Had somewhat of a similar situation with my town. Showed up at try outs early and was talking to the one of the board members and after telling him my son had played before and that he was looking forward to playing for the town he lived in he proceeds to tell me that he would probably be on the C team. He had never seen my son play and try outs hadn't even happened yet and when I asked him why that would be he couldn't give me a good reason. I packed up our things and left. It was clear that the teams were already decided and my son was not going to have a chance to make the A team so we left and a few weeks later tried out for the club team and he made the elite team where he has been ever since. I sometimes run in to the townies at the rink and they ask if my son could play town. I always politely decline but I should be thanking them, if my son stayed in town I don't think he would be as good as he is. The level of talent he has played against and with has motivated him to want to be better and to put in the extra skills and work, I don't think he would be that way if he stayed in town.
With all that being said I think Club hockey is 10x worse. Town has its issues with the friends and family plan but in club hockey who you know or who you are can get your kid on a great team even if that kid will be playing over their head. The things I've seen a parent do to try and get their kid on the elite team or to stay on the team are just flat out crazy. The levels of back stabbing, gossiping, lying and drama is something I would never see at town. Club hockey offers a little bit better of a product. The skills are a bit better. The practice times are a lot better and more consistent and no question the competition is much better but town parents are a little more down to earth and its less drama but are a little ignorant to the hockey outside of town. They think their little superstar is the greatest.
I commend the people who run town programs. I know it's not easy and they volunteer they're time and resources to pass along their passion of hockey to their kids and to provide an outlet that will allow other kids of the town to share in that.
"I commend the people who run town programs. I know it's not easy and they volunteer they're time and resources to pass along their passion of hockey to their kids and to provide an outlet that will allow other kids of the town to share in that."
Thanks for posting this. Usually we just get crapped on on this board.
That is just bitter. Have you seen "her" son play hockey? He is a **** good hockey player and you bash her for volunteering to run the program (no one else was willing to do it) He's not the first kid to make A's as a first year. And why are you worried about what he'll do in High School, he's 12!
I thought this thread was dead weeks ago...
Sorry this happened Joe.
For real people you do not turn to a blind eye when you know some kids out played otheres in tryouts but still got bumpped off of the A team its who you know not how good you are! I guess in weymouth hockey you do not pick the best players but the ones who are your friends and dont want to hurt there feelings well thats not going to sit well with some people and i hope this program crashes and burns becuase its the same BS as before. out with the old in with the new see how many people leave this time. its about the kids not your friendship or your ego's
Here's an idea for town hockey(everywhere) - have the town HS coaching staff do top team selections from Squirt on up. HS coach has a vested interest in keeping best players in town.
This sounds like a repeat of the BOD from the South Shore Seahawks from the mid 2000's. Some of those board members cared more about their team win/loss record than the kids - what a shocker
Both town and club hockey are corrupt. Town is dead because of it coupled with poor coaching. Tip, if you need to watch the USA Hockey coaching videos for drills you are not a good coach. Club is corrupt from a "guaranteed spots" standpoint. Some of those players are not as good as others trying out but the owners allow this to happen and pay for it with sub-par records, which the owners don't care about as long as the checks cash!
Bottom line, good players get out of these situations and get to a better situation.
I think everyone's points in this thread could be valid. Just because things go well or badly in your town doesn't mean it's not the opposite in another town. There are good coaches in town and bad ones in club and vice versa. There are knowledgeable parents and ones with blinders on. And yes, there are good players who are buried on Town B and C teams who are actually good players. I've seen plenty of games where there's one kid on an opposing B/C team who totally doesn't belong and who accounts for 4/5 of a team's goals and had the assist on the 5th.
If you happen to be stuck in a bad situation in town, I feel badly for you because I was there. My kid had to do both town and club for a couple years so that his placement in town didn't matter - he was getting the real training and competition at club, so it didn't matter that he was stuck behind the OBN kids back in town. Played town AA2 (C team) and club AAA. It was unreal. If you can afford it that's great, but if you can't it sucks because you feel like you have no options.
If you want to see how a youth program should run, look at Canton
- High School coaches involved in youth program
- 4 states titles at Pee Wee and Squirt Level this past season
- 2 Regional Championships at Pee Wee A and Squirt A level this past season
- Friendly to club players
- Excellent Leadership
- Players make teams on merit and everyone knows the score.
