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Teams leaving FED

There has been two meetings in the past month. Crimson, Wolverines, Shamrocks, Manchester Flames and NorthStars all headed to the E9/BHL next year. All over Parity and not being able to play into an Elite division. You heard it here first.

Re: Teams leaving FED

Crimson’s 04 team has been outscored by 80 goals in silver this season. They’re a good fit for E9.

Re: Teams leaving FED

Only program there worth keeping is the NorthStars. Rest are dregs. Didn't even know there was a program named the Wolverines. Where are they out of? Are they in Chartreuse? How can you miss a team you didn't know existed?

Re: Teams leaving FED

Honestly, as a fed coach for many years, and knowing the FED as well as anybody, the writing has been on the wall, and I am surprised we have lasted as long as we have.
We have continued to market and manage the FED as if it were 1974.
Times have changed, many leagues have come and gone, but the leagues that maintain their antiquated, old boy mentality, are now looking at the tail lights of the more cerebrally structured leagues, that have methods in place to create and maintain well balanced parity amoung divisions.

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Anon
Honestly, as a fed coach for many years, and knowing the FED as well as anybody, the writing has been on the wall, and I am surprised we have lasted as long as we have.
We have continued to market and manage the FED as if it were 1974.
Times have changed, many leagues have come and gone, but the leagues that maintain their antiquated, old boy mentality, are now looking at the tail lights of the more cerebrally structured leagues, that have methods in place to create and maintain well balanced parity amoung divisions.
EHF's only been around since 2004, a pretty far cry from 1974. Your "cerebrally structured leagues" number exactly one (1) which, when you look past the 2014 name change for marketing purposes, was formed in 2009, and has six teams that follow the exact same "old boy mentality" as the EHF.

So, the so-called "well balanced parity" you seem to crave is actually all of three teams that can play in. That makes a big difference to you?

Then switch. And I don't really care about league. I just have a bull **** meter with a low threshold, "Coach."

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EHF is going to feel the pain..yes the league has changed names a few times and has done a great job marketing. Some teams have been around since the days of Mass Selects in the 70's and 80's. In terms of e9 chartrer teams.. that is still BS. If E9 was smart They should reserve spot for last year's top 3 teams and then have a 6 team Boston-e9 play in parody that is longer 10 games. This would give Boston hockey league the JUICE it needs to go and steal more teams from FED and others.

Hockey it's the best game you can play
Wolverine

Re: Teams leaving FED

Wolverine
EHF is going to feel the pain..yes the league has changed names a few times and has done a great job marketing. Some teams have been around since the days of Mass Selects in the 70's and 80's. In terms of e9 chartrer teams.. that is still BS. If E9 was smart They should reserve spot for last year's top 3 teams and then have a 6 team Boston-e9 play in parody that is longer 10 games. This would give Boston hockey league the JUICE it needs to go and steal more teams from FED and others.

Hockey it's the best game you can play
Wolverine
Do some research. Talking leagues, not teams. MBHL to EHF wasn't a "name change."

Top Gun was a top MBHL program when the split happened. So was Assabet. If motivated, the team owners/GMs would recruit. They aren't, because people still pay, and the mediocre teams stay mediocre.

It isn't about "competitive balance," folks. Stop thinking about sports as sports. It's a business. You don't need to work to improve your competitors' business when you are chasing the same dollars. Stop paying, have your kid stay in Town, and THEN you'll see change.

And, we all know that ain't happening.

Re: Teams leaving FED

Coach - where are these " more cerebrally structured leagues " and how do I sign-up for them?

Re: Teams leaving FED

Been in the hockey scene for a short time. But, I always wondered about FED and why no other teams have an opportunity to get into elite? To ensure consistent competitive balance I would think any league would want a Parity to decide. If a team can skate into a certain division then they belong.

I think it would be best for the kids to play other teams of like talent. Whether it be in E9/BHL/Fed Elite/T1 or any other color.

At the end of the day, it is about development. Plenty of slow starters who can now out skate the kiddo's that jumped out fast early. It is a proven fact that kids develop at all different ages.

Re: Teams leaving FED

Goaliekid
Been in the hockey scene for a short time. But, I always wondered about FED and why no other teams have an opportunity to get into elite? To ensure consistent competitive balance I would think any league would want a Parity to decide. If a team can skate into a certain division then they belong.

I think it would be best for the kids to play other teams of like talent. Whether it be in E9/BHL/Fed Elite/T1 or any other color.

At the end of the day, it is about development. Plenty of slow starters who can now out skate the kiddo's that jumped out fast early. It is a proven fact that kids develop at all different ages.


Too much risk. Say for example you are in a bottom Fed Elite program. If you're a decent player you want to stay because you play against the best competition. If you're marginal, you stay because you hope that a few better players can get your team over the hump. If you're terrible, you're likely the coaches kid or have an affiliation with the coach so you're not going anywhere.

If you're a top E9 player, you're likely to get an offer from a top Fed team and you jump because of the competition and reputation of that league.

