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Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
PG
The only player worth anything in that league is John DeRoche. If he were playing in the USHL or NAHL this year, he\'d have a commitment in hand. Word around the rinks is that the only question mark on his game is the cupcake teams he\'s playing. No idea why he\'d go to that league after playing real junior hockey.
A season in the remedial NCDC would ding any player's prospect status as it no doubt did to DeRoche. Its a no brainer that DeRoche would have committed earlier had he been in another league. But give the kid credit. He did what virtually no one else has been able to do - get a D1 commitment playing NCDC. Unbelievable!

Try to keep up. He DID commit earlier, at 15 in fact, to Quinnipiac. But, like so many 15 year old commits to come, after being told to go back to the USHL for a second season, which didn't exactly work out, he "decommitted." Whose choice it was isn't immediately clear. But, at 5'7" I can hazard a guess.

Glad he hooked up with UVM.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Anon
anon
PG
The only player worth anything in that league is John DeRoche. If he were playing in the USHL or NAHL this year, he\\\'d have a commitment in hand. Word around the rinks is that the only question mark on his game is the cupcake teams he\\\'s playing. No idea why he\\\'d go to that league after playing real junior hockey.
A season in the remedial NCDC would ding any player\'s prospect status as it no doubt did to DeRoche. Its a no brainer that DeRoche would have committed earlier had he been in another league. But give the kid credit. He did what virtually no one else has been able to do - get a D1 commitment playing NCDC. Unbelievable!

Try to keep up. He DID commit earlier, at 15 in fact, to Quinnipiac. But, like so many 15 year old commits to come, after being told to go back to the USHL for a second season, which didn't exactly work out, he "decommitted." Whose choice it was isn't immediately clear. But, at 5'7" I can hazard a guess.

Glad he hooked up with UVM.
Dude. That's ancient history and devoid of relevance.

The storyline you got lost on is that had DeRoche played USHL, BCHL, NAHL, CCHL, AJHL, anywhere but NCDC, he would have committed right out of the gate THIS season (August-September), not at the end of November as he just did. NCDC is never never land Tier III hockey - not a real JR hockey league. No one follows it. They may get ten friends and family to come to the rink to watch a game. The fact that DeRoche was able to commit is nothing short of a miracle.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
Anon
anon
PG
The only player worth anything in that league is John DeRoche. If he were playing in the USHL or NAHL this year, he\\\\\\\'d have a commitment in hand. Word around the rinks is that the only question mark on his game is the cupcake teams he\\\\\\\'s playing. No idea why he\\\\\\\'d go to that league after playing real junior hockey.
A season in the remedial NCDC would ding any player\\\'s prospect status as it no doubt did to DeRoche. Its a no brainer that DeRoche would have committed earlier had he been in another league. But give the kid credit. He did what virtually no one else has been able to do - get a D1 commitment playing NCDC. Unbelievable!

Try to keep up. He DID commit earlier, at 15 in fact, to Quinnipiac. But, like so many 15 year old commits to come, after being told to go back to the USHL for a second season, which didn\'t exactly work out, he \"decommitted.\" Whose choice it was isn\'t immediately clear. But, at 5\'7\" I can hazard a guess.

Glad he hooked up with UVM.
Dude. That's ancient history and devoid of relevance.

The storyline you got lost on is that had DeRoche played USHL, BCHL, NAHL, CCHL, AJHL, anywhere but NCDC, he would have committed right out of the gate THIS season (August-September), not at the end of November as he just did. NCDC is never never land Tier III hockey - not a real JR hockey league. No one follows it. They may get ten friends and family to come to the rink to watch a game. The fact that DeRoche was able to commit is nothing short of a miracle.
And, other than your personal opinion, your conclusion is based on.....what, exactly?

It's as random as a guy and a girl getting together to eat a bunch of caramels.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Anon
anon
Anon
anon
PG
The only player worth anything in that league is John DeRoche. If he were playing in the USHL or NAHL this year, he\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'d have a commitment in hand. Word around the rinks is that the only question mark on his game is the cupcake teams he\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s playing. No idea why he\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'d go to that league after playing real junior hockey.
A season in the remedial NCDC would ding any player\\\\\\\'s prospect status as it no doubt did to DeRoche. Its a no brainer that DeRoche would have committed earlier had he been in another league. But give the kid credit. He did what virtually no one else has been able to do - get a D1 commitment playing NCDC. Unbelievable!

