headed to silver
CT Rangers team is not the team from last year - headed to silver.


How about the RI Saints?

RI saints jointed EHF?

Re: 06 Black Parity results

anon
La la land
A Non
Exempt 3
NHC
BSB
BV

Parity Top 7-

Manchester Flames
Terriers R
Shamrocks
SSK
BJE
Terriers W
Islanders 2 squeaks in and puts out TG by .05% thanks to the CT Rangers.

Jr Friars to White
MMF to White
New NH Monarchs team to White
Islanders Tyngsboro headed to silver
CT Rangers team is not the team from last year - headed to silver.


How about the RI Saints?

RI saints jointed EHF?


no. Poster is either an idiot trying to stir the pot or is really dumb and cant do any research themselves.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Everyone went in assuming CT Rangers were the class of the field. They ended up being the weakest team in parity. Nobody could've predicted that.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon
Everyone went in assuming CT Rangers were the class of the field. They ended up being the weakest team in parity. Nobody could've predicted that.

Correct. Most didn't realize they put in an Elite team and you have no idea what their tier 1 team and draw in. So now we have posters on another thread wining because the teams that played them got a "cake walk" of a schedule

Re: 06 Black Parity results

THEY DID HAVE A CAKE WALK!!!!

Re: 06 Black Parity results

02UPIN
Tell the Boston Junior Terriers Red and South Shore Kings they had a cake walk!! Did anyone see them play Islanders 2...pretty sure Terrier Red and South Shore Kings happy to see the Islander 2 team next year...all teams very equal. The Islander 2 team was a completely new team just like the CT Rangers ended up with. Parity worked perfectly in this division. No rules broken, no politics.

Ask Islander 1 how there bracket looked when it came out. Worst team in the black in Riverhawks/Islander Tyngsborough last year and two white teams...only legit team was the Shamrocks...

Terriers won all 4/Kings won 3 and they both had 1 point game with Islanders 2. They can clearly compete with either of those teams. Only top gun is complaining

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Top Gun got jobbed, no doubt, but maybe a blessing in disguise. Ask the River Hawks how it felt to play a whole season and only win a couple games. Not the best thing for a kid's confidence.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon
Top Gun got jobbed, no doubt, but maybe a blessing in disguise. Ask the River Hawks how it felt to play a whole season and only win a couple games. Not the best thing for a kid's confidence.

How did Top Gun get jobbed. If they made it in the next team below them would be whining. That's just how it goes.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon
Anon
Top Gun got jobbed, no doubt, but maybe a blessing in disguise. Ask the River Hawks how it felt to play a whole season and only win a couple games. Not the best thing for a kid's confidence.

How did Top Gun get jobbed. If they made it in the next team below them would be whining. That's just how it goes.


Because the #1 seed in the tourney ended up in 15th place. All the brackets are structured based upon those rankings/seedings.

You can't tell me the -----balanced brackets were then created----language makes sense here can you? It would be no big deal if it weren't so egregious.

Wouldn't people feel the same way if say Islanders Tyngsboro came in and crushed everyone by 10 goals minimum with an entirely new team?

Re: 06 Black Parity results

A Non
Anon
Anon
Top Gun got jobbed, no doubt, but maybe a blessing in disguise. Ask the River Hawks how it felt to play a whole season and only win a couple games. Not the best thing for a kid's confidence.

How did Top Gun get jobbed. If they made it in the next team below them would be whining. That's just how it goes.


Because the #1 seed in the tourney ended up in 15th place. All the brackets are structured based upon those rankings/seedings.

You can't tell me the -----balanced brackets were then created----language makes sense here can you? It would be no big deal if it weren't so egregious.

Wouldn't people feel the same way if say Islanders Tyngsboro came in and crushed everyone by 10 goals minimum with an entirely new team?

And do you think that was some conspiracy to keep Top Gun out and get the teams that played Rangers in? No way to know how good any new team will be. Everyone will admit there are flaws in parity. If you don't think everyone South of Boston cringed two years eveytime they saw that drive to the icenter on the schedule. Kids loved it because they got to try out different positions because coaches were nice enough not to run up the score. So last year they made some changes and had a decent year. That's great. And yes, I'm sure most would admit that the bottom few in the black might find a competitive game against last years two top white teams but we are still splitting hairs here. Fortunately we won't have to listen to Top Gun parents complain about just how horrible it is to play those bottom teams that will now be known as Silver and the white division will be stronger with a few of last years black teams in white. My suggestion: you got next year, move on and get over it because no one likes a whiner

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Both TG and IHC2's opponents totaled 8-8 records. IHC had CJR on its schedule, TG had ICHT. Both 0-4 teams. TG Dad is splitting hairs here. Two goals made the difference, where TG lost it's bid was in their 2 goal loss to NS Shamrocks.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon
A Non
Anon
Anon
Top Gun got jobbed, no doubt, but maybe a blessing in disguise. Ask the River Hawks how it felt to play a whole season and only win a couple games. Not the best thing for a kid's confidence.

How did Top Gun get jobbed. If they made it in the next team below them would be whining. That's just how it goes.


