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Re: Whalers U18s Nat

Anon
Oh really? Check and see what 75% of the Natty kids are playing this year.
5 years ago, yup, but not anymore!


The U15 Nationals last year were not good FYI. They just added it last year so maybe it will be better but its still a wasteland with most players playing up at u16. Its just another way to make more $$.

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High school hockey is a wasteland. Most of the U15 teams will be from the tier1 league. Btw if most great 02 players play u16 then where are all the 16 year olds playing??? Just saying hahahahaha

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Was a great game to watch. Glad my boys got to watch the third period. They got to see two contrasting styles that were equally successful. CC's skill (I don't think Bruins touched the puck when CC on PP) against Bruin grit and compete (I think Bruins had edge in third while I watched). Good for them to see first hand the two styles. The men in stripes were out of position all third period most notably on the goal they waved off. Bruin kid forced TO behind net as CC tried to break out, refs moved up ice, but puck didn't. Bruin kid settled puck quickly then "flicked" it over the top of the net onto the back of goalie and into net. No one knew what happened except Bruin kid, goalie and D man that dug it out and buried it under goalie and of course the spectators that were looking down into the net. Refs being at center ice they couldn't make call. Too bad would have been an epic over time but fun to watch. Oh btw more skilled team won though it could have gone either way. And both goalies played well.

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goalie dad
Was a great game to watch. Glad my boys got to watch the third period. They got to see two contrasting styles that were equally successful. CC's skill (I don't think Bruins touched the puck when CC on PP) against Bruin grit and compete (I think Bruins had edge in third while I watched). Good for them to see first hand the two styles. The men in stripes were out of position all third period most notably on the goal they waved off. Bruin kid forced TO behind net as CC tried to break out, refs moved up ice, but puck didn't. Bruin kid settled puck quickly then "flicked" it over the top of the net onto the back of goalie and into net. No one knew what happened except Bruin kid, goalie and D man that dug it out and buried it under goalie and of course the spectators that were looking down into the net. Refs being at center ice they couldn't make call. Too bad would have been an epic over time but fun to watch. Oh btw more skilled team won though it could have gone either way. And both goalies played well.
If that is truly what happened (and I'm not disputing your account) that is absolutely criminal. This is not some random youth recreational hockey game like you read about on the Kiddy Boards, this is a State Championship. You'd like to think that, somehow, it could get replayed.

Re: Whalers U18s Nat

Just about every game at the U18 level could have gone either way. 3 games in round robin went to OT and a shootout. The most 1-sided game I saw was Whalers vs. NVRR, where the eventual tournament winner (Whalers) LOST 8-4.

The difference in the tournament was the Whalers had the best 2 players; one drafted in NHL last year, the other will be drafted this year. Other than that, the teams were even.

The #8 seed (Boch) was pretty close to the #1 seed (Whalers), and gave them all that they could handle.

4 seed (Rifles) vs. 5 seed (NVRR) went to OT and shootout, took 7 shooters to decide game (Rifles won). Similar for 3 seed (Eagles) vs. 6 seed (Mass Bruins).

Late games on Saturday determined teams that made semi finals, and all games were close.

Rifles vs. Whalers on Saturday at 10pm was as close a game you will see at U18 level, another OT with a shootout. A shootout with the skilled forwards on the Whalers is just too much to ask.

Reffing was a challenge all weekend; level of play and speed was very high, some refs had a hard time keeping up, especially in games later in the day. The 9pm-10pm starting times were a killer. Not their fault, just comes with territory.

In the end, the team with the best players will represent MA in Nationals.

Re: Whalers U18s Nat

Anon
Just about every game at the U18 level could have gone either way. 3 games in round robin went to OT and a shootout. The most 1-sided game I saw was Whalers vs. NVRR, where the eventual tournament winner (Whalers) LOST 8-4.

The difference in the tournament was the Whalers had the best 2 players; one drafted in NHL last year, the other will be drafted this year. Other than that, the teams were even.

The #8 seed (Boch) was pretty close to the #1 seed (Whalers), and gave them all that they could handle.

4 seed (Rifles) vs. 5 seed (NVRR) went to OT and shootout, took 7 shooters to decide game (Rifles won). Similar for 3 seed (Eagles) vs. 6 seed (Mass Bruins).

Late games on Saturday determined teams that made semi finals, and all games were close.

Rifles vs. Whalers on Saturday at 10pm was as close a game you will see at U18 level, another OT with a shootout. A shootout with the skilled forwards on the Whalers is just too much to ask.

Reffing was a challenge all weekend; level of play and speed was very high, some refs had a hard time keeping up, especially in games later in the day. The 9pm-10pm starting times were a killer. Not their fault, just comes with territory.

In the end, the team with the best players will represent MA in Nationals.
This post raises a good point that probably wasn't intentional. Guy has no agenda, he's just saying it as he sees it.

At the top 18/19 year old level, the parity between teams is very close. The difference in ability between players is very thin. Drafted players probably look a half a notch better, but beyond that, it's hard to differentiate.