Try to keep up. He DID commit earlier, at 15 in fact, to Quinnipiac. But, like so many 15 year old commits to come, after being told to go back to the USHL for a second season, which didn\\\'t exactly work out, he \\\"decommitted.\\\" Whose choice it was isn\\\'t immediately clear. But, at 5\\\'7\\\" I can hazard a guess.

Glad he hooked up with UVM.
Dude. That\'s ancient history and devoid of relevance.

The storyline you got lost on is that had DeRoche played USHL, BCHL, NAHL, CCHL, AJHL, anywhere but NCDC, he would have committed right out of the gate THIS season (August-September), not at the end of November as he just did. NCDC is never never land Tier III hockey - not a real JR hockey league. No one follows it. They may get ten friends and family to come to the rink to watch a game. The fact that DeRoche was able to commit is nothing short of a miracle.
And, other than your personal opinion, your conclusion is based on.....what, exactly?

It's as random as a guy and a girl getting together to eat a bunch of caramels.
The empty rinks? Just go to HockeyTV and watch a NCDC game. Can you count ten fans?

The commits. Look at the USHL, BCHL, NAHL, CCHL, AJHL, commits listed on CollegeHockeyInc.

How NCDC stacks up against other leagues, talk to any college hockey coach, or, alternatively, look at the lack of NCDC commits on CollegeHockeyInc.






Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
Anon
anon
PG
The only player worth anything in that league is John DeRoche. If he were playing in the USHL or NAHL this year, he\\\\\\\'d have a commitment in hand. Word around the rinks is that the only question mark on his game is the cupcake teams he\\\\\\\'s playing. No idea why he\\\\\\\'d go to that league after playing real junior hockey.
A season in the remedial NCDC would ding any player\\\'s prospect status as it no doubt did to DeRoche. Its a no brainer that DeRoche would have committed earlier had he been in another league. But give the kid credit. He did what virtually no one else has been able to do - get a D1 commitment playing NCDC. Unbelievable!

Try to keep up. He DID commit earlier, at 15 in fact, to Quinnipiac. But, like so many 15 year old commits to come, after being told to go back to the USHL for a second season, which didn\'t exactly work out, he \"decommitted.\" Whose choice it was isn\'t immediately clear. But, at 5\'7\" I can hazard a guess.

Glad he hooked up with UVM.
Dude. That's ancient history and devoid of relevance.

The storyline you got lost on is that had DeRoche played USHL, BCHL, NAHL, CCHL, AJHL, anywhere but NCDC, he would have committed right out of the gate THIS season (August-September), not at the end of November as he just did. NCDC is never never land Tier III hockey - not a real JR hockey league. No one follows it. They may get ten friends and family to come to the rink to watch a game. The fact that DeRoche was able to commit is nothing short of a miracle.
It is clear that NCDC is below the other leagues (as far as commitments go ) mentioned but it seems to be better then the Tier 3 leagues. Where it goes from here is anybody's guess. Time Will Tell.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

DeRoche's height had nothing to do with Quinnipiac dropping him. It was his attitude. He burned so many bridges in his 19 years that Quinnipiac wanted nothing to do with him. At the end of last season, he was number 10 on his NAHL team in scoring despite only playing 20 or so games with them and probably was their leading scorer in all the games after he arrived, but the coach sent him down to the NA3 and he later refused to report. If he weren't such locker room cancer, he'd be a Bobcat by now.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Anon
DeRoche's height had nothing to do with Quinnipiac dropping him. It was his attitude. He burned so many bridges in his 19 years that Quinnipiac wanted nothing to do with him. At the end of last season, he was number 10 on his NAHL team in scoring despite only playing 20 or so games with them and probably was their leading scorer in all the games after he arrived, but the coach sent him down to the NA3 and he later refused to report. If he weren't such locker room cancer, he'd be a Bobcat by now.
Too bad for Quinnipiac, thats gonna cost them. Bad attitude + NCDC. The kid must be a friggin superstar.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