Why would a parent take a chance at leaving the Fed with the hope that their E9 team may be able to play-in to a spot only to have the same result - a team in the bottom 3? Why wouldn't the top E9 player jump to a "higher" league?

This may make sense at older ages but I wouldn't hang my hopes on how a 8-11 year old hockey team will do the next season to determine where my kid plays. This all makes sense on the Dboard but when you have parents trying to make decisions on where to send Jr for hockey, rational thought goes out the window.

As far as the other leagues around the country that NE can't compete with; look at Team Illinois. I'm an E9 parent that was out in Detroit for the tournament. We watched Team Illinois play the Islander's at the 06 level. Illinois is the good team. I stayed and spoke with one of the directors of their program. They run video sessions, have shot trackers, and make system adjustments for their games. A parent of a new player on the Illinois team said this was their first year and that the amount of time they spend on and off the ice was significant.

I can say that my son and I watched that game. He said that it was a much faster game than he plays and I noticed the same. Both teams looked very skilled but the Illinois team could control the puck much better.

The point is, for the most part, kids are where they belong. My kid belongs in the E9 and is developing. The top kids are on strong EHF teams and are competing. If you're interested in video review, shot tracking and systems - by all means, go move out to the Midwest and spend 6 days out of 7 in the rink when your kid is 11 - I know that's not for my family.

Re: Teams leaving FED

Anon
Goaliekid
Been in the hockey scene for a short time. But, I always wondered about FED and why no other teams have an opportunity to get into elite? To ensure consistent competitive balance I would think any league would want a Parity to decide. If a team can skate into a certain division then they belong.

I think it would be best for the kids to play other teams of like talent. Whether it be in E9/BHL/Fed Elite/T1 or any other color.

At the end of the day, it is about development. Plenty of slow starters who can now out skate the kiddo's that jumped out fast early. It is a proven fact that kids develop at all different ages.


Too much risk. Say for example you are in a bottom Fed Elite program. If you're a decent player you want to stay because you play against the best competition. If you're marginal, you stay because you hope that a few better players can get your team over the hump. If you're terrible, you're likely the coaches kid or have an affiliation with the coach so you're not going anywhere.

If you're a top E9 player, you're likely to get an offer from a top Fed team and you jump because of the competition and reputation of that league.

Why would a parent take a chance at leaving the Fed with the hope that their E9 team may be able to play-in to a spot only to have the same result - a team in the bottom 3? Why wouldn't the top E9 player jump to a "higher" league?

This may make sense at older ages but I wouldn't hang my hopes on how a 8-11 year old hockey team will do the next season to determine where my kid plays. This all makes sense on the Dboard but when you have parents trying to make decisions on where to send Jr for hockey, rational thought goes out the window.

As far as the other leagues around the country that NE can't compete with; look at Team Illinois. I'm an E9 parent that was out in Detroit for the tournament. We watched Team Illinois play the Islander's at the 06 level. Illinois is the good team. I stayed and spoke with one of the directors of their program. They run video sessions, have shot trackers, and make system adjustments for their games. A parent of a new player on the Illinois team said this was their first year and that the amount of time they spend on and off the ice was significant.

I can say that my son and I watched that game. He said that it was a much faster game than he plays and I noticed the same. Both teams looked very skilled but the Illinois team could control the puck much better.

The point is, for the most part, kids are where they belong. My kid belongs in the E9 and is developing. The top kids are on strong EHF teams and are competing. If you're interested in video review, shot tracking and systems - by all means, go move out to the Midwest and spend 6 days out of 7 in the rink when your kid is 11 - I know that's not for my family.


1st of all, there are only 4 AAAs in the state of Illinois, 1 AAA in Milwaukee sometimes gets a commuter from Chicago's northshore or Northern IL (but that's rare). In ILL the best players in the state are all limited to 4 total rosters. Their teams will have the most complete rosters because the top talent isn't watered down by multiple leagues and multiple teams within that league. In IL you don't choose to play AAA hockey, AAA hockey chooses you.

2nd, they aren't in the rink 6/7 days. They have 2 to 3 practices of which they try to lump skills, on ice activities and off ice activities on the same days as often as possible. So yes, they do spend more hours per day at a given rink but it isn't 6 days. Some Midwest kids downstate travel up to 3 hours to play AAA hockey, most travel 45 minutes to 1.5 hours to get to their rinks. Again... only 4 teams. 1 is in downtown chicago, 1 is in the Northshore, 1 is in the Southside burbs, and 1 is in the Western burbs. All of them have their logistic nightmare scenarios and are fairly far from each other. Which is why **** near EVERYONE spends copious amounts of time in the car to get to AAA hockey, and also why they combine skills, off-ice and on-ice to the same days and are okay with 3-3.5 hours at the rink at a time.

3rd, just like in Mass you have kids make the jump from T1 to Elite every year. So too do Illinois kids. They go from CSDHL to AAA every year. Kids drop down and go up every year. That parent you point out, Im sure is a parent of a former CSDHL player who was playing AA hockey last season. And to be quite frank, NIHL Elite and CSDHL are pretty similar and have interchangeable teams every year, meaning... CS it glorified AA hockey. That said, it's much slower and requires less investment in time, money, and preparation than AAA. Kids move up to AAA because they earned it.

