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What is really happening with USPHL/EHF

Funny reading the other posts. Clearly not a single detective or professional strategist on the board these days.

Anyone ever consider that RG has conceded to USA Hockey and submitted to the fact that NCDC is, and will only ever be Tier 3 Jr hockey status?

That is what is happening. Mergers don’t mean having to operate under same functional model. They can be different.

As much as I think it’s all overrated plenty of good will come out of this.

1) RG realizes he should’ve never broken away from USA hockey, they make amends, he realizes his junior league is simply tier 3. Has an identity moving forward and falls under the umbrella of USA hockey again and all is good. To massage his ego, they grant the NCDC Tier 3 “elite” status. (See the theme here?) It’s a path to better junior leagues vs tries to compete. NAHL and USHL expanding so he is in a real pinch for quality players.e expands his tier 2 youth team base, calls it a new league and make some money. Nothing changes at youth level except more colors!

2.). Independent EHF teams are scared and bolt. They need to be under the umbrella and can’t trust the founding members of EHF as the non-elite programs are 2nd class citizens, have no say and simply can’t afford to be at the mercy of the big Fed owners egos. They bolt and the e9 and or the PHL grows locally.

2.) EHF breaks away from USA Hockey. Big deal. USA hockey has 560,000 players registered. EHF accounts for less than 1%. Thats $200k out of $22M in fees. USA Hockey doesn’t care. EHF adds checking back to Pee Wee level. Other leagues potentially follow suit and force dialog with USA Hockey and maybe they smarten up and revert back to previous better rules.

Option 1 is likely happening from what I’m told. Option 2 maybe good however in the grande scheme of things USA Hockey wields little influence over the hockey world outside of Mass. Unlike us, the Midwest leagues, programs, coaches, parents and players are pro USA hockey so they aren’t going anywhere. Same for the AYHL.

When all said and done, no real impact. USPHL has more impact based on % of players and that split already happened so USA Hockey could care less.

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Hitting back in peewee would be great to see. Imagine how many more wait til the hittin starts posts we would get?

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EHF dead. All about $$$ now. Already talks of elite division splitting up and select clubs from E9, EHF and AYHL talking. Eagles are one of them, same with Terriers, MFF, BA and NH Avs, NJ Colonials just to name a few. Congrats, RG and Gilly successfully blew up their own worlds!

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Glad we have someone to tell us "what is really happening." Should we call you Deep Throat? Probably apropos.

Time will tell, but "from what I'm told" it's USA Hockey that wants NCDC / USPHL back, not the other way around. RG likes the revenue stream from the practically useless secondary insurance. USA Hockey sees it as a ***** in the armor, something oligopolists are prone to, that other leagues might choose to pursue.

We'll see.

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Thank you chief strategist for your insight. Let's play devil's advocate for a few moments.

Your opinion "split has already happened and USA Hockey doesn't care." USA Hockey cares more than you realize. They want to control everything, akin to the NCAA. If you have ever spoken to anyone at the national level, they desperately want to figure out a way to reel in New England Hockey that won't result in lawsuits. They view the current structure here as both bad for development and bad for their wallets.

They want to make nice with USA Hockey. Hah, they want to make money. There wasn't any mass exodus from the youth programs charging a few extra bucks to support the NCDC. The financial model makes sense if it brings in more players for U16 & U18 and keeps parents writing checks at the youth level in the belief the youth programs are a feeder to NCDC.

Time will certainly tell & maybe I'm just old and cynical but my guess, this is about money and ego's and is more likely a middle finger to USA hockey than anything else.

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You are spot on about the local area. It’s ripe for a change and I believe it’s coming. Too many teams,levels and watered down talent. A real super league has to make its way back to the area if kids want to develop.

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Anon
You are spot on about the local area. It’s ripe for a change and I believe it’s coming. Too many teams,levels and watered down talent. A real super league has to make its way back to the area if kids want to develop.
When the MBHL blew up it was because town hockey was dying and people saw ownership as a way to make money. Now the Mighty EHF and E9 are just the same town leagues again under different names and for way more money to play. You cant have 30 "elite" teams around NEW England. You never could. All you did was re arrange what would be called the town A kids inot split birth years and then onto different rosters and called it "Elite" and because there are too many leagues the top kids are spread out everywhere. Hopefully These owners see it as a 6-8 team division for truly the best players and develop it from there.