If your kid is not in the league, why do you care? League has been ok for my kid. Ups and downs like any other league. And he has received an offer just not sure he's taking it.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
If your kid is not in the league, why do you care? League has been ok for my kid. Ups and downs like any other league. And he has received an offer just not sure he's taking it.
Haters gotta hate. We've been through this mutliple time this year, discussion ends here, because it's just down to personal opinion and facts/logic won't change anything.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Anon
anon
If your kid is not in the league, why do you care? League has been ok for my kid. Ups and downs like any other league. And he has received an offer just not sure he\'s taking it.
Haters gotta hate. We've been through this mutliple time this year, discussion ends here, because it's just down to personal opinion and facts/logic won't change anything.
When you encounter facts in life that don't go your way, its not hate. Its just the facts. If you disagree, sulking about it doesn't add anything. Lets see your facts.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
Anon
anon
If your kid is not in the league, why do you care? League has been ok for my kid. Ups and downs like any other league. And he has received an offer just not sure he\\\'s taking it.
Haters gotta hate. We\'ve been through this mutliple time this year, discussion ends here, because it\'s just down to personal opinion and facts/logic won\'t change anything.
When you encounter facts in life that don't go your way, its not hate. Its just the facts. If you disagree, sulking about it doesn't add anything. Lets see your facts.
I was referring to the lack of facts in statements by the haters, like this one.

The storyline you got lost on is that had DeRoche played USHL, BCHL, NAHL, CCHL, AJHL, anywhere but NCDC, he would have committed right out of the gate THIS season (August-September), not at the end of November as he just did.


Total conjecture.

And none of the haters have ever been able to come up with a reasonable, logical response to this:

If your kid is not in the league, why do you care?


There is ZERO downside to the NCDC taking this step for local hockey players. But, it's in its third month. Chances are, all other things being equal, a kid with an opportunity in the NAHL is going to to take it over NCDC (I don't count the Generals, that's juts BA Juniors now). The league is having a positive impact for local players, it is gaining the better players - like the above poster's kid - notice. College coaches and scouts are following it - players and parents are seeing them, talking to them. We can keep throwing facts out there about kids in the league getting commits, and the haters are just going to keep making dick-swinging statements like:

NCDC is never never land Tier III hockey - not a real JR hockey league. No one follows it.


And nothing said is going to change that. So, why bother?

Enjoy your misery.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Hey Misery. Why are you a NE Generals hater? Your kid got cut? Lets all pull for him and hope he has better luck next year.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
"There is ZERO downside to the NCDC taking this step for local hockey players."

Correct. There is ZERO risk to NCDC. The risk is to players wasting a season going nowhere in the NCDC. Also the risk is to parents of youth players getting no return for paying NCDC surcharges.

"The league is having a positive impact for local players."

Really? Other than aging out its players, what IS the league doing?

"NCDC is gaining the better players"

Not according to the numbers. And the numbers don't lie.

"NCDC is never never land Tier III hockey"

Correct.

USA Hockey says so - it rejected the NCDC Tier II bid.

Scouts say so - it has been reported that the league is a "laughing stock"

NCDC results say so - where are the commits? NCDC is getting smoked by the other leagues.





Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
"There is ZERO downside to the NCDC taking this step for local hockey players."

Correct. There is ZERO risk to NCDC. The risk is to players wasting a season going nowhere in the NCDC. Also the risk is to parents of youth players getting no return for paying NCDC surcharges.

"The league is having a positive impact for local players."

Really? Other than aging out its players, what IS the league doing?

"NCDC is gaining the better players"

Not according to the numbers. And the numbers don't lie.

"NCDC is never never land Tier III hockey"

Correct.

USA Hockey says so - it rejected the NCDC Tier II bid.

Scouts say so - it has been reported that the league is a "laughing stock"

NCDC results say so - where are the commits? NCDC is getting smoked by the other leagues.





Well, thank God we have anon to serve as the watchdog for all the clueless parents that have no idea what the end result may or may not be of signing that contract!

Give the "I'm smarter than you" stuff a rest. You aren't. Everyone knows what the player risks are.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
anon
Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
\"There is ZERO downside to the NCDC taking this step for local hockey players.\"

Correct. There is ZERO risk to NCDC. The risk is to players wasting a season going nowhere in the NCDC. Also the risk is to parents of youth players getting no return for paying NCDC surcharges.

\"The league is having a positive impact for local players.\"

Really? Other than aging out its players, what IS the league doing?

\"NCDC is gaining the better players\"

Not according to the numbers. And the numbers don\'t lie.

\"NCDC is never never land Tier III hockey\"

Correct.

USA Hockey says so - it rejected the NCDC Tier II bid.

