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HAAAAAAAAA...pure gold.
And...welcome to the D Board!
You're getting an "MBA" and are turning to the D Board for research?
Can you hear the cars on I-93 in the classrooms at Bunker Hill?
I am pretty sure a two year community college does not offer an MBA program. But thanks for being the comedian. Obviously this is not going to help me but I can just put an estimate. Thanks again.
HAAAAAAAAA
"I guess my next question would be is why all the hate for town hockey?"
Answer: Because over 80% of the trolls that post negative noise everyday on this board are trying to live through their kids and failed sports careers.
Same as...les you see at every youth practice plotting behind the glass and gossiping about 8-12yr old players ability to each other. Same guys that cant even reach over their beer bellies to tie their own skates..
If I was looking for some real constructive input for your paper I would find it elsewhere........or do your paper on bitter Hockey parents with INFERIORITY COMPLEXES.
BTW-no town hockey kids here to attack.
The simple answer or the thesis is town hockey can not compete and remain a true not for profit. They need to own a rink so the can have set ice times they need a board that is not filled with townies trying to keep their friends together so they can go on benders with their benders together they need true skills and off ice and they need to play at highest level possible...never happen they can never compete....
Agreed. Another issue is I do not think you can own a rink with just one sheet of ice and break even (seeing as though most oganizations would need to finance some of this as well) You would need multiple sheets of ice which makes the cost of construction and land acquisition go up.
Next you would need to field an elite team of your own and with the current numbers I really doubt that would be possible.
I am thinking you would need to condsolidate a few town programs into one - Fundraise like crazy and build a rink with at least two sheets of ice and have a board that knows that the product on the ice is marketing for the business.
Town hockey will remain a niche sector where parents can pay a a smaller fee for their kids to play hockey. But the best players will continue to leave for the better opportunity.
And I think thats ok. This is about the kids developement and if they can play against better compettion and get more ice time for practice than its a win win.
I occasionally run into those dad's. Not at the rink of course as ALL of their kids are out of competitive hockey( and most other sports). Unfortunately for them all that socializing, pandering, politicizing really did nothing to help their players development. Now the kids are all still friends but sadly the parents never see each other anymore.
I am writing an MBA paper on the state of town hockey and how they can compete going forward with the changing landscape in youth hockey.
According to your response if my kid played Elite hockey I would know the answer? So this figure is communicated to all the parents?
Thanks for your response. I guess I should have clarified what I was doing.
I guess my next question would be is why all the hate for town hockey? If your kid does not play town hockey and your program is making them better than anyone in town hockey than you should be happy that town hockey still exists. When your kid gets to high school there will less completion for a spot on the team. And I am only saying why all the hate for town hockey because this board has a lot of posts putting down town hockey. It is not necessarily your post that triggered that question.
If anyone is reading this, thank you for your help.
You can get the tax returns for any non-profit online for free so I am basically taking an average of the monies in the bank, what I can find out about ice time costs, etc and putting together a plan on how a "fictional town hockey program can grow and compete with the big for profit places. So any information I can get on costs is very helpful. And I know these are private companies so it is difficult to get some of the details.
I just thought this was a interesting subject and this board has been useful. And yes some posts will be quoted and cited in my paper but no names will be used. And not many people will read it so no worries.
If you are really attempting an MBA research project on "How to save town hockey", coaches being paid/not paid has little to no impact on the reasons parents leave town hockey.
I am writing an MBA paper on the state of town hockey and how they can compete going forward with the changing landscape in youth hockey.
According to your response if my kid played Elite hockey I would know the answer? So this figure is communicated to all the parents?
Thanks for your response. I guess I should have clarified what I was doing.
I guess my next question would be is why all the hate for town hockey? If your kid does not play town hockey and your program is making them better than anyone in town hockey than you should be happy that town hockey still exists. When your kid gets to high school there will less completion for a spot on the team. And I am only saying why all the hate for town hockey because this board has a lot of posts putting down town hockey. It is not necessarily your post that triggered that question.
If anyone is reading this, thank you for your help.
You can get the tax returns for any non-profit online for free so I am basically taking an average of the monies in the bank, what I can find out about ice time costs, etc and putting together a plan on how a "fictional town hockey program can grow and compete with the big for profit places. So any information I can get on costs is very helpful. And I know these are private companies so it is difficult to get some of the details.
I just thought this was a interesting subject and this board has been useful. And yes some posts will be quoted and cited in my paper but no names will be used. And not many people will read it so no worries.
If you are really attempting an MBA research project on "How to save town hockey", coaches being paid/not paid has little to no impact on the reasons parents leave town hockey.
Need to compare each organization with its pros and cons. Already got the answer but was told not to post it on here. Thanks
Basically, the history is this: About 10-12 years ago the shift kicked into full speed. As the exclusive Metro League was suffering from in-fighting more professional organizations surfaced in the region giving the kids better or at least consistent coaching, more ice time and better competition. The better kids went there and the better kids got...well, better. A youth hockey 'arms race' began...the results of taking the better players and giving them more and the results were seen at the high school level and kids who went on to play after high school were all coming out of these specialized programs. Other qualified (and some not so qualified) coaches saw an opportunity to monetize the youth hockey arms race and make a lot of money at it so more organizations popped-up. As more organizations popped up it wasn't always the better players leaving...now anyone with an interest in actually playing D-1 or D-2 high school hockey was climbing into the arms race that became youth hockey. The spiral continued taking many of the marginal Town Hockey players away until Town Hockey became a true recreational league of kids trying out hockey (at the post Squirt level and beyond) and having some fun at it rather than attempting to develop into better players who might actually play on a better than average high school team or after high school.
Most people on the DBoard left Town Hockey and jumped into the youth hockey arms race attempting to develop a hockey player. The cost, time commitment from both the parent and the kid and the obvious better play has turned many parents into elitists when it comes to hockey...and thus the disdain for those who merely want their kid to have fun. The parents of Select Hockey players need to see results (or at least act and talk like they see results) for their time & money they put into youth hockey.
Most people on the DBoard left Town Hockey and jumped into the youth hockey arms race attempting to develop a hockey player. The cost, time commitment from both the parent and the kid and the obvious better play has turned many parents into elitists when it comes to hockey...and thus the disdain for those who merely want their kid to have fun. The parents of Select Hockey players need to see results (or at least act and talk like they see results) for their time & money they put into youth hockey.
The time goes fast. Enjoy it while it lasts!
Most people on the DBoard left Town Hockey and jumped into the youth hockey arms race attempting to develop a hockey player. The cost, time commitment from both the parent and the kid and the obvious better play has turned many parents into elitists when it comes to hockey...and thus the disdain for those who merely want their kid to have fun. The parents of Select Hockey players need to see results (or at least act and talk like they see results) for their time & money they put into youth hockey.
We left town hockey because the coaches were buffoons, the politics were ridiculous, and the kids not only thought there is an "I" in team, but generally only showed up for games.
I’ll second that.
You don’t always get what you pay for with upper level club hockey, but it’s your job to put your kid in an organization and more importantly a healthy coaching staff to achieve the goal : developing their 100% potential wherever that may be for your kid. What ever level it may be. Their hard work and positive results are the “Fun” that they are playing the game for not the pizza parties.