4th, those kids on TI aren't better because of film, shot tracking, or skating 6/7 days of the week. They are better because they have 3 players that are legitimately amongst the best in the country. 2 D and 1 F who are legitimately top talents in the country, (who) if they stick with the sport and mature (as they hope) will be D1 players. Although they are being developed nicely by the TI staff, all 3 come from different AA programs and were recruited heavily. They played the same amount of hockey and practice as your kid from mini-Mite to Squirt Minor. TI has less to do with their success, they are physically talented kids with drive and supportive families.

Ever heard the term: "In AAA there are "PLAYERS" and "PAYERS". They're PLAYERS.

That's why they are so good. 3 kids that don't just play "elite" hockey, at their birth year they are truly Elite. And the rest of the roster is made up of the best in the state. Only 60 kids in IL get to say they play AAA hockey, the cream rises to the top. And TI doesn't have a daddy coach either, there aren't any coach's kids or owner's kids/grandkids watering down the bottom of the roster. The kids there belong.

In MA 33% of the kids don't belong in EHF Elite nor E9. In IL that number might be in the single digits.

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In MA 33% of the kids don't belong in EHF Elite nor E9. In IL that number might be in the single digits.[/quote]

In reality it's 66% of Massachusetts tier 1 players do not belong.. the analytics are there for all to see. Use 2016 USA hockey annual guide... Mass has worst #'s % of players playing the game at age 15 and over compared to other districts and states.. got to think "Elite Hockey is to blame". FED and E9 battle for tier2 talent is going to make it worse. So glad to informed and to be in strong hockey community.

Metrics all out of whack

Wolverine

Re: Teams leaving FED

Anon
Anon
Goaliekid
Been in the hockey scene for a short time. But, I always wondered about FED and why no other teams have an opportunity to get into elite? To ensure consistent competitive balance I would think any league would want a Parity to decide. If a team can skate into a certain division then they belong.

I think it would be best for the kids to play other teams of like talent. Whether it be in E9/BHL/Fed Elite/T1 or any other color.

At the end of the day, it is about development. Plenty of slow starters who can now out skate the kiddo's that jumped out fast early. It is a proven fact that kids develop at all different ages.


Too much risk. Say for example you are in a bottom Fed Elite program. If you're a decent player you want to stay because you play against the best competition. If you're marginal, you stay because you hope that a few better players can get your team over the hump. If you're terrible, you're likely the coaches kid or have an affiliation with the coach so you're not going anywhere.

If you're a top E9 player, you're likely to get an offer from a top Fed team and you jump because of the competition and reputation of that league.

Why would a parent take a chance at leaving the Fed with the hope that their E9 team may be able to play-in to a spot only to have the same result - a team in the bottom 3? Why wouldn't the top E9 player jump to a "higher" league?

This may make sense at older ages but I wouldn't hang my hopes on how a 8-11 year old hockey team will do the next season to determine where my kid plays. This all makes sense on the Dboard but when you have parents trying to make decisions on where to send Jr for hockey, rational thought goes out the window.

As far as the other leagues around the country that NE can't compete with; look at Team Illinois. I'm an E9 parent that was out in Detroit for the tournament. We watched Team Illinois play the Islander's at the 06 level. Illinois is the good team. I stayed and spoke with one of the directors of their program. They run video sessions, have shot trackers, and make system adjustments for their games. A parent of a new player on the Illinois team said this was their first year and that the amount of time they spend on and off the ice was significant.

I can say that my son and I watched that game. He said that it was a much faster game than he plays and I noticed the same. Both teams looked very skilled but the Illinois team could control the puck much better.

The point is, for the most part, kids are where they belong. My kid belongs in the E9 and is developing. The top kids are on strong EHF teams and are competing. If you're interested in video review, shot tracking and systems - by all means, go move out to the Midwest and spend 6 days out of 7 in the rink when your kid is 11 - I know that's not for my family.


1st of all, there are only 4 AAAs in the state of Illinois, 1 AAA in Milwaukee sometimes gets a commuter from Chicago's northshore or Northern IL (but that's rare). In ILL the best players in the state are all limited to 4 total rosters. Their teams will have the most complete rosters because the top talent isn't watered down by multiple leagues and multiple teams within that league. In IL you don't choose to play AAA hockey, AAA hockey chooses you.

2nd, they aren't in the rink 6/7 days. They have 2 to 3 practices of which they try to lump skills, on ice activities and off ice activities on the same days as often as possible. So yes, they do spend more hours per day at a given rink but it isn't 6 days. Some Midwest kids downstate travel up to 3 hours to play AAA hockey, most travel 45 minutes to 1.5 hours to get to their rinks. Again... only 4 teams. 1 is in downtown chicago, 1 is in the Northshore, 1 is in the Southside burbs, and 1 is in the Western burbs. All of them have their logistic nightmare scenarios and are fairly far from each other. Which is why **** near EVERYONE spends copious amounts of time in the car to get to AAA hockey, and also why they combine skills, off-ice and on-ice to the same days and are okay with 3-3.5 hours at the rink at a time.