Scouts say so - it has been reported that the league is a \"laughing stock\"

NCDC results say so - where are the commits? NCDC is getting smoked by the other leagues.





Well, thank God we have anon to serve as the watchdog for all the clueless parents that have no idea what the end result may or may not be of signing that contract!

Give the \"I\'m smarter than you\" stuff a rest. You aren\'t. Everyone knows what the player risks are.
You make a good point, anon.

There is no such thing as a clueless hockey parent. Only smart ones.

And no hockey program this side of the Mississippi has ever embellished about its program or a kid's abilities in order to get to the parent's wallet.

Got it. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
anon
anon
Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
\\\"There is ZERO downside to the NCDC taking this step for local hockey players.\\\"

Correct. There is ZERO risk to NCDC. The risk is to players wasting a season going nowhere in the NCDC. Also the risk is to parents of youth players getting no return for paying NCDC surcharges.

\\\"The league is having a positive impact for local players.\\\"

Really? Other than aging out its players, what IS the league doing?

\\\"NCDC is gaining the better players\\\"

Not according to the numbers. And the numbers don\\\'t lie.

\\\"NCDC is never never land Tier III hockey\\\"

Correct.

USA Hockey says so - it rejected the NCDC Tier II bid.

Scouts say so - it has been reported that the league is a \\\"laughing stock\\\"

NCDC results say so - where are the commits? NCDC is getting smoked by the other leagues.





Well, thank God we have anon to serve as the watchdog for all the clueless parents that have no idea what the end result may or may not be of signing that contract!

Give the \\\"I\\\'m smarter than you\\\" stuff a rest. You aren\\\'t. Everyone knows what the player risks are.
You make a good point, anon.

There is no such thing as a clueless hockey parent. Only smart ones.

And no hockey program this side of the Mississippi has ever embellished about its program or a kid's abilities in order to get to the parent's wallet.

Got it. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
By the time they're in Juniors, the number of clueless parents has dropped precipitously. Yes, the clubs still lie, but the parents are far less delusional.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
Congratulations to that NCDC player. A huge accomplishment as it is incredibly difficult to get looks in that league.

Nothing posted yet, though. Hope its real.

When will it hit the website.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
Congratulations to that NCDC player. A huge accomplishment as it is incredibly difficult to get looks in that league.

Nothing posted yet, though. Hope its real.

When will it hit the website.
Poster may be mistaken. The player is in the USHL according to the hockey commitments page on College Hockey Inc

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Anon
anon
Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
Congratulations to that NCDC player. A huge accomplishment as it is incredibly difficult to get looks in that league.

Nothing posted yet, though. Hope its real.

When will it hit the website.
Poster may be mistaken. The player is in the USHL according to the hockey commitments page on College Hockey Inc
Nope. Not USHL, the Colorado College commit is a US High School student. College Hockey Inc says is was Jackson Jutting, a 2001 Minnesota public High School player. Free public high school hockey. Congratulations to Jackson!

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Having been through this myself, the thing I don't understand is if the kid is interested in playing D-1 college hockey then why on God's earth do all of the local kids hang around New England waiting to see if they're good enough and doing time in lesser leagues hoping for someone to notice them?

Play in the Tier1 League, go to the summer camps out in the Midwest (a hint here: their camps are a lot cheaper than the ones around here!), meet the coaching staffs from the USHL teams when you're a Peewee or Bantam, try to fill-out the Midwest's team's rosters in tournaments here or there, create an ongoing dialog. The connected parents (ex-NHL'ers, D-1 legacy kids, NHL front office guy's kids....) they all get it. It just seems like the geographic divide is treated like it's the size of the Atlantic ocean. If you're serious about hockey then spend some time where it will be rewarded.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
Having been through this myself, the thing I don't understand is if the kid is interested in playing D-1 college hockey then why on God's earth do all of the local kids hang around New England waiting to see if they're good enough and doing time in lesser leagues hoping for someone to notice them?

Play in the Tier1 League, go to the summer camps out in the Midwest (a hint here: their camps are a lot cheaper than the ones around here!), meet the coaching staffs from the USHL teams when you're a Peewee or Bantam, try to fill-out the Midwest's team's rosters in tournaments here or there, create an ongoing dialog. The connected parents (ex-NHL'ers, D-1 legacy kids, NHL front office guy's kids....) they all get it. It just seems like the geographic divide is treated like it's the size of the Atlantic ocean. If you're serious about hockey then spend some time where it will be rewarded.
It's because NE hockey has an unrealistic view of where it ranks nationally. We've done the thinks you talk about - and had a blast doing so - and all you ever hear or read is "money grab."