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You have many truly elite players that are spread out being forced to play with and against hockey wannabe and image seeking families.. seems like the path of most resistance now

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anon
Anon
You are spot on about the local area. It’s ripe for a change and I believe it’s coming. Too many teams,levels and watered down talent. A real super league has to make its way back to the area if kids want to develop.
When the MBHL blew up it was because town hockey was dying and people saw ownership as a way to make money. Now the Mighty EHF and E9 are just the same town leagues again under different names and for way more money to play. You cant have 30 "elite" teams around NEW England. You never could. All you did was re arrange what would be called the town A kids inot split birth years and then onto different rosters and called it "Elite" and because there are too many leagues the top kids are spread out everywhere. Hopefully These owners see it as a 6-8 team division for truly the best players and develop it from there.
That ship has sailed.

There's not enough money to be made if you openly admit there are only 6-8 teams of truly elite players. You have to sell the dream, which includes shiny gear, expensive tournaments and that every kid can be truly elite with the right training and guidance.

People are willing to pay so you might as well take their money.

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Anon
anon
Anon
You are spot on about the local area. It’s ripe for a change and I believe it’s coming. Too many teams,levels and watered down talent. A real super league has to make its way back to the area if kids want to develop.
When the MBHL blew up it was because town hockey was dying and people saw ownership as a way to make money. Now the Mighty EHF and E9 are just the same town leagues again under different names and for way more money to play. You cant have 30 \"elite\" teams around NEW England. You never could. All you did was re arrange what would be called the town A kids inot split birth years and then onto different rosters and called it \"Elite\" and because there are too many leagues the top kids are spread out everywhere. Hopefully These owners see it as a 6-8 team division for truly the best players and develop it from there.
That ship has sailed.

There's not enough money to be made if you openly admit there are only 6-8 teams of truly elite players. You have to sell the dream, which includes shiny gear, expensive tournaments and that every kid can be truly elite with the right training and guidance.

People are willing to pay so you might as well take their money.
People are still paying for Prep School even though there are probably only 6 - 8 really good teams in MA.

The Brick teams, Q teams, U14/U15 National Bound contenders aren't preventing parents from writing checks for teams that are less "elite."

We can set up 6 - 8 regional powerhouses that can fully compete with the Little Caesars and Thunderbirds without turning off the faucet. Parents can simply look to the travel and added expense and say they don't see that as necessary, their kid is still "elite."

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anon
Anon
anon
Anon
You are spot on about the local area. It’s ripe for a change and I believe it’s coming. Too many teams,levels and watered down talent. A real super league has to make its way back to the area if kids want to develop.
When the MBHL blew up it was because town hockey was dying and people saw ownership as a way to make money. Now the Mighty EHF and E9 are just the same town leagues again under different names and for way more money to play. You cant have 30 \\\"elite\\\" teams around NEW England. You never could. All you did was re arrange what would be called the town A kids inot split birth years and then onto different rosters and called it \\\"Elite\\\" and because there are too many leagues the top kids are spread out everywhere. Hopefully These owners see it as a 6-8 team division for truly the best players and develop it from there.
That ship has sailed.

There\'s not enough money to be made if you openly admit there are only 6-8 teams of truly elite players. You have to sell the dream, which includes shiny gear, expensive tournaments and that every kid can be truly elite with the right training and guidance.

People are willing to pay so you might as well take their money.
People are still paying for Prep School even though there are probably only 6 - 8 really good teams in MA.

The Brick teams, Q teams, U14/U15 National Bound contenders aren't preventing parents from writing checks for teams that are less "elite."

We can set up 6 - 8 regional powerhouses that can fully compete with the Little Caesars and Thunderbirds without turning off the faucet. Parents can simply look to the travel and added expense and say they don't see that as necessary, their kid is still "elite."
Nothing will change because there is too much money to be made. Parents will continue to drive far to load up teams and there will be 1 or 2 truly elite teams per birth year.

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Rumor at rinks this weekend we’re the founding member programs without junior teams not in favor of this and may not stic around...

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RG put in his place and scrambling. The empire is falling.

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3 orgs leaving. Kaboom!

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Anon
3 orgs leaving. Kaboom!
Which 3 and where are they going?

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Anon
Anon
3 orgs leaving. Kaboom!
Which 3 and where are they going?
BJE, MFR and CT Huskies

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A Non
Anon
Anon
3 orgs leaving. Kaboom!
Which 3 and where are they going?
BJE, MFR and CT Huskies
And where exactly do you have the Eagles, Rangers, and Huskies going? Seems like an odd bunch to bolt together.

