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SSK - the new White?

What the heck happened to this organization? They own the white division in the EHF. Shame. They have one good elite team now, others in shambles and all other teams in second “white” division. NRT still collecting those checks! NCDC team not bad last year but all other FS teams were a joke.

RT still collecting those checks! Time to sell dude, you are quickly on your way to Bandit, Breakers and TG status!



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They haven't had good elite teams since the '02's left...

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04 SSK Elite is good, has solid, stable coaching, and will be even better this coming season with quality pick ups.

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Youth hockey is over at 04 buddy

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Woohoo. Thanks 04 Kings coach or Dad! One good team.

Says everything you need to know about EHF. 3 good orgs don’t make a good league

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From a parent perspective, the issue is not league or club, it's team and coach. In my view, the team your child plays on and the coaching they get are the most important factors in deciding where your child plays. There are numerous other factors: driving distance, friends on team, tournament schedule, hot moms, etc. League is a factor because it is large part of the competition the team will face. Club barely even registers as a consideration.

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Agreed. RT to cheap and lazy so enlists all crappy daddy coaches. JG only cares about NCDC team and has left all others go to heck. Literally no one running org. The lack of talent, development and records show it. 2 of the older USPHL teams don’t even have coaches and the youth teams splattered with the same daddies that keep losing or driving talent away.

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Anon
Agreed. RT to cheap and lazy so enlists all crappy daddy coaches. JG only cares about NCDC team and has left all others go to heck. Literally no one running org. The lack of talent, development and records show it. 2 of the older USPHL teams don’t even have coaches and the youth teams splattered with the same daddies that keep losing or driving talent away.
Sorry your kid isn't gaining any attention. John Gurskis and the other coaches have always been extremely friendly to me and good to my kid, helping him with advice whenever they have talked. Willing to bet the issue is't your kid...

Speaking of coaches, which USPHL teams don't have one? Looks like a full roster on the website, and teams usually don't continue to list a coach if he has left.

Being a USPHL coach is a pretty desirable gig. Way better than coaching youth hockey and putting up with entitled kids and parents. In Juniors, they roster 25 - 30 kids, and kids can't play for another team unless they are released. You mouth off to a coach, you don't play.

I'm sure if someone left they will fill the spot.

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Clearly John or Rich posting there. JG has nothing to do with youth program, doesn’t even talk to players. Wouldn’t know a kid who plays for them unless they had a helmet with the sticker on it or if a kid was carrying a bag.

Know your stuff buddy. Both u16 and u18 teams looking for coaches. Not an attractive gig for coaches who are not interested or able to recruit nationally at this age. Like other USPHL teams at these two levels it’s really for the local rejects versus other programs that bringing players from the outside. Premier coach been there forever based on family relationships and is a total clown.

Program just not the same without SH.

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Anon
Clearly John or Rich posting there. JG has nothing to do with youth program, doesn’t even talk to players. Wouldn’t know a kid who plays for them unless they had a helmet with the sticker on it or if a kid was carrying a bag.

Know your stuff buddy. Both u16 and u18 teams looking for coaches. Not an attractive gig for coaches who are not interested or able to recruit nationally at this age. Like other USPHL teams at these two levels it’s really for the local rejects versus other programs that bringing players from the outside. Premier coach been there forever based on family relationships and is a total clown.

Program just not the same without SH.

I'm confused. Are you talking about youth hockey or USPHL? Is it a good gig or is it a gig that most coaches can't qualify for because they can't recruit nationally ( which sounds to me like a pretty high level job)?

If I were John G I think I would know if I had openings on my staff. If Dave OD left it must be recent because I saw him a few weeks ago at the Spring Showcase.

My kid has known John and his staff since U14 tryouts a couple of years ago. They have always gone out of their way to say hello when we see them at the rink. But then again my general experience is if you are friendly and respectful to people they are friendly and respectful to you. Even more true the other way around.

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You are confused because you’re probably not that smart.

The program director’s job is to make sure he has the right coaches, right skills being taught, recruiting, and development. Is all that is being done in a program will win more than they lose. Not the case with the Kings anymore. Same old daddy coaches, same old buddy system, and a place nobody wants to play at anymore.

It is a shame. And no my kid didn’t get cut. He plays for a competing organization that pumbles them when they play each other, which isn’t good for the league.

Sorry your kid is not good enough to play for anyone but the Kings now.

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Anon
You are confused because you’re probably not that smart.

The program director’s job is to make sure he has the right coaches, right skills being taught, recruiting, and development. Is all that is being done in a program will win more than they lose. Not the case with the Kings anymore. Same old daddy coaches, same old buddy system, and a place nobody wants to play at anymore.