It isn't. The things you talk about are great experiences, a lot better than playing exclusively local with the exception of the occasional tournament.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Any parent of a better than average kid should take a look at doing a summer camp of one of the programs that have an USHL team or one that draws Tier1 kids. Does this mean the kid will someday play out there? No, but at least the kid will get to see the lay of the land. Some of these camps are a couple hundred dollars a week....the local hockey people here wouldn't bother turning the lights on at the rink for what these guys charge and a few family days in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Chicago...not so bad.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
Having been through this myself, the thing I don't understand is if the kid is interested in playing D-1 college hockey then why on God's earth do all of the local kids hang around New England waiting to see if they're good enough and doing time in lesser leagues hoping for someone to notice them?

Play in the Tier1 League, go to the summer camps out in the Midwest (a hint here: their camps are a lot cheaper than the ones around here!), meet the coaching staffs from the USHL teams when you're a Peewee or Bantam, try to fill-out the Midwest's team's rosters in tournaments here or there, create an ongoing dialog. The connected parents (ex-NHL'ers, D-1 legacy kids, NHL front office guy's kids....) they all get it. It just seems like the geographic divide is treated like it's the size of the Atlantic ocean. If you're serious about hockey then spend some time where it will be rewarded.
Excellent suggestions.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Anon
anon
Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
Congratulations to that NCDC player. A huge accomplishment as it is incredibly difficult to get looks in that league.

Nothing posted yet, though. Hope its real.

When will it hit the website.
Poster may be mistaken. The player is in the USHL according to the hockey commitments page on College Hockey Inc
Not mistaken.

http://www.usphl.com/news_article/show/863966?referral=rss

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
Anon
anon
Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
Congratulations to that NCDC player. A huge accomplishment as it is incredibly difficult to get looks in that league.

Nothing posted yet, though. Hope its real.

When will it hit the website.
Poster may be mistaken. The player is in the USHL according to the hockey commitments page on College Hockey Inc
Not mistaken.

http://www.usphl.com/news_article/show/863966?referral=rss
it's a verbal commitment, and I guarantee you he won't be with the NJ Hitmen next season, either USHL or NAHL

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Anon
anon
Anon
anon
Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
Congratulations to that NCDC player. A huge accomplishment as it is incredibly difficult to get looks in that league.

Nothing posted yet, though. Hope its real.

When will it hit the website.
Poster may be mistaken. The player is in the USHL according to the hockey commitments page on College Hockey Inc
Not mistaken.

http://www.usphl.com/news_article/show/863966?referral=rss
it's a verbal commitment, and I guarantee you he won't be with the NJ Hitmen next season, either USHL or NAHL
And so now we are only counting NCDC D1 LOI commits that are going straight to college? Silly me, I thought Tier 2 was SUPPOSED to be a stepping stone to Tier 1.

The statements made are - league is a joke, no no one is following the league, no one is committing to D1 from the league. But, when facts are presented to show that just isn't true, the detractors try to deflect by saying "poster is mistaken, it's a verbal commitment, he won't be NCDC next year, he wasn't NCDC last year."

The league is 3+ months old. It is a positive step for local players. it is not the be-all, end-all solution. But, it is not negative in any way.

Now, you want negative, go see what's happening over in the NA3HL.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
Anon
anon
Anon
anon
Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
Congratulations to that NCDC player. A huge accomplishment as it is incredibly difficult to get looks in that league.

Nothing posted yet, though. Hope its real.

When will it hit the website.
Poster may be mistaken. The player is in the USHL according to the hockey commitments page on College Hockey Inc
Not mistaken.

http://www.usphl.com/news_article/show/863966?referral=rss
it\'s a verbal commitment, and I guarantee you he won\'t be with the NJ Hitmen next season, either USHL or NAHL
And so now we are only counting NCDC D1 LOI commits that are going straight to college? Silly me, I thought Tier 2 was SUPPOSED to be a stepping stone to Tier 1.

The statements made are - league is a joke, no no one is following the league, no one is committing to D1 from the league. But, when facts are presented to show that just isn't true, the detractors try to deflect by saying "poster is mistaken, it's a verbal commitment, he won't be NCDC next year, he wasn't NCDC last year."