- Incredible Learn to Skate program which acts as a feeder system
- Regular 3rd party skills
I remember the first year my kid tried out. Because I knew nothing about hockey and wanted to help my kid get better, I naively asked if I could see the comments/scores from the independent evaluator that my kid got at tryouts (nobody else's, just my kid's info). I was told "sorry, we've thrown them all away already".
The next year he tried out I asked the day after tryouts were over. Again, only his score and only his comments, nobody else's. Since I'm a dumb parent who knows nothing about the game, I can't recognize what he's doing well and what he needs help on. I want to see what a paid evaluator sees and learn from it and get my kid some lessons/help if he's really lacking at something.
This time, the answer was the real one: we don't share that information with parents.
and that is why your Peewee A team beat Weymouth Peewee A team made them look silly and went onto win states.
Weymouth gets an invite and gets destroyed can't compete at that level I wonder why ????? Class act Canton can you show Weymouth how it is done.
Canton is not a town league at the A level. Kids all have SSK, Bandits, Huskies and other stickers on their helmets.
10:30 poster - a few years ago at the town program annual meeting, the board was looking for ideas of how to get a true evaluation for the program for the squirt through midget levels. My 2 boys have always played club and hockey and town hockey, the older is now playing college and the youngest is a second year bantam. I suggested to the B.O.D. to bring in outside evaluators, their comment was "that would never work".
how about this one ... our town program by-laws state that "regardless of talent level, an out of town player, if its his/her first year in the program, they are not eligible for a spot on the 'A' team, They will automatically be placed on the lowest team for the first year." I remember one year at tryouts there 6 out of players trying out for spots on the 'A' team, might been pee wee level, the coach went to the board requesting waivers for the out-of-town kids to play on the 'A' team. Take one guess what happened....the board allowed it and granted waivers. You only imagine the controversy this caused, parents went ballistic.
All BS.. unless you have good coaching both Club, Select and Town team are trash
This only works if the Board sticks with the outsiders ratings. I have seen outsiders do the evals and then the board starts moving kids around.
Our town program has a combo of outside eval and coach's or board members. Although no coach can evaluate kids from level they coach and no one evals own kids. The scores are combined with coach evals from Past season. Once complete scores are combined and list is created. Then there is a meeting with each level inviting coach of level they are going to and level coming from as well as board member and 1 unbiased tiebreaker if needed. They talk about the shots and talk about any abnormal scores. They then talk bubble players and all agree on team.
Problem with just using outside evals are they do not know the kids as well as coach's that see them every day and if kids have an unexpected fall or is doing a drill with someone not nearly as talented and may get a low score.
We have been doing this for a few years now and works well.
Would love to see this happening everywhere. Instead, our RI local organization is making some birth year teams and creating unequal teams within a division where they field 2 teams. Makes for very disgruntled parents when one B team is seen as the better and the other is seen as the worse team. What's the point of doing this at state league B hockey? Makes the organization look like a bunch of idiots when they think that winning the state B tournament is worth something. It's rec hockey!
why do most parents, of any kid that was ever NOT selected for a team, immediately have an excuse for why their kid was cut? But they watched tryouts, with their unarguable knowledge of hockey, and no way their kid was not good enough to make it.
this thread is a perfect example of that.
have they ever had to pick a team? Have they ever really looked at their child's ability objectively?
In most cases, NO, but that never stops them from slinging mud.
must be because the coach/board is corrupt.
must be that the coach hates them or their kid
must be because their kid got skipped in line on the bench twice during tryouts
must be that the team was picked before tryouts
must be political
must be because their kid was tired
must be because other kids were familiar with the drills they ran in tryouts
Hey Joe. Mix in a period or comma sometimes..
Last year we had a changing of the guard in our town's player evaluation program, and for the first time that I can remember we had good placements in every age group, top to bottom. There wasn't one team (squirt, pee wee, bantam) where I saw a kid and wondered "how did that kid make that team??" This included the Old Boy Network kids, which was outstanding and gave me a lot of hope that things were turning around. They were placed where they belonged, skill-wise, and they were on the B and C teams where they fit.
