we had the 2 right off the bat when we talked, then a couple more an hour or two later. saterday there were alot, maybe 20 with one just around 3 pounds, maybe 19 inches but grossly fat. new pup arrives in about 7 weeks, male french brit tricolor. couldnt find one around here, flying the dog in from south dakota. the litter was last week for the pups. should be smaller than abe but they have some really good bird dogs out there, cant wait. if you have any washington lures, all copper deep and nickel copper above that is working really well and the rainbow colored winniwonder spoon. all similar to a top gun and speeds 2.4 to 2.8