The league is 3+ months old. It is a positive step for local players. it is not the be-all, end-all solution. But, it is not negative in any way.

Now, you want negative, go see what's happening over in the NA3HL.
What’s a joke is the notion that NCDC is Tier 2 hockey. But I would agree with you that NCDC is on par with NA3HL. NCDC is a DEVELOPMENTAL league. A typical NCDC team - no depth, skill levels range from decent to poor, lots of project players, dreamers, players struggling to learn game basics, e.g., the head man pass. This all makes for BAD hockey and BAD hockey games.

Look at the 11/27 Rockets v Islanders 9:30 am game. Yes. 9:30 am. A joke. Lopsided, completely mis-matched teams. Empty, dumpy ice rink. Neither the coaches nor referees with any control over the game or the players. 30 penalties. Almost 90 penalty minutes. No scouts, no fans, just a few parents who drove their kid to the game. Bottom line. No one cares. Not even the NCDC. Here today, gone tomorrow.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
anon
Anon
anon
Anon
anon
Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
Congratulations to that NCDC player. A huge accomplishment as it is incredibly difficult to get looks in that league.

Nothing posted yet, though. Hope its real.

When will it hit the website.
Poster may be mistaken. The player is in the USHL according to the hockey commitments page on College Hockey Inc
Not mistaken.

http://www.usphl.com/news_article/show/863966?referral=rss
it\\\'s a verbal commitment, and I guarantee you he won\\\'t be with the NJ Hitmen next season, either USHL or NAHL
And so now we are only counting NCDC D1 LOI commits that are going straight to college? Silly me, I thought Tier 2 was SUPPOSED to be a stepping stone to Tier 1.

The statements made are - league is a joke, no no one is following the league, no one is committing to D1 from the league. But, when facts are presented to show that just isn\'t true, the detractors try to deflect by saying \"poster is mistaken, it\'s a verbal commitment, he won\'t be NCDC next year, he wasn\'t NCDC last year.\"

The league is 3+ months old. It is a positive step for local players. it is not the be-all, end-all solution. But, it is not negative in any way.

Now, you want negative, go see what\'s happening over in the NA3HL.
What’s a joke is the notion that NCDC is Tier 2 hockey. But I would agree with you that NCDC is on par with NA3HL. NCDC is a DEVELOPMENTAL league. A typical NCDC team - no depth, skill levels range from decent to poor, lots of project players, dreamers, players struggling to learn game basics, e.g., the head man pass. This all makes for BAD hockey and BAD hockey games.

Look at the 11/27 Rockets v Islanders 9:30 am game. Yes. 9:30 am. A joke. Lopsided, completely mis-matched teams. Empty, dumpy ice rink. Neither the coaches nor referees with any control over the game or the players. 30 penalties. Almost 90 penalty minutes. No scouts, no fans, just a few parents who drove their kid to the game. Bottom line. No one cares. Not even the NCDC. Here today, gone tomorrow.
I genuinely feel badly for you.

I would hate to be you. Thankful that I'm not.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

anon
anon
anon
Anon
anon
Anon
anon
Anon
Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
Congratulations to that NCDC player. A huge accomplishment as it is incredibly difficult to get looks in that league.

Nothing posted yet, though. Hope its real.

When will it hit the website.
Poster may be mistaken. The player is in the USHL according to the hockey commitments page on College Hockey Inc
Not mistaken.

http://www.usphl.com/news_article/show/863966?referral=rss
it\\\\\\\'s a verbal commitment, and I guarantee you he won\\\\\\\'t be with the NJ Hitmen next season, either USHL or NAHL
And so now we are only counting NCDC D1 LOI commits that are going straight to college? Silly me, I thought Tier 2 was SUPPOSED to be a stepping stone to Tier 1.

The statements made are - league is a joke, no no one is following the league, no one is committing to D1 from the league. But, when facts are presented to show that just isn\\\'t true, the detractors try to deflect by saying \\\"poster is mistaken, it\\\'s a verbal commitment, he won\\\'t be NCDC next year, he wasn\\\'t NCDC last year.\\\"

The league is 3+ months old. It is a positive step for local players. it is not the be-all, end-all solution. But, it is not negative in any way.