3rd, just like in Mass you have kids make the jump from T1 to Elite every year. So too do Illinois kids. They go from CSDHL to AAA every year. Kids drop down and go up every year. That parent you point out, Im sure is a parent of a former CSDHL player who was playing AA hockey last season. And to be quite frank, NIHL Elite and CSDHL are pretty similar and have interchangeable teams every year, meaning... CS it glorified AA hockey. That said, it's much slower and requires less investment in time, money, and preparation than AAA. Kids move up to AAA because they earned it.

4th, those kids on TI aren't better because of film, shot tracking, or skating 6/7 days of the week. They are better because they have 3 players that are legitimately amongst the best in the country. 2 D and 1 F who are legitimately top talents in the country, (who) if they stick with the sport and mature (as they hope) will be D1 players. Although they are being developed nicely by the TI staff, all 3 come from different AA programs and were recruited heavily. They played the same amount of hockey and practice as your kid from mini-Mite to Squirt Minor. TI has less to do with their success, they are physically talented kids with drive and supportive families.

Ever heard the term: "In AAA there are "PLAYERS" and "PAYERS". They're PLAYERS.

That's why they are so good. 3 kids that don't just play "elite" hockey, at their birth year they are truly Elite. And the rest of the roster is made up of the best in the state. Only 60 kids in IL get to say they play AAA hockey, the cream rises to the top. And TI doesn't have a daddy coach either, there aren't any coach's kids or owner's kids/grandkids watering down the bottom of the roster. The kids there belong.

In MA 33% of the kids don't belong in EHF Elite nor E9. In IL that number might be in the single digits.


In Mass it is more like 85 - 90 % really are not elite . Lets face it if Mass made a few real elite teams at any given birth year it would be three or four teams to compete nationally thats it three or four teams woth all of our watered down rubish . In Mass the dollar comes first development second .

That is why so many 08 parents will be sad in a couple of years , sure right now there are some good talented teams and players that could compete nationally however as the years go by the number dwindles as it usually does .

Re: Teams leaving FED

anon
Anon
Anon
Goaliekid
Been in the hockey scene for a short time. But, I always wondered about FED and why no other teams have an opportunity to get into elite? To ensure consistent competitive balance I would think any league would want a Parity to decide. If a team can skate into a certain division then they belong.

I think it would be best for the kids to play other teams of like talent. Whether it be in E9/BHL/Fed Elite/T1 or any other color.

At the end of the day, it is about development. Plenty of slow starters who can now out skate the kiddo's that jumped out fast early. It is a proven fact that kids develop at all different ages.


Too much risk. Say for example you are in a bottom Fed Elite program. If you're a decent player you want to stay because you play against the best competition. If you're marginal, you stay because you hope that a few better players can get your team over the hump. If you're terrible, you're likely the coaches kid or have an affiliation with the coach so you're not going anywhere.

If you're a top E9 player, you're likely to get an offer from a top Fed team and you jump because of the competition and reputation of that league.

Why would a parent take a chance at leaving the Fed with the hope that their E9 team may be able to play-in to a spot only to have the same result - a team in the bottom 3? Why wouldn't the top E9 player jump to a "higher" league?

This may make sense at older ages but I wouldn't hang my hopes on how a 8-11 year old hockey team will do the next season to determine where my kid plays. This all makes sense on the Dboard but when you have parents trying to make decisions on where to send Jr for hockey, rational thought goes out the window.

As far as the other leagues around the country that NE can't compete with; look at Team Illinois. I'm an E9 parent that was out in Detroit for the tournament. We watched Team Illinois play the Islander's at the 06 level. Illinois is the good team. I stayed and spoke with one of the directors of their program. They run video sessions, have shot trackers, and make system adjustments for their games. A parent of a new player on the Illinois team said this was their first year and that the amount of time they spend on and off the ice was significant.

I can say that my son and I watched that game. He said that it was a much faster game than he plays and I noticed the same. Both teams looked very skilled but the Illinois team could control the puck much better.

The point is, for the most part, kids are where they belong. My kid belongs in the E9 and is developing. The top kids are on strong EHF teams and are competing. If you're interested in video review, shot tracking and systems - by all means, go move out to the Midwest and spend 6 days out of 7 in the rink when your kid is 11 - I know that's not for my family.


1st of all, there are only 4 AAAs in the state of Illinois, 1 AAA in Milwaukee sometimes gets a commuter from Chicago's northshore or Northern IL (but that's rare). In ILL the best players in the state are all limited to 4 total rosters. Their teams will have the most complete rosters because the top talent isn't watered down by multiple leagues and multiple teams within that league. In IL you don't choose to play AAA hockey, AAA hockey chooses you.

