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i agree to some extent. it definitely brings up an important issue when it comes to the hitting. its easy to say "if they play with us, they should be able to get hit like us" but its another thing when the event actually happens. most boys dont wanna be the one that lays out a girl.
where i disagree is, i dont see how it hurts the girls development. boys hockey, in the general sense, is much faster, passes are quicker, shots are harder, and the contact brings about an element of faster thinking. so i dont see how that can hurt the girl's development. im also unsure of why you think it affects locker room leadership, i would like to here more from you on that particular point. im interested as to why you think that way.
lastly, yes there are a lot of girls programs out there, but not all provide the level of competition a boys program does. or maybe its a travel/cost issue, i dont know. but im guessing if she made the team, she was just as good or better than others that tried out.
dont get me wrong, i see where you are going with your post, but there are instances where a talented girl cant find competition where she lives but wants to continue to play at a high level so playing with a boys program is her only choice. if she is good enough to make the team then why cant she play?
maybe you should have had your son focus on learning how to skate rather than hitting people. just a thought
if she's playing with the boys ( it will most likely be a low level bantam team) your allowed to hit her sorry but your little bender will most likely be trying to catch her as she's skating circles around your guy.
Sorry your son got cut for a girl
Hockey's a contact sport combined with fast skating skills.. It's not just skating That's for girls hockey
Most boys shouldn’t be playing bantam hockey…
I don't know about players but we had a girl goalie that was lights out. Glad she was on our team. I have also seen a few girl goalies that played boys AAA in the Midwest at bantam.
Thanks Mr 1950. I'm sure those kids are well adjusted while MA stays home and cooks yiur supper. Flipper head
Seems like both of your players are not that great at the sport. Sorry your son was cut and a girl made it over him. Sorry your daughter is not good enough to play on a boys team. Hopefully they’re multi sport athletes! Onward and upward!
Sorry your son is the same skill level as a girl. There are girls who belong in Fed Elite & E9. Tell your kid to get off the Xbox and shoot some pucks so he can catch my daughter.
You've probably said, "She's pretty good for a girl..." SMDH
You aren't making an argument, just spouting your opinion. Thankfully there are plenty of options that don't include you, your program and your opinion.
My daughters benefited greatly from playing both years of Bantam hockey. YMMV
These are a good articles/posts, consider them:
Jocelyn Lamoureux's masters thesis on the subject (you may have heard of her):
Money quote: "In this study, it was found that participants felt boys, in general, competed harder than girls on
all girls’ teams when asked why they would recommend girls play with boys and what they found different from playing on a boys’ team compared to playing on a girls’ team. If boys competed harder and boys’ were better than girls, they would therefore spend more time at a vigorous activity level competing and trying to keep up. By playing in an environment that pushed competitiveness and ability, participants felt it helped them develop their skills and reach their full potential."
To be fair, this study only surveyed Female Olympic Hockey Players.
Nothing to gain, everything to lose: you want to risk a brain injury so you can brag that your daughter “plays with the boys”? Lol
Your daughter will not be seen playing boys hockey. No coach is going to waste her time going to a boys game to watch your girl “keep up”. She will go to a. Tier 1 girls game where she can look at 30 plus prospects. If your girl is “that good” would she be better off as a top line player on a tier 1 girls team or someone that “keeps up” with the boys?
Locker room dynamics are a different issue. If you’re okay with your 14 year old daughter being in a boys locker room, you’re a ******* idiot.
All the Harris that think they know better don’t know a thing about girls hockey.
Sounds like you've found a program that aligns with your way of thinking, if you can call it that. So what's the problem?
Girls don't get concussions because they play with the boys. They get concussions because they more susceptible (for a variety of nuanced reasons).
Women's ice hockey has the 3rd most most concussions per games played of any sport, behind men's Rugby, and men's American football.
Concussions by Game Play
Men’s rugby match play (3.00/1,000 AE)
Men’s American football (2.5/1,000 AE)
Women’s ice hockey (2.27/1,000 AE)
Men’s Ice hockey (1.63/1,000 AE)
Women’s soccer (1.48/1,000 AE)
Men’s football (or soccer) (1.07/1,000 AE)
"This is especially interesting in sports like hockey. Women’s hockey is non-contact, but has a higher rate of concussion compared to men’s hockey – which is full body contact."
Teach your players(male or female) how to make body contact correctly - there is an art to taking a hit, teach them that and reduce the concussions.
If I had a girl good enough to play Bantam I would be concerned about some looney teen causing injury and maybe stifling a promising girl's hockey career.
Interesting article from a good source:
Girls Playing Boy's Hockey: No Easy Answers
By ANGELA RUGGIERO
General Hockey - Ice Sports
One of the questions I often get as I travel the country is "When, if ever, should girls play boy's hockey?" Usually, my answer is to make the switch if it is the right decision for the athlete.