Now, you want negative, go see what\\\'s happening over in the NA3HL.
What’s a joke is the notion that NCDC is Tier 2 hockey. But I would agree with you that NCDC is on par with NA3HL. NCDC is a DEVELOPMENTAL league. A typical NCDC team - no depth, skill levels range from decent to poor, lots of project players, dreamers, players struggling to learn game basics, e.g., the head man pass. This all makes for BAD hockey and BAD hockey games.

Look at the 11/27 Rockets v Islanders 9:30 am game. Yes. 9:30 am. A joke. Lopsided, completely mis-matched teams. Empty, dumpy ice rink. Neither the coaches nor referees with any control over the game or the players. 30 penalties. Almost 90 penalty minutes. No scouts, no fans, just a few parents who drove their kid to the game. Bottom line. No one cares. Not even the NCDC. Here today, gone tomorrow.
I genuinely feel badly for you.

I would hate to be you. Thankful that I'm not.
Look at the bright side, anon. There's good news and bad news. The bad news is that you are probably affiliated with the NCDC. The good news is that at least you can still find something to be thankful for.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

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Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
Congratulations to that NCDC player. A huge accomplishment as it is incredibly difficult to get looks in that league.

Nothing posted yet, though. Hope its real.

When will it hit the website.
Poster may be mistaken. The player is in the USHL according to the hockey commitments page on College Hockey Inc
Not mistaken.

http://www.usphl.com/news_article/show/863966?referral=rss
it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s a verbal commitment, and I guarantee you he won\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t be with the NJ Hitmen next season, either USHL or NAHL
And so now we are only counting NCDC D1 LOI commits that are going straight to college? Silly me, I thought Tier 2 was SUPPOSED to be a stepping stone to Tier 1.

The statements made are - league is a joke, no no one is following the league, no one is committing to D1 from the league. But, when facts are presented to show that just isn\\\\\\\'t true, the detractors try to deflect by saying \\\\\\\"poster is mistaken, it\\\\\\\'s a verbal commitment, he won\\\\\\\'t be NCDC next year, he wasn\\\\\\\'t NCDC last year.\\\\\\\"

The league is 3+ months old. It is a positive step for local players. it is not the be-all, end-all solution. But, it is not negative in any way.

Now, you want negative, go see what\\\\\\\'s happening over in the NA3HL.
What’s a joke is the notion that NCDC is Tier 2 hockey. But I would agree with you that NCDC is on par with NA3HL. NCDC is a DEVELOPMENTAL league. A typical NCDC team - no depth, skill levels range from decent to poor, lots of project players, dreamers, players struggling to learn game basics, e.g., the head man pass. This all makes for BAD hockey and BAD hockey games.

Look at the 11/27 Rockets v Islanders 9:30 am game. Yes. 9:30 am. A joke. Lopsided, completely mis-matched teams. Empty, dumpy ice rink. Neither the coaches nor referees with any control over the game or the players. 30 penalties. Almost 90 penalty minutes. No scouts, no fans, just a few parents who drove their kid to the game. Bottom line. No one cares. Not even the NCDC. Here today, gone tomorrow.
I genuinely feel badly for you.

I would hate to be you. Thankful that I\'m not.
Look at the bright side, anon. There's good news and bad news. The bad news is that you are probably affiliated with the NCDC. The good news is that at least you can still find something to be thankful for.
Sorry to disappoint, but no. I just don't see how it's a negative. Certainly see no reason to bash the league. Even less reason to pile on, like some of you are intent to do. Don't understand that motivation.

Would I choose it over the NAHL? No, not yet. But, versus Tier 3 teams? Absolutely.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

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Another NCDC to D1 commit to CO College today. But no one is following the league.
Congratulations to that NCDC player. A huge accomplishment as it is incredibly difficult to get looks in that league.

Nothing posted yet, though. Hope its real.

When will it hit the website.
Poster may be mistaken. The player is in the USHL according to the hockey commitments page on College Hockey Inc
Not mistaken.

http://www.usphl.com/news_article/show/863966?referral=rss
it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s a verbal commitment, and I guarantee you he won\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t be with the NJ Hitmen next season, either USHL or NAHL
And so now we are only counting NCDC D1 LOI commits that are going straight to college? Silly me, I thought Tier 2 was SUPPOSED to be a stepping stone to Tier 1.