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E9 and AYHL

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The current Elite EHF/E-9 split creates too many watered down teams. There should be an Elite north/south league with 6 teams from the Boston area and 6 from NY/NJ area (don't really care what you call it). Play within your respective division most weekends. One weekend per month you are either traveling or hosting a super series type weekend and only playing games against the other division. Everyone starts fresh with no player transfer rules in year 1. After that player transfer rules should be somewhat limiting but not as restrictive as it is now. This should be for Squirt ages and older.

The mite level should strictly be cross-ice in year 1 with no travel to the other division. Second year mite should still be mostly cross-ice with a few weekend tournaments to introduce them to full-ice. This is better for development. No one benefits from seeing the little benders skate end to end with little resistance.

God willing the owners from the top EHF/E-9/AYHL organizations will get together to figure this out.

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Anon
The current Elite EHF/E-9 split creates too many watered down teams. There should be an Elite north/south league with 6 teams from the Boston area and 6 from NY/NJ area (don't really care what you call it). Play within your respective division most weekends. One weekend per month you are either traveling or hosting a super series type weekend and only playing games against the other division. Everyone starts fresh with no player transfer rules in year 1. After that player transfer rules should be somewhat limiting but not as restrictive as it is now. This should be for Squirt ages and older.

The mite level should strictly be cross-ice in year 1 with no travel to the other division. Second year mite should still be mostly cross-ice with a few weekend tournaments to introduce them to full-ice. This is better for development. No one benefits from seeing the little benders skate end to end with little resistance.

God willing the owners from the top EHF/E-9/AYHL organizations will get together to figure this out.
It'll NEVER happen because it makes too much sense.

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Anon
Anon
The current Elite EHF/E-9 split creates too many watered down teams. There should be an Elite north/south league with 6 teams from the Boston area and 6 from NY/NJ area (don\'t really care what you call it). Play within your respective division most weekends. One weekend per month you are either traveling or hosting a super series type weekend and only playing games against the other division. Everyone starts fresh with no player transfer rules in year 1. After that player transfer rules should be somewhat limiting but not as restrictive as it is now. This should be for Squirt ages and older.

The mite level should strictly be cross-ice in year 1 with no travel to the other division. Second year mite should still be mostly cross-ice with a few weekend tournaments to introduce them to full-ice. This is better for development. No one benefits from seeing the little benders skate end to end with little resistance.

God willing the owners from the top EHF/E-9/AYHL organizations will get together to figure this out.
It'll NEVER happen because it makes too much sense.
Actually, my prediction is that is very close to what will happen. Fed honchos realize they are losing the battle nationally by playing half their games against crap teams. So, they are looking for those teams to drop out so they can assemble a better super-regional product that parents are willing to pay a premium price for to replace the lost revenue from the crap teams.

I'm sure they want the BJE to stay, both based on reputation and location. But, egos got bruised, so if they go to the E9AYHL as someone is spreading, the actual PLAYERS will leave and go to wherever the strongest hockey is.

There's a reason helmet decals peel off and shells were invented.

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anon
Anon
Anon
The current Elite EHF/E-9 split creates too many watered down teams. There should be an Elite north/south league with 6 teams from the Boston area and 6 from NY/NJ area (don\\\'t really care what you call it). Play within your respective division most weekends. One weekend per month you are either traveling or hosting a super series type weekend and only playing games against the other division. Everyone starts fresh with no player transfer rules in year 1. After that player transfer rules should be somewhat limiting but not as restrictive as it is now. This should be for Squirt ages and older.

The mite level should strictly be cross-ice in year 1 with no travel to the other division. Second year mite should still be mostly cross-ice with a few weekend tournaments to introduce them to full-ice. This is better for development. No one benefits from seeing the little benders skate end to end with little resistance.

God willing the owners from the top EHF/E-9/AYHL organizations will get together to figure this out.
It\'ll NEVER happen because it makes too much sense.
Actually, my prediction is that is very close to what will happen. Fed honchos realize they are losing the battle nationally by playing half their games against crap teams. So, they are looking for those teams to drop out so they can assemble a better super-regional product that parents are willing to pay a premium price for to replace the lost revenue from the crap teams.

I'm sure they want the BJE to stay, both based on reputation and location. But, egos got bruised, so if they go to the E9AYHL as someone is spreading, the actual PLAYERS will leave and go to wherever the strongest hockey is.

There's a reason helmet decals peel off and shells were invented.
Speculation or is this based on facts? And will BJE will be in the new super regional league or stay in the USPHL/EHF?

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E9 league applications....that seems like fact