It is a shame. And no my kid didn’t get cut. He plays for a competing organization that pumbles them when they play each other, which isn’t good for the league.

Sorry your kid is not good enough to play for anyone but the Kings now.
You must be so lucky to have a superstar as a kid that plays on a great team. What a douche bag. I’m sure you go around telling everyone how great your kid is to anyone who will listen. Ass Clown

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Anon
You are confused because you’re probably not that smart.

The program director’s job is to make sure he has the right coaches, right skills being taught, recruiting, and development. Is all that is being done in a program will win more than they lose. Not the case with the Kings anymore. Same old daddy coaches, same old buddy system, and a place nobody wants to play at anymore.

It is a shame. And no my kid didn’t get cut. He plays for a competing organization that pumbles them when they play each other, which isn’t good for the league.

Sorry your kid is not good enough to play for anyone but the Kings now.
"Pumbles?" And you're saying I'm not that smart?

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Anony
From a parent perspective, the issue is not league or club, it's team and coach. In my view, the team your child plays on and the coaching they get are the most important factors in deciding where your child plays. There are numerous other factors: driving distance, friends on team, tournament schedule, hot moms, etc. League is a factor because it is large part of the competition the team will face. Club barely even registers as a consideration.
Stop! You are making too much sense. That may not resonate well here.

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Nice little town program you have there In Foxboro!

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Anon
Nice little town program you have there In Foxboro!
Dont kid yourself. They are all town programs. Do you people really think because you call your kid "lite" it actually means something. If these club programs didnt exist do you really think the Town "A" teams would look much different than what these club programs look like now. Sure there would be some minor changes and to be honest the teams would probably be better since you would not have EHF/E9 splitting up the kids.The teams would essentially be what the club teams are now. Its not like there is some new breed of NE hockey player out there. Same kids, scattered over more teams watering down the product instead of actually making it better. And the saddest part is i have to be part of it.

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Anon
Anon
Nice little town program you have there In Foxboro!
Dont kid yourself. They are all town programs. Do you people really think because you call your kid "lite" it actually means something. If these club programs didnt exist do you really think the Town "A" teams would look much different than what these club programs look like now. Sure there would be some minor changes and to be honest the teams would probably be better since you would not have EHF/E9 splitting up the kids.The teams would essentially be what the club teams are now. Its not like there is some new breed of NE hockey player out there. Same kids, scattered over more teams watering down the product instead of actually making it better. And the saddest part is i have to be part of it.
Spot on

There is nothing "elite" or "select" what any of our kids are doing. All we have done is pay $3,500 vs. $1,500 for one more practice per week, off-ice and more games.

The debates about leagues, organizations, etc. are SO boring and perpetuated by a minority of parents who have bought-in that their little bender is actually "elite" or "select". They are not smart enough to figure it out.

90% of the parents select an organization for one reason and one reason only: convenience. The uniformed chase dreams by driving an extra 25 minutes so little Johnny can be coached by an ex-NHL'er who has zero experience teaching kids the game.

Like anything in life, the top 2-3% in your organization/league are truly "select". But they are select not because Dad and Mom gave them the proper hand signals from the stands during games, they are select because they are self-motivated and have god-given physical gifts.

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Kings challenge is the same as all the other teams within 25 mins (Bandits/Terriers/Breakers/Caps). Only so much top notch talent in the area....kids are spread out. Some years Kings are fine (2008) others they aren't because Bandits or Terriers are better....parents aren't chasing the Kings brand name...they want their kids to be in a convenient location and with a good coach. Not that complicated.

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Kings don’t have a good brand name anymore

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Anon
Kings don’t have a good brand name anymore
Rep is still better than the Breakers, Bandits, Terriers, Caps (or whatever they are this week), Knights, Giants, Conquis or Seahawks.

Did I miss any?

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Anon
Anon
Kings don’t have a good brand name anymore
Rep is still better than the Breakers, Bandits, Terriers, Caps (or whatever they are this week), Knights, Giants, Conquis or Seahawks.

Did I miss any?
No it is not.

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Anon
Anon
Anon
Kings don’t have a good brand name anymore
Rep is still better than the Breakers, Bandits, Terriers, Caps (or whatever they are this week), Knights, Giants, Conquis or Seahawks.

Did I miss any?
No it is not.
It's a discussion Board. Of the listed teams, which do you feel is better, across multiple age groups - not just one or two birth years?

Not in that geography, but if I were I'd personally rather have my kid play for the Kings, and out of Foxboro, than any of those other programs.

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Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
Kings don’t have a good brand name anymore
Rep is still better than the Breakers, Bandits, Terriers, Caps (or whatever they are this week), Knights, Giants, Conquis or Seahawks.