2nd, they aren't in the rink 6/7 days. They have 2 to 3 practices of which they try to lump skills, on ice activities and off ice activities on the same days as often as possible. So yes, they do spend more hours per day at a given rink but it isn't 6 days. Some Midwest kids downstate travel up to 3 hours to play AAA hockey, most travel 45 minutes to 1.5 hours to get to their rinks. Again... only 4 teams. 1 is in downtown chicago, 1 is in the Northshore, 1 is in the Southside burbs, and 1 is in the Western burbs. All of them have their logistic nightmare scenarios and are fairly far from each other. Which is why **** near EVERYONE spends copious amounts of time in the car to get to AAA hockey, and also why they combine skills, off-ice and on-ice to the same days and are okay with 3-3.5 hours at the rink at a time.

3rd, just like in Mass you have kids make the jump from T1 to Elite every year. So too do Illinois kids. They go from CSDHL to AAA every year. Kids drop down and go up every year. That parent you point out, Im sure is a parent of a former CSDHL player who was playing AA hockey last season. And to be quite frank, NIHL Elite and CSDHL are pretty similar and have interchangeable teams every year, meaning... CS it glorified AA hockey. That said, it's much slower and requires less investment in time, money, and preparation than AAA. Kids move up to AAA because they earned it.

4th, those kids on TI aren't better because of film, shot tracking, or skating 6/7 days of the week. They are better because they have 3 players that are legitimately amongst the best in the country. 2 D and 1 F who are legitimately top talents in the country, (who) if they stick with the sport and mature (as they hope) will be D1 players. Although they are being developed nicely by the TI staff, all 3 come from different AA programs and were recruited heavily. They played the same amount of hockey and practice as your kid from mini-Mite to Squirt Minor. TI has less to do with their success, they are physically talented kids with drive and supportive families.

Ever heard the term: "In AAA there are "PLAYERS" and "PAYERS". They're PLAYERS.

That's why they are so good. 3 kids that don't just play "elite" hockey, at their birth year they are truly Elite. And the rest of the roster is made up of the best in the state. Only 60 kids in IL get to say they play AAA hockey, the cream rises to the top. And TI doesn't have a daddy coach either, there aren't any coach's kids or owner's kids/grandkids watering down the bottom of the roster. The kids there belong.

In MA 33% of the kids don't belong in EHF Elite nor E9. In IL that number might be in the single digits.


In Mass it is more like 85 - 90 % really are not elite . Lets face it if Mass made a few real elite teams at any given birth year it would be three or four teams to compete nationally thats it three or four teams woth all of our watered down rubish . In Mass the dollar comes first development second .

That is why so many 08 parents will be sad in a couple of years , sure right now there are some good talented teams and players that could compete nationally however as the years go by the number dwindles as it usually does .


Parents here really could care less how their kids compare to other teams nationally. They just want to be able to say their kid plays elite hockey, to their neighbor, relatives, FB friends, little Johnny's friends parents, etc. That's it. Current going price for that is $3500. It all goes away by HS anyway.

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HS hockey in IL is terrible. The top kids don't bother to play Varsity anymore. The elite ones play Jr., the good ones play AAA and CSDHL. MA is fortunate that kids still want to play Prep School and Varsity Hockey. If clubs have their way, they'll destroy HS hockey in MA.

Re: Teams leaving FED

please use the correct terminology. Tier 1 and Tier 2. The Fed's definition of Tier 1 is fake.

Re: Teams leaving FED

Anon
please use the correct terminology. Tier 1 and Tier 2. The Fed's definition of Tier 1 is fake.


Fake news.. that is the Federation Way

Re: Teams leaving FED

Anon
please use the correct terminology. Tier 1 and Tier 2. The Fed's definition of Tier 1 is fake.
lease use the correct terminology. You are pedantic. Everyone already knows the tiering is imprecise.

Re: Teams leaving FED

Anon
Goaliekid
Been in the hockey scene for a short time. But, I always wondered about FED and why no other teams have an opportunity to get into elite? To ensure consistent competitive balance I would think any league would want a Parity to decide. If a team can skate into a certain division then they belong.

I think it would be best for the kids to play other teams of like talent. Whether it be in E9/BHL/Fed Elite/T1 or any other color.

At the end of the day, it is about development. Plenty of slow starters who can now out skate the kiddo's that jumped out fast early. It is a proven fact that kids develop at all different ages.


Too much risk. Say for example you are in a bottom Fed Elite program. If you're a decent player you want to stay because you play against the best competition. If you're marginal, you stay because you hope that a few better players can get your team over the hump. If you're terrible, you're likely the coaches kid or have an affiliation with the coach so you're not going anywhere.

If you're a top E9 player, you're likely to get an offer from a top Fed team and you jump because of the competition and reputation of that league.

Why would a parent take a chance at leaving the Fed with the hope that their E9 team may be able to play-in to a spot only to have the same result - a team in the bottom 3? Why wouldn't the top E9 player jump to a "higher" league?

This may make sense at older ages but I wouldn't hang my hopes on how a 8-11 year old hockey team will do the next season to determine where my kid plays. This all makes sense on the Dboard but when you have parents trying to make decisions on where to send Jr for hockey, rational thought goes out the window.