Playing with boys: pros and cons
Although no two situations are exactly alike, my personal opinion is that if your daughter's goals are to play in the Olympics or to get a scholarship from an NCAA Division One school some day, playing boy's hockey for as long as she can is to her advantage, because boy's hockey is much more competitive. Boy's hockey is more competitive than girl's hockey just by virtue of the fact that boys tend to be naturally more competitive than girls (especially when they are competing against a girl!). Thus, girls who choose to play boy's hockey are going to be pushed more on a day-to-day basis, and that is naturally going to make them stronger hockey players.
I played boy's hockey from age 7 until I switched at the age of 14 to girl's hockey. But I made the switch primarily for academic reasons. When I was growing up in California, I didn't have the option of playing girl's hockey. There were no high school teams, period. When I found out that I could attend a prep school on the east coast and play girl's hockey, I made the switch so that I could get a great education, not to play girl's hockey. I probably could have continued to play boy's hockey through high school and then made the switch to women's hockey in college.
A key point for parents to understand, however, is that if at any time your daughter starts to become intimidated by the size and strength of the boys around her, it is time to switch to playing with girls. Around the age of puberty is when I tend to notice more girls making the switch to girl's hockey because it is at that point that boys start to become much more physical and stronger than girls; because body checking is allowed for boys, that size and strength advantage can intimidate a girl. If your girl is not intimidated, I would encourage her to keep playing with boys as long as she still enjoys it.
The one drawback to continuing to play boy's hockey in high school is that it makes it harder for her to be seen by college coaches and recruiters because coaches tend to flock to the girl's tournaments. Thus, you may have to be a lot more proactive during her junior and senior years in high school to make sure that she is on their radar screen. This means notifying schools when your child is playing in the area of the schools she is interested in, or sending a highlight video to the schools she wants to attend.
Playing with girls: pros and cons
There is also a case to be made for playing girl's hockey. There is naturally more camaraderie within a girl's team. If your daughter's goals are to have fun, stay in shape, develop her skills in the women's game, where checking is not allowed, and potentially get more ice time, then girl's hockey may be best for her. Take the example of the girl who plays 4th line on a boy's team. She may get to practice with the highly competitive boys every day of the week, but come game time, may only get a few minutes of ice time. That same girl, on a girls team, may get lots of ice time on the first line, power play, and penalty kill, giving her a better chance to develop her individual skills under game conditions than she would playing limited minutes on a boy's team. Remember: puck touches and ice time always equal a better hockey player.
If your daughter is a naturally gifted athlete, make sure she is also a highly motivated player. If she plays girl's hockey, she may need to push herself if the girls around her are not pushing her in practice. You always want to make sure her potential is being reached. Personally, I love playing with the girls. You can act more like yourself on the team and there is nothing like the dancing, singing, and cheering that you experience on a girl's team.
A personal decision
All in all, the decision has to be a personal one. As long as your daughter is developing as a player and enjoying herself, there is no right or wrong answer. Think of her goals and then tailor the decision to meet those goals.
Not a good source. Grew up durning a time, and in a place with no competitive girls hockey. If your only option for good competition is to play with boys, play with boys. With the growth of the girls sport, there are competitive teams in most markets. The game is far different on the girls side than it was even 10 years ago. Zero advantage to play boys at this point. Families who know don’t have their girls skating with the Neanderthals. (Boy and girl dad here, and honest enough to acknowledge that girls and boys are different, sorry libtards)
I help out on one of the u14 club teams We have an Amazon girl on our team. She's slow/lethargic she can't handle the puck or really shoot. But she intimidates some of the players with her size in her long hair..
Her parents think she's God's gift to hockey.. unfortunately she's already peaked. It's sad because its a waste of space as far as I'm concerned. She's not even close to elite other parents think it's politically correct to say she's good because if they criticized her and spoke the truth her parents would have a field day .. we have to be PC and pretend we like it. Next thing you know she's going to be playing on the Nauset boys team the way the world is headed
I know her!
This thread started out bad and amazingly has only gotten worse
Your son may play college hockey, but intermural and club hockey don't count.
There should be checking and no-checking leagues. It’s a pretty simple solution except then more boys would play the non-checking league and that would likely mean less spots for girls, who will want their own league again.
But at least having checking/non-checking would be more competitive and genderless which is what we all want right?
I personally have a son who just hadn’t grown yet. His skills are very high and he’s benefit from a more competitive league than playing on his town or bottom of the BHL team. It’s a shame having to go from top 2-3 in points on an EHF and E9 team to not playing “competitive” hockey because he simply hasn’t grown.
A non-checking league with better talent might be a great solution for players of any gender who want to develop and maintain skills.
What I find very ironic though is that the girls hockey world would absolutely never allow a boy to play on their teams. When it’s the other way, all hell breaks loose. Beside that, I don’t know many boys who wouldn’t bully another boy who plays for a girls team.
Again, the solution is really “hockey is for everyone”. Take out the gender. Checking or no-checking, and anyone can play whichever they want.