Did I miss any?
No it is not.
It's a discussion Board. Of the listed teams, which do you feel is better, across multiple age groups - not just one or two birth years?

Not in that geography, but if I were I'd personally rather have my kid play for the Kings, and out of Foxboro, than any of those other programs.
Really only 3 worthy to choose from on that list. SSK, Breakers, & Terriers. Hit or miss depending on birth year and team level but all 3 orgs are far more desirable than the others.

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Perception: Brand is strong
Reality: SSK below many of the teams you reference particularly at Mite through Pee Wee level

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ANON
Perception: Brand is strong
Reality: SSK below many of the teams you reference particularly at Mite through Pee Wee level
You can only be a parent with a grudge. Anyone who has been playing in the EHF would know the org that has struggled the most is the Bandits. In the recent years they can't even put Elite teams in, let alone have teams make Black. Thank goodness they came up with the Silver division because that is where the majority, by far, of their teams fall, or have been in since the birth or silver. Yet, you seem to focus on the kings so you have an issue with the Kings...move on. It's summer, get some sun, you will feel better.

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Stop living in the past buddy. SSK is the new bandits. One real elite team, every other team gets killed. All second level teams in the white division. Not sure how you don’t see it that way.

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Anon
Stop living in the past buddy. SSK is the new bandits. One real elite team, every other team gets killed. All second level teams in the white division. Not sure how you don’t see it that way.
Dude, it's youth hockey. Who cares. Honestly, you are coming across kinda creepy now. Stop. Go kiss your wife and take your kids to something that doesn't involve a rink.

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ANON
Perception: Brand is strong
Reality: SSK below many of the teams you reference particularly at Mite through Pee Wee level
I don't have a horse in this race, but what are the Kings exactly less inferior to other orgs?!

Is it because their rainbow colored T1 teams are in the White division? Really?

Of the orgs listed above, what other org can claim 3 rinks and a world-class weight facility under one roof? The Giants, that's it. If I was a parent local to the Kings, my bender is playing there or the Giants.

You sound like someone who takes youth hockey way too seriously, IMO.

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I agree. Facilities matter and these are the 2 best around. Kings local comp are Express and Boch. Both non-starters. Corrupt owners and terrible hockey.

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Sad that rinks come before development... sad state of affairs for youth hockey.

Walpole and Boch ? they could have free open bar for every parent and free tuition. Still not an option.

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Foxboro nice but zero development taking place there. Used to be. Not anymore, which is why we left. Longer drive but better coaching. I do miss the warm upstairs though!

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Anon
Foxboro nice but zero development taking place there. Used to be. Not anymore, which is why we left. Longer drive but better coaching. I do miss the warm upstairs though!
And, where is that "development" happening?

A lot of dumping on this program and that program, but very few with anything positive to say about anyone.

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BA. Once mommy and daddy get over themselves and the mighty EHF, they go there. Look at older levels.

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Anon
BA. Once mommy and daddy get over themselves and the mighty EHF, they go there. Look at older levels.
BA is clearly the class of the South Shore (loosely defined). All posters above acknowledge that. It has its warts, believe me.

But who's the Best of the Rest.

I'm saying that even if they are currently down (I'm not disagreeing) the Kings have at least as much going on as anyone else when you look across all age groups, except BA. I take the facility into account, it has a lot of hockey stuff going on, I still feel they have more potential to improve than teams that have sucked for a decade. Which is pretty much everyone else.

Put it this way - which bag does your kid want to be carrying, walking into a Middle School locker room?

I also personally feel the Terriers, Bandits and Breakers are in an annual competition with each other to see who can cheat on their rosters more. No thanks.

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Objectivity on this board? Crazy talk.

Kings rebound with the right owner. Sadly, that goes for pretty much all other EHF organizations except mid Fairfield and Eagles.

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Anon
Anon
BA. Once mommy and daddy get over themselves and the mighty EHF, they go there. Look at older levels.
BA is clearly the class of the South Shore (loosely defined). All posters above acknowledge that. It has its warts, believe me.

But who's the Best of the Rest.

I'm saying that even if they are currently down (I'm not disagreeing) the Kings have at least as much going on as anyone else when you look across all age groups, except BA. I take the facility into account, it has a lot of hockey stuff going on, I still feel they have more potential to improve than teams that have sucked for a decade. Which is pretty much everyone else.

Put it this way - which bag does your kid want to be carrying, walking into a Middle School locker room?

I also personally feel the Terriers, Bandits and Breakers are in an annual competition with each other to see who can cheat on their rosters more. No thanks.
Thanks BA Daddy

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My kid plays for the kings. Great coaches and families. finish at 500 for the year last few years. Can't ask for more.