As far as the other leagues around the country that NE can't compete with; look at Team Illinois. I'm an E9 parent that was out in Detroit for the tournament. We watched Team Illinois play the Islander's at the 06 level. Illinois is the good team. I stayed and spoke with one of the directors of their program. They run video sessions, have shot trackers, and make system adjustments for their games. A parent of a new player on the Illinois team said this was their first year and that the amount of time they spend on and off the ice was significant.

I can say that my son and I watched that game. He said that it was a much faster game than he plays and I noticed the same. Both teams looked very skilled but the Illinois team could control the puck much better.

The point is, for the most part, kids are where they belong. My kid belongs in the E9 and is developing. The top kids are on strong EHF teams and are competing. If you're interested in video review, shot tracking and systems - by all means, go move out to the Midwest and spend 6 days out of 7 in the rink when your kid is 11 - I know that's not for my family.


A big factor you leave out is where can a parent drive to on a weeknight? A top player may stay on a e-9 or tier 1 team because it is the only rink the parents can get the kid to on a weeknight after work. You act like player movement has no boundries.

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Now that is a new one... my son plays AAA because the rink is closer... are there really AAA teams that play at rinks where it is a big Dif to get to elite team?..... okay if the only team you can make is Top Gun or Bandits and you live in Boston or western mass I get it... in that case you are more a AAA player anyway and are in the right place... if a kid lives in mass and is a solid EHF Elite player there is a program you can get to.

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ANON
Now that is a new one... my son plays AAA because the rink is closer... are there really AAA teams that play at rinks where it is a big Dif to get to elite team?..... okay if the only team you can make is Top Gun or Bandits and you live in Boston or western mass I get it... in that case you are more a AAA player anyway and are in the right place... if a kid lives in mass and is a solid EHF Elite player there is a program you can get to.
Happens a lot - people won't take on unreasonable traffic or won't drive 30 minutes in the wrong direction if they have other kids they have to cart to other activities. Sometimes, logistics have to take precedence.

And, it won't matter in the end. Cream still rises.

Re: Teams leaving FED

ANON
Now that is a new one... my son plays AAA because the rink is closer... are there really AAA teams that play at rinks where it is a big Dif to get to elite team?..... okay if the only team you can make is Top Gun or Bandits and you live in Boston or western mass I get it... in that case you are more a AAA player anyway and are in the right place... if a kid lives in mass and is a solid EHF Elite player there is a program you can get to.


No, but you do see kids play in the E9/BHL for elite teams that could make the elite teams at several EHF programs however the driving distance kills it.

For example, if you live in an area that has a notoriously weak EHF program but has a decent program, that played in the E9 or even BHL then it is a no brainier for most. The crazies that still think they have to play in the FED to be considered good wont grasp this concept.

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You act like player movement has no boundries. [/quote]

Another big problem...cottage rules would fix this situation. And USA hockey getting off their ass and eliminate the Mass district all together. Start implimanting their power as the sports governing body.. Make districts, leagues and teams falling in line w. USA Hockey norms and values or access to sectionals, regionals or nationals is at risk.

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E9 is not there yet.. will take a few years but the league has potential to overtake Eastern Hockey Federation as the top development league in New England. E9's gem is their Boston Hockey League and there 3 bids in each E9 division. These parody spots will enable new Boston Hockey League teams to recruit players that they would not be able to ger access to going forward in the Fed's "old boy club"... they set the rules and now the teams have options. For me I dont care.. both leagues are making big mistakes. The money is there but the talent and coaching is not.

Sad but true

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Vipers are trying to make amends also and get back to the " league". It was wrong what happened to them last year. Everybody knows they are moving leagues

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Fed Elite teams hold a monopoly over the rest of the Fed teams who have an "elite team" stuck in Tier 1. If I were one of these T1 clubs why would I accept the status quo? Im basically relegated as a feeder program to the "elite tier" programs in perpetuity. EHF rewards lazy programs like Top Gun, Capitals, and Bandits who do little to develop and cannot compete with the MMFs and IHCsin most birth years. The lower Elite teams simply rely on T1 players moving up to Elite from within but mostly from other programs that cannot get to elite tier. If I were the Vipers, Shamrocks, etc, why stay in a patently unfair league. At least in the E9/BHL there is an opportunity to play into 1/3 of available slots in the Elite tier. Does the E9 have its issues? Yes. Wizards boys don't belong, travel footprint is too wide, etc. But the league has showed that it's willing to make adjustments to get it right. See Assabet Valley moving up to permanent status, see Jr Rangers given opportunity to regroup and compete in the BHL level. See play-in tournament. I say good for Vipers, Man' Flames, Northstars, and Shamrocks. These are good programs that would otherwise never get a shot by the EHF to compete in the elite tier. Not even a chance to qualify... think about that absurdity. As for the Wolverines, it's a new program that plays in an area where town participation is high, it has its fairly affluent areas, AND they are too good to play EMHL. E9 may be too high a jump for them but BHL is right up their alley for now. And who knows in 10 years... maybe they will have enough skaters to be an elite program. At the least with the E9/BHL what the Wolverines do on the ice will determine where they play in a given birth year, as opposed to some fat guys in a boardroom protecting their investment telling them "you can't play with us".