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At that age it's hard to differentiate at most levels. It explains why the red carpet is rolled-out for legacy kids...when in doubt, take the kid who is going into the family business because you know he will be committed...and dad's connections don't hurt!

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It's hard if your a parent and only watch your kids games and take one close game as a sign of parity between players. For those that watch for a living it's not as close as you think.

Re: Whalers U18s Nat

anon
It's hard if your a parent and only watch your kids games and take one close game as a sign of parity between players. For those that watch for a living it's not as close as you think.
Oh. OK. Guess it's all those discerning eyes that "watch for a living" that lead to such a high hit rate on draft picks, 1st Round or otherwise? In any sport?

BTW, it's not much of a "living."

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Yeah your right. Your kid is right there. It's just no one can see it but you.

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Well as far as the U18 states go, the team with the most "commits" didn't win a single game. Committing to a D1 college indicates a players ability compared to his peers correct? And as a previous poster stated the team with the best players wins. Then that team should have won the whole thing as they had the most committed "best players" but they couldn't muster a win. I guess those experts who do it for a "living" must either be really bad at what they do or using some other criteria for judging players. Other than the team that won it all that had 3 to 4 elite players, that anyone could see were the best, I don't believe the other three semi finalists had 3 or 4 commits combined.

Re: Whalers U18s Nat

anon
Well as far as the U18 states go, the team with the most "commits" didn't win a single game. Committing to a D1 college indicates a players ability compared to his peers correct? And as a previous poster stated the team with the best players wins. Then that team should have won the whole thing as they had the most committed "best players" but they couldn't muster a win. I guess those experts who do it for a "living" must either be really bad at what they do or using some other criteria for judging players. Other than the team that won it all that had 3 to 4 elite players, that anyone could see were the best, I don't believe the other three semi finalists had 3 or 4 commits combined.
Exactly. These "scouts" go for names they know or the early maturers that appear on other lists. That minimizes their risk and allows them to continue to collect their "extravagant" weekly checks.

The NHL would love to see the draft age moved to 19, because they know it's a total crapshoot at 18 - let alone 14 or 15 when the schools are forced to "commit" to a player for fear of losing him to Bemidji State

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The team that had the most commits were all 2000's. The other teams were majority '99s. Made a difference in a couple of the games. Don't feel bad for the 2000's, though, as many of them will be playing high-end D1 hockey in a few years.

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Not to be a contrarian but the Lil Bruins were mostly 01s and 00s. 8 of the 12 skating in the final were 01 or 00. just saying

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All 8 teams had top end 2000s. At u18, the extra year means less than it does when they are younger. At u16 you can see the older kids stand out, but not as much, if at all, at u18.

The Eagles did fine, as did other teams where 2000s were prominent players.

River Rats' best forward was a 2000, who scored 4 goals against Whalers. Senators had several 2000s who could arguably be their best players. Same with Rifles, who were missing their best 1999 forward due to injury.

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Eagles did great.. didn't win a game. I guess thats the point of previous comments. The best kids, those with commits, should win games espentially against peers.

Re: Whalers U18s Nat

anon
Eagles did great.. didn't win a game. I guess thats the point of previous comments. The best kids, those with commits, should win games espentially against peers.
Eagles kids have played together since they were 5. You would think they could put the puck in the net by now. They skate in circles beautifully but can only ever score against bad teams. Don't think any of their players would actually do anything if they were put on a line with new kids. Look at their performances in National Camps as evidence of that. They've gone to such extremes to keep skating together that most of them play for St. Sebs, another team that can't score against good competition! All of their commits more goes to show the power of packaging and connected coaches in youth hockey than the kids' actual skill levels.

Re: Whalers U18s Nat

Anon
anon
Eagles did great.. didn\'t win a game. I guess thats the point of previous comments. The best kids, those with commits, should win games espentially against peers.
Eagles kids have played together since they were 5. You would think they could put the puck in the net by now. They skate in circles beautifully but can only ever score against bad teams. Don't think any of their players would actually do anything if they were put on a line with new kids. Look at their performances in National Camps as evidence of that. They've gone to such extremes to keep skating together that most of them play for St. Sebs, another team that can't score against good competition! All of their commits more goes to show the power of packaging and connected coaches in youth hockey than the kids' actual skill levels.
Thanksgiving morning, and you are spewing out this venom. Do society a favor and find a cave to live in. We'd all be thankful for that.

Re: Whalers U18s Nat

Anon
anon
Eagles did great.. didn\\\'t win a game. I guess thats the point of previous comments. The best kids, those with commits, should win games espentially against peers.
Eagles kids have played together since they were 5. You would think they could put the puck in the net by now. They skate in circles beautifully but can only ever score against bad teams. Don\'t think any of their players would actually do anything if they were put on a line with new kids. Look at their performances in National Camps as evidence of that. They\'ve gone to such extremes to keep skating together that most of them play for St. Sebs, another team that can\'t score against good competition! All of their commits more goes to show the power of packaging and connected coaches in youth hockey than the kids\' actual skill levels.
Dude, really? Obviously you have an agenda. Why don't you just change the name of this thread to "Let's s@*t All Over the Eagles" and be done with it. Sorry your kid got cut.