This year, some of the Old Boy Network influence has started to creep back in: kids who should have made higher teams who didn't, and kids who should not be on higher teams (but who have OBN parents) placed on teams above their heads.
Full disclosure: my kids are in clubs this year so I have no skin in the game, just empathy for lots of friends who are still in town and talking about this year's outliers. Friends with kids on A, B, and C, so miss me with the glib sour grapes nonsense.
I do wonder sometimes though, if you're the OBN parents of one of the kids who is playing over their head, how do you feel seeing Junior floundering compared to the other kids on the team? Seeing him muff passes, skate slowly, shoot weakly, as compared to his teammates. Coming up with new excuses every week to give to the other parents in the stands for why Junior is underperforming this time. Do they recognize when he's put on a line with a babysitter, or do they see it as a reflection of how "good" their kid is to be on the line with one of the team's strongest players? Do they feel the icy looks from the babysitter's parents when the line fails again to produce because their kid couldn't make the play? Do they feel any shame that the rest of us recognize what is going on but have the decency not to call them out in public for it?
When we're done with this thread maybe one can be started about coach's kids and their friends in select who get more playing time than is warranted?
Fact is whether it's town or select, kids with connections get extra benefits.
Much like life in general.
Look around D-1 college hockey and you tell me if "kids with connections get extra benefits" or not. BC's entire roster is made-up of connected kids....and that's why they aren't as good as they should be.
This is just life in general. Everyone has those people at work who suck at their jobs but are connected to the right people and get promotions over people who work harder.
How about instead of complaining about it we strive to be better and do everything for our kids to do better so that they can not be overlooked regardless of their connections or familial ties.
Trust me on this, nothing better than your kid being able to make a team he tries out on and not have to go searching for reasons why he didn't make it instead of looking in the mirror.
And lastly, lets us not pretend that this is the case or cases of superstar kids being passed up by benders. This is a case of bubble kids being passed up by other bubble kids due to their connections. Fact of the matter is the presidents kid and vice presidents kid probably don't belong there, but your kid doesn't either !
and while we reflect, ever think that maybe a team didn't want your kid and took someone else because that kids parents just sit back and don't complain and you are annoying ?
If the WYH is that poorly run, why does anyone stay? You do realize you don't have to play for your local organization? Find one that you think is run better, less political, easier to get to, whatever. When my kids did play town, they played three towns over and it was never an issue.
My kids Tier 1 Black team has beaten our Elite team in most of our scrimmages. It’s gotten to the point where they won’t pick their tournaments till after we do so they don’t end up having to play us. The Elite team is all the coaches kids and their buddies kids, with a few truly top end players who get dragged down by the rest. Asst coaches kid is the goalie and he makes sure he’s the only goalie on the top team. Problem is he isn’t the top goalie in his birth year in our organization.
That's a great question. Why would anyone play for WYH? In fact more kids have come back to WYH from club teams this year than in any year in the past 5. Why would they do that if it's so corrupt & unfair to non insiders kids?
Maybe this whole thread was created by one or two disgruntled parents who can't handle that their kid was placed where they belong. So rather than look for ways to improve their child's skills they immediately went on the attack anonymously on the dboard.
It's an important life lesson to learn. If you don't get your way, immediately kick & scream as loud as possible. You'll usually get your way and your child will be a better person for it...
We are town hockey as well and are seeing our numbers grow a bit as more kids seem to be coming back than are leaving. A fair amount of kids that make our B teams leave as the parents feel there kid should have made A. Then a bunch of them come back the next year. Club hockey is no joke. Your at the bottom of that roster than your playing time is effected much much more than in Town.
Enjoy the offseason - If you get one. lol
it seems in all town youth athletics, whether it be hockey, lacrosse, baseball, soccer etc., the board members are involved for the wrong reasons. I know in our city the OBN who runs baseball have had a stronghold on the program since I was a kid. Basically a board member has to die before they would ever consider appointing someone new or younger to the board.(I'm 52 now and I played for most of them many years ago when they coached).
They come back because they are close to High School no credit to the so called new and improved board.Watch closely when all the A players are cut from the High School team because the ride is over. What kind of lesson is that. Good luck explaining to your kid you have no pull at the High School level.