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None of the teams in question, save the NorthStars, have ever been able to demonstrate the ability to field Elite programs. How many times in the last three years have they even won Tier 1 in a birth year?

The Wolverines are being run by the Michaels boys, who have shown less of ability to develop competitive teams than they did in the extremely average college playing careers. The Price program fell on their faces as an "EMHL-Type" girls program.

We need meritocracy, not entitlements. Prove you belong, THEN say you want to come up onto the big porch.

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Anon
None of the teams in question, save the NorthStars, have ever been able to demonstrate the ability to field Elite programs. How many times in the last three years have they even won Tier 1 in a birth year?

The Wolverines are being run by the Michaels boys, who have shown less of ability to develop competitive teams than they did in the extremely average college playing careers. The Price program fell on their faces as an "EMHL-Type" girls program.

We need meritocracy, not entitlements. Prove you belong, THEN say you want to come up onto the big porch.


T1 Entitled teams? Huh? Because TG, Bandits, and Caps aren't living high off the hog. They are the poster boys for not only mediocrity, but sub standard program management. Having to prove nothing other than "we're part of the good ole boys club" for the distinct opportunity to play in the league's top division. Now that's ENTITLEMENT.

Furthermore, how do you expect T1 teams to demonstrate consistency when they lose their top players to EHF "elite" programs every year.

Go to E9/BHL, have the chance to prove you belong in the top division at any given birth year. It's really a no brainer... if you're a T1 team with your "elite team" stuck in T1 you should run, not walk to the E9/BHL.

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Using 06 as an example, Shamrocks, Flames, and Northstars are right where they belong in Tier 1 Black.

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Anon
Using 06 as an example, Shamrocks, Flames, and Northstars are right where they belong in Tier 1 Black.
I'd say Northstars, Shamrocks, Vipers and Manchester flames could more than compete with the bottom 4-5 06 Elite teams

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Those teams are right where they belong, in a competitively balanced division where none of them is dominating. They've got a number of losses and ties to the Tier I teams of elite-organization teams. The last thing the 06 elite division needs is some more automatic wins for the top five or six teams - a waste of everyone's time.

Re: Teams leaving FED

Anon
Those teams are right where they belong, in a competitively balanced division where none of them is dominating. They've got a number of losses and ties to the Tier I teams of elite-organization teams. The last thing the 06 elite division needs is some more automatic wins for the top five or six teams - a waste of everyone's time.
You must have a kid on those bottom few teams that are afraid to find out your team is really the equivalent of a tier 1 team :grinning:

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Tier 1 Fed is actually Tier 2, Get your terminology straight Fed Bozo. Enjoy your AA team.

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Teams should leave: Teams are bring in players every game play game to make the playoff. If the EHF will not enforce the roster freeze rules then move to a league that will. E9/BHL

Re: Teams leaving FED

WN you must have a lot of time on your hands. You are going to be on the board too much now.

Re: Teams leaving FED

Dicky Dunn
There has been two meetings in the past month. Crimson, Wolverines, Shamrocks, Manchester Flames and NorthStars all headed to the E9/BHL next year. All over Parity and not being able to play into an Elite division. You heard it here first.


Thank Christ.

Couple of those organizations were meant for the E9, hope they find a home where they can can turn off the scoreboard, play small area games and wait for the hittin to start.

#fedelite4lyfe

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#fedBS4life

Haha

Red army USSR

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What's a good number of games to know where the kids skill level is?12-14? Maybe have a weekend tourney with the bottom 2-3 elite vs the top 2-3 black tier 1, depending on what happens teams move up or down. Not to sure how difficult it is to change around the remaining games and parents egos might take a hit but I'd rather my son not be involved in blowouts winning or losing.

Re: Teams leaving FED

Anon
What's a good number of games to know where the kids skill level is?12-14? Maybe have a weekend tourney with the bottom 2-3 elite vs the top 2-3 black tier 1, depending on what happens teams move up or down. Not to sure how difficult it is to change around the remaining games and parents egos might take a hit but I'd rather my son not be involved in blowouts winning or losing.

Fed tried this a few years ago. Anyone remember this? They pulled the plug in the middle of the process. They should reconsider if they truly have the goal of supporting a league with four tiers (and collecting all of that revenue). Having a top tier that is not accessible to the teams in the other three tiers is a business risk.

The threat to their business is teams leaving for another league where they perceive their opportunity to play in the top division is better (or even possible). The E9/BHL provides this opportunity, which has to be a huge selling point for these unaffiliated organizations. After everyone leaves and the Fed Tier 1 divisions are made up solely of second tier charter member teams, it'll be too late.

If their goal is exclusivity at the elite level, then they should be prepared to lose market share over time as teams flee for the BHL.

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anon
Anon
What's a good number of games to know where the kids skill level is?12-14? Maybe have a weekend tourney with the bottom 2-3 elite vs the top 2-3 black tier 1, depending on what happens teams move up or down. Not to sure how difficult it is to change around the remaining games and parents egos might take a hit but I'd rather my son not be involved in blowouts winning or losing.

