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Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

Yup, while I’m at it I’ll run for Congress and join PETA.
Doesn’t matter if your a volunteer... DO YOUR JOB!
Starting at the Top level.

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

Anon
Yup, while I’m at it I’ll run for Congress and join PETA.
Doesn’t matter if your a volunteer... DO YOUR JOB!
Starting at the Top level.
Actually, there's a "hidden benefit" in that suggestion. If every youth parent that complains loudly about the officiating would officiate themselves, we would no longer have an officiating shortage. And not because of the additional numbers.

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

People don't want to deal with people like you. And yelling at the ref does not get you anywhere except embarrass your poor kid who is trying to do his best and have fun

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

1) Pay them more
2) Limit then to 4 games a day for Bantams and above, 6 for ages below
3) Require stronger certifications at each level
4) Implement rating system and spot checks by Referee In Chief
5) Just like players, video review of all games with reported BS

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

The problem with the refs is it still works on the Good old boy system. My son went two years ago and became a ref, his first year he worked maybe 25 Squirt C games. He repeatedly asked for more work and was denied. One of my best friends who has a very well paying 9-5 , also refs on the weekends and is very good friends with the ref scheduler would routinely get 10 games a weekend just because of his friend. So what's the incentive for a young kid to keep at it when they get no games, get harassed unmercifully by **** head parents and coaches for not much $$$ a season. It's really not a shock there is a shortage of refs.

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

Anon
The problem with the refs is it still works on the Good old boy system. My son went two years ago and became a ref, his first year he worked maybe 25 Squirt C games. He repeatedly asked for more work and was denied. One of my best friends who has a very well paying 9-5 , also refs on the weekends and is very good friends with the ref scheduler would routinely get 10 games a weekend just because of his friend. So what's the incentive for a young kid to keep at it when they get no games, get harassed unmercifully by **** head parents and coaches for not much $$$ a season. It's really not a shock there is a shortage of refs.
The incentive is to learn how life works, pay your dues, work hard, wait for your opportunities, and take advantage of them when they arise. Too many entitled parents raising entitled kids.

Not to dump on you to much, but if you have a good friend that is connected and your kid still couldn't get games, there's probably a reason.

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

I have trouble imagining how much of a complete loser a grown man must be to come on this board and complain about the ref's at a youth hockey game. Aside from safety there is nothing even remotely important in the grand scheme of things about the outcome of any game. I doubt the OP is complaining about safety issues. More likely concerned that the ref didn't see the "obvious" tripping or hook of his son that prevented him from scoring the winning goal. The ref's I have known are good people giving their time and doing their best for short money and a lot of abuse from armchair idiots. Just like you teach your kid to shake hands and say good game with the opposing team (win or lose) after a game they should be thanking the refs as well.

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

anon
I have trouble imagining how much of a complete loser a grown man must be to come on this board and complain about the ref's at a youth hockey game. Aside from safety there is nothing even remotely important in the grand scheme of things about the outcome of any game. I doubt the OP is complaining about safety issues. More likely concerned that the ref didn't see the "obvious" tripping or hook of his son that prevented him from scoring the winning goal. The ref's I have known are good people giving their time and doing their best for short money and a lot of abuse from armchair idiots. Just like you teach your kid to shake hands and say good game with the opposing team (win or lose) after a game they should be thanking the refs as well.
Think it's a mom.

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

Sorry your kid plays rec....

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

Anon
Anon
The problem with the refs is it still works on the Good old boy system. My son went two years ago and became a ref, his first year he worked maybe 25 Squirt C games. He repeatedly asked for more work and was denied. One of my best friends who has a very well paying 9-5 , also refs on the weekends and is very good friends with the ref scheduler would routinely get 10 games a weekend just because of his friend. So what\'s the incentive for a young kid to keep at it when they get no games, get harassed unmercifully by **** head parents and coaches for not much \$\$\$ a season. It\'s really not a shock there is a shortage of refs.
The incentive is to learn how life works, pay your dues, work hard, wait for your opportunities, and take advantage of them when they arise. Too many entitled parents raising entitled kids.

Not to dump on you to much, but if you have a good friend that is connected and your kid still couldn't get games, there's probably a reason.
You complain about entitled kids and not learning how to navigate life, and then bag on me not using my friendship to get him more work?

Just maybe my 16 year old was learning how to work through his issues on his own , without me stepping in and doing it for him. Could you be anymore contradictory in one post.

Not that it matters but he figured out how to network the referee crowd and now has plenty of work, all by his entitled self.

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

Anon
Anon
Anon
The problem with the refs is it still works on the Good old boy system. My son went two years ago and became a ref, his first year he worked maybe 25 Squirt C games. He repeatedly asked for more work and was denied. One of my best friends who has a very well paying 9-5 , also refs on the weekends and is very good friends with the ref scheduler would routinely get 10 games a weekend just because of his friend. So what\\\'s the incentive for a young kid to keep at it when they get no games, get harassed unmercifully by **** head parents and coaches for not much \\\$\\\$\\\$ a season. It\\\'s really not a shock there is a shortage of refs.
The incentive is to learn how life works, pay your dues, work hard, wait for your opportunities, and take advantage of them when they arise. Too many entitled parents raising entitled kids.

Not to dump on you to much, but if you have a good friend that is connected and your kid still couldn\'t get games, there\'s probably a reason.
You complain about entitled kids and not learning how to navigate life, and then bag on me not using my friendship to get him more work?

Just maybe my 16 year old was learning how to work through his issues on his own , without me stepping in and doing it for him. Could you be anymore contradictory in one post.

Not that it matters but he figured out how to network the referee crowd and now has plenty of work, all by his entitled self.
It's only contradictory if you add things that aren't there. I didn’t say anything about your "stepping in and doing it for him." He is capable of asking one of your "best friends" for assistance with getting scheduled. He could even serve as a mentor for him.

Networking IS "how life works." No contradiction there at all. It's about building relationships and paying things forward.

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

Anon
Yup, while I’m at it I’ll run for Congress and join PETA.
Doesn’t matter if your a volunteer... DO YOUR JOB!
Starting at the Top level.
Why would you pretend you know anything about the game at the "top level" based on having seen your kid play at the "bottom?"

Re: Is there any hope left for competent officiating in youth hockey?

All I really want from the refs is to ensure the kids are safe and keep the game as clean as possible. Refs are part of the game at every level and they are human. Mistakes do happen. At the youth level they are not full time employees and I feel most refs do their best.