Because the #1 seed in the tourney ended up in 15th place. All the brackets are structured based upon those rankings/seedings.

You can't tell me the -----balanced brackets were then created----language makes sense here can you? It would be no big deal if it weren't so egregious.

Wouldn't people feel the same way if say Islanders Tyngsboro came in and crushed everyone by 10 goals minimum with an entirely new team?

And do you think that was some conspiracy to keep Top Gun out and get the teams that played Rangers in? No way to know how good any new team will be. Everyone will admit there are flaws in parity. If you don't think everyone South of Boston cringed two years eveytime they saw that drive to the icenter on the schedule. Kids loved it because they got to try out different positions because coaches were nice enough not to run up the score. So last year they made some changes and had a decent year. That's great. And yes, I'm sure most would admit that the bottom few in the black might find a competitive game against last years two top white teams but we are still splitting hairs here. Fortunately we won't have to listen to Top Gun parents complain about just how horrible it is to play those bottom teams that will now be known as Silver and the white division will be stronger with a few of last years black teams in white. My suggestion: you got next year, move on and get over it because no one likes a whiner


Definitely not a conspiracy. I'm guessing only ones who knew would be CT Rangers. It's just how it turned out that a couple teams benefited as a result and one that was right on the bubble got bumped out by that fact alone. It's not whining it's just an opportunity for improvement in the parity seeding system. If you return less that 50% of your team from last year, you're a new team. Easy enough. White will be much better now instead of just two teams running away with it. Everyone is going to be better off and that's all that matters.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

02UPIN
Tell the Boston Junior Terriers Red and South Shore Kings they had a cake walk!! Did anyone see them play Islanders 2...pretty sure Terrier Red and South Shore Kings happy to see the Islander 2 team next year...all teams very equal. The Islander 2 team was a completely new team just like the CT Rangers ended up with. Parity worked perfectly in this division. No rules broken, no politics.

Ask Islander 1 how there bracket looked when it came out. Worst team in the black in Riverhawks/Islander Tyngsborough last year and two white teams...only legit team was the Shamrocks...


Even though you've clearly dismissed them, two White teams essentially played into Black and would have made it as at large bids had the real CT Rangers(as seeded) showed up.


Kings don't beat the CT Rangers team from last year 8-2 and therefore go 2-2 ---that's not a stretch to say. They're odd man out. Happy for them playing in, they absolutely deserve it, but that CT Rangers win was the golden ticket. Same for Islanders 2, they got a freebie.

Islander 1 was on the bubble anyway going in from last year's standings, got beat 7-0 by TG.

Not a TG parent but they got jobbed here by CT Rangers. Kings and Islanders 2 get the #1 seed turning into a layup. So much for the hardest road going through bracket A.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

02UPIN
Islanders 1 finished 7 out of 13 last year. Not on the bubble. They lost four good players and did not replace them with same level of talent for 2017-18 team. If you look at the percentage on the final parity standings, the Islander 2 team was in the top 4 after all games completed....new team never having played a game together. That Top Gun team had a hell of a time with the Islanders-Tyngsboro...Top Gun should be upset that the Boston Jr. Eagles (the new "Riverhawks" team) got in over them...but wait Eagles beat Top Gun...


Meant they(Islanders 1) would be on the bubble for a top 10 spot having finished in 7th last year. TB% for Islanders 2 and SSK is frankly all CT Rangers skew. GF hugely impacted by that.

So again, Top Gun jobbed by the mis-seeding of the brackets and Kings and Islanders 2 get in from it. It's not a conspiracy or even deliberate on anyone's part, that's just the reality. On to summer hockey.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

TG beat Islander/Riverhawks 10-4 dope!!

Re: 06 Black Parity results

They weren't even the class last year.

BSB went 2-0-1 against them late and knocked them out of semis.

Shamrocks beat them in quarters.

Now the WHOLE team is going Elite?

EHF?

Good luck.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon
They weren't even the class last year.

BSB went 2-0-1 against them late and knocked them out of semis.

Shamrocks beat them in quarters.

Now the WHOLE team is going Elite?

EHF?

Good luck.

Doubt it was the whole team but if you look at the bottom Elite teams, they might win a few. There has to be a first and there has to be a last, right?

Re: 06 Black Parity results


If you look at the MHR, you will see that they played the last place EHF elite 06 NE Junior Falcones elite during the season and lost 8-5. They had some very good individual talent, but didn't pass well enough to beat good teams when it counted. I suppose you're going to say they left their better players home for that game as well. They might obviously improve if they are going to play an elite schedule since that would attract better players. Regardless, traveling 3-4 hours each way to play a youth hockey game is absurd.

Re: 06 Black Parity results

Anon

If you look at the MHR, you will see that they played the last place EHF elite 06 NE Junior Falcones elite during the season and lost 8-5. They had some very good individual talent, but didn't pass well enough to beat good teams when it counted. I suppose you're going to say they left their better players home for that game as well. They might obviously improve if they are going to play an elite schedule since that would attract better players. Regardless, traveling 3-4 hours each way to play a youth hockey game is absurd.



Couldn't agree more.

Who is the asshat inviting teams over 3 hrs away to play as 10-11 yr olds?