Fed tried this a few years ago. Anyone remember this? They pulled the plug in the middle of the process. They should reconsider if they truly have the goal of supporting a league with four tiers (and collecting all of that revenue). Having a top tier that is not accessible to the teams in the other three tiers is a business risk.

The threat to their business is teams leaving for another league where they perceive their opportunity to play in the top division is better (or even possible). The E9/BHL provides this opportunity, which has to be a huge selling point for these unaffiliated organizations. After everyone leaves and the Fed Tier 1 divisions are made up solely of second tier charter member teams, it'll be too late.

If their goal is exclusivity at the elite level, then they should be prepared to lose market share over time as teams flee for the BHL.


Nobody flees to the BHL, they flee from it.

If they do, it's like a horse running into a burning barn, they don't know any better.



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anon
anon
Anon
What's a good number of games to know where the kids skill level is?12-14? Maybe have a weekend tourney with the bottom 2-3 elite vs the top 2-3 black tier 1, depending on what happens teams move up or down. Not to sure how difficult it is to change around the remaining games and parents egos might take a hit but I'd rather my son not be involved in blowouts winning or losing.

Fed tried this a few years ago. Anyone remember this? They pulled the plug in the middle of the process. They should reconsider if they truly have the goal of supporting a league with four tiers (and collecting all of that revenue). Having a top tier that is not accessible to the teams in the other three tiers is a business risk.

The threat to their business is teams leaving for another league where they perceive their opportunity to play in the top division is better (or even possible). The E9/BHL provides this opportunity, which has to be a huge selling point for these unaffiliated organizations. After everyone leaves and the Fed Tier 1 divisions are made up solely of second tier charter member teams, it'll be too late.

If their goal is exclusivity at the elite level, then they should be prepared to lose market share over time as teams flee for the BHL.


Nobody flees to the BHL, they flee from it.

If they do, it's like a horse running into a burning barn, they don't know any better.




You're talking about players, I'm talking about teams/organizations. Please keep up.

And if you are talking about EHF Elite to BHL, fine. But if you think there's a significant difference between EHF Tier 1 and BHL then you need to look harder. It's amazing how loyal people are to a league that treats them like second class citizens.

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Every year about this time people talk about all the teams that are leaving EHF and every year they add another color coded division.... Why? Because all the teams and kids are where they should be .... also if the parents and kids want to play in the EHF Elite they go tryout for one of the teams... then when they can't make any of them they go to another team or league... some at this point complain that they can't play into the league because their kid looks good playing against weaker talent.... if you don't have a single kid that an make an EHF Elite team and you can't win the black or white Div how are you going to move up..... Oh and don't tell anyone but all the owners know this as well. they are not moving leagues so that 95% of their teams can play in the AAA div of a weaker league... sorry thems the facts

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Northstars only one going to E9. Others are PHL candidates.

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Anon
Northstars only one going to E9. Others are PHL candidates.


sadly this is what i heard as well. Meetings have nothing to do with E9 because of entry fee's. PHL willing to take them on for no additional charges and less team fees. Suddenly there is more money in the owners pockets. If you think these owners care about some mysterious "prestige" of the EHF you are mistaken. They lose their best players to "Elite" teams anyway. This way they can keep the current product and make more money and offer "Premier" or "elite" level hockey. None of this Tier 1 multi colored crap.

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Dicky Dunn
There has been two meetings in the past month. Crimson, Wolverines, Shamrocks, Manchester Flames and NorthStars all headed to the E9/BHL next year. All over Parity and not being able to play into an Elite division. You heard it here first.
#fakenews. Try again.

Re: Teams leaving FED

Here is my 2 cents:

Fed Elite/E9 Create Division of 16 Teams
EHF Black, White BHL American Create Division of 16 Teams
EHF Silver, BHL National Create Division of 16 Teams

Make Hockey Great Again!

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Papa
Here is my 2 cents:

Fed Elite/E9 Create Division of 16 Teams
EHF Black, White BHL American Create Division of 16 Teams
EHF Silver, BHL National Create Division of 16 Teams

Make Hockey Great Again!
Revision:

Fed Elite stays as is.

Fed Black stays as is.

BHL, EMHL and E9 all merge with the Valley.

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:-)
Papa
Here is my 2 cents:

Fed Elite/E9 Create Division of 16 Teams
EHF Black, White BHL American Create Division of 16 Teams
EHF Silver, BHL National Create Division of 16 Teams

Make Hockey Great Again!
Revision:

Fed Elite stays as is.

Fed Black stays as is.

BHL, EMHL and E9 all merge with the Valley.
Moron, please stop.

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:-)
Papa
Here is my 2 cents:

Fed Elite/E9 Create Division of 16 Teams
EHF Black, White BHL American Create Division of 16 Teams
EHF Silver, BHL National Create Division of 16 Teams

Make Hockey Great Again!
Revision:

Fed Elite stays as is.

Fed Black stays as is.

BHL, EMHL and E9 all merge with the Valley.
^^Everything wrong with MA youth hockey, in one post.