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Anon
My kid plays for the kings. Great coaches and families. finish at 500 for the year last few years. Can't ask for more.
That's why you have to ignore generalized comments about any programs. Over the years I have noticed every program in the EHF and E9 going though their highs and lows. So when BA guy gets on here saying every South program, with the exception of BA, is failing, you know he has no clue. I know plenty of kids who skated at BA who left to find what they thought were better programs. If your kid is happy, if you are not losing every game, if your kid is getting adequate play time (if you are objective about little Johnny), you are fine where you are. And it's easy to spot THOSE parents. IE: if your kid has skated in 3-4 programs by the time they are squirts/pee wee, you are one of those parents and you will never be happy with what your kid is getting at that program because you will junior is better and deserves more. Objectivity is the key!

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I think the original point of the post is that the Kingdom as some refer to it has fallen with the elite teams being bottom of the barrel and no real talent pushing up from below as all the 2nd level teams being in the white division. So, when a program trends in the wrong direction, it’s clear development is taking place.

You are correct though. Play where you are happy and more importantly where the kid is having fun. Every organization has the “in crowd“ because of parent relationships. We all partake in that to solidify spots. Unfortunately it’s how it works around here now.

Just don’t confuse convenience, fun and development. The real metric for development, especially with the watering down of youth hockey today is wins and progression to higher level teams per player. Foxboro a good facility, just not a place where player development is taking place. With the segmentation of the EHF (top 4 good, rest bad so easy to win or lose) programs who do their job dominate. With SSK, their elite teams not what they were, lots of turnover and losses. All else White. Tough to argue they provide real hockey value.

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Anon
I think the original point of the post is that the Kingdom as some refer to it has fallen with the elite teams being bottom of the barrel and no real talent pushing up from below as all the 2nd level teams being in the white division. So, when a program trends in the wrong direction, it’s clear development is taking place.

You are correct though. Play where you are happy and more importantly where the kid is having fun. Every organization has the “in crowd“ because of parent relationships. We all partake in that to solidify spots. Unfortunately it’s how it works around here now.

Just don’t confuse convenience, fun and development. The real metric for development, especially with the watering down of youth hockey today is wins and progression to higher level teams per player. Foxboro a good facility, just not a place where player development is taking place. With the segmentation of the EHF (top 4 good, rest bad so easy to win or lose) programs who do their job dominate. With SSK, their elite teams not what they were, lots of turnover and losses. All else White. Tough to argue they provide real hockey value.
Close, but knowing a fair amount about other programs, previous poster has a point. Most offer the same skills, practices etc. Some skills may be better than others, some coaches may be better than others but that can vary within an organization. And they all definitely have their ups and down trends.

More to your point about hockey being watered down.. that is correct, which is why all it takes is a couple of players leaving one team and moving to another to make a team shift from one end of the spectrum to another. And that is not developing, that is recruiting!

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Anon
Foxboro nice but zero development taking place there. Used to be. Not anymore, which is why we left. Longer drive but better coaching. I do miss the warm upstairs though!
Looks like they are trying to address skills. What took so long?

http://southshorekings.com/news.php?news_id=1677750

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That was funny

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Two kinds of posters on this subject...

(1) A Magenta "tier 1" youth hockey parent whose son was obviously cut by the Kings.

(2) A couple of parents whose sons are chasing a dream in low-end juniors. They are arguing about who is the tallest midget in the room. They also clearly can't read that this is a youth hockey forum.


I am heading back to the beach.

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Enjoy the beach on this cloudy rainy day!

Put this to bed folks. Kings stink, bottom line, youth to Midget to Juniors. 2 good teams. Now his kids are done, time for RT to cash his chips in and sell to someone who cares.

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Anon
Two kinds of posters on this subject...

(1) A Magenta \"tier 1\" youth hockey parent whose son was obviously cut by the Kings.

(2) A couple of parents whose sons are chasing a dream in low-end juniors. They are arguing about who is the tallest midget in the room. They also clearly can\'t read that this is a youth hockey forum.


I am heading back to the beach.
People do have more than one kid, loser. And in the USPHL, "Juniors" begins at U15.

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Anon
What the heck happened to this organization? They own the white division in the EHF. Shame. They have one good elite team now, others in shambles and all other teams in second “white” division. NRT still collecting those checks! NCDC team not bad last year but all other FS teams were a joke.

RT still collecting those checks! Time to sell dude, you are quickly on your way to Bandit, Breakers and TG status!



OK Alex, I'll play for 500:

Who takes the time to go through all of the ages to see what division a team is on and your kid doesn't play there?

The answer is someone with a grudge (sorry your kid got cut), or second answer: A loser with no life