The statements made are - league is a joke, no no one is following the league, no one is committing to D1 from the league. But, when facts are presented to show that just isn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t true, the detractors try to deflect by saying \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"poster is mistaken, it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s a verbal commitment, he won\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t be NCDC next year, he wasn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t NCDC last year.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

The league is 3+ months old. It is a positive step for local players. it is not the be-all, end-all solution. But, it is not negative in any way.

Now, you want negative, go see what\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s happening over in the NA3HL.
What’s a joke is the notion that NCDC is Tier 2 hockey. But I would agree with you that NCDC is on par with NA3HL. NCDC is a DEVELOPMENTAL league. A typical NCDC team - no depth, skill levels range from decent to poor, lots of project players, dreamers, players struggling to learn game basics, e.g., the head man pass. This all makes for BAD hockey and BAD hockey games.

Look at the 11/27 Rockets v Islanders 9:30 am game. Yes. 9:30 am. A joke. Lopsided, completely mis-matched teams. Empty, dumpy ice rink. Neither the coaches nor referees with any control over the game or the players. 30 penalties. Almost 90 penalty minutes. No scouts, no fans, just a few parents who drove their kid to the game. Bottom line. No one cares. Not even the NCDC. Here today, gone tomorrow.
I genuinely feel badly for you.

I would hate to be you. Thankful that I\\\'m not.
Look at the bright side, anon. There\'s good news and bad news. The bad news is that you are probably affiliated with the NCDC. The good news is that at least you can still find something to be thankful for.
Sorry to disappoint, but no. I just don't see how it's a negative. Certainly see no reason to bash the league. Even less reason to pile on, like some of you are intent to do. Don't understand that motivation.

Would I choose it over the NAHL? No, not yet. But, versus Tier 3 teams? Absolutely.
So why are you bashing the NA3HL, anon?

Are you saying the NCDC, while not up to the level of the NAHL, is a actually a better league than NA3HL? How so? Both NA3HL and NCDC are developmental leagues. Neither NA3HL or NCDC is Tier 2. Both NA3HL and NCDC are intermediate steps to Tier 2 or Tier 1.

Other than personal opinion, in what way is NCDC supposedly a better league than NA3HL?

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Does the NCDC put forth any effort to get its players D1 commitments? From the start of the season, NCDC's eleven teams combined for a mere four (4) D1 commits. The NAHL announced four D1 commits last week alone.

What is NCDC's value proposition? Is it sustainable?

Time to reorganize.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

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Does the NCDC put forth any effort to get its players D1 commitments? From the start of the season, NCDC's eleven teams combined for a mere four (4) D1 commits. The NAHL announced four D1 commits last week alone.

What is NCDC's value proposition? Is it sustainable?

Time to reorganize.
You can reorganize and rename all you want but you have to have the players. Players earn D1 opportunities, not leagues. D1 spots are more competetive than ever with all of the players they are now recruiting from Canada and Europe. The pyramid gets tighter and tighter. A smarter play for this league is to focus on northeast D3 placements. Taking on T1 and the USHL just isn't a winning strategy.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

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Does the NCDC put forth any effort to get its players D1 commitments? From the start of the season, NCDC\'s eleven teams combined for a mere four (4) D1 commits. The NAHL announced four D1 commits last week alone.

What is NCDC\'s value proposition? Is it sustainable?

Time to reorganize.
You can reorganize and rename all you want but you have to have the players. Players earn D1 opportunities, not leagues. D1 spots are more competetive than ever with all of the players they are now recruiting from Canada and Europe. The pyramid gets tighter and tighter. A smarter play for this league is to focus on northeast D3 placements. Taking on T1 and the USHL just isn't a winning strategy.
The USPHL/NCDC wouldn't last long selling itself as the "one path" to a chance at a Northeast D3 commitment.

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Does the NCDC put forth any effort to get its players D1 commitments? From the start of the season, NCDC\\\'s eleven teams combined for a mere four (4) D1 commits. The NAHL announced four D1 commits last week alone.

What is NCDC\\\'s value proposition? Is it sustainable?

Time to reorganize.
You can reorganize and rename all you want but you have to have the players. Players earn D1 opportunities, not leagues. D1 spots are more competetive than ever with all of the players they are now recruiting from Canada and Europe. The pyramid gets tighter and tighter. A smarter play for this league is to focus on northeast D3 placements. Taking on T1 and the USHL just isn\'t a winning strategy.
The USPHL/NCDC wouldn't last long selling itself as the "one path" to a chance at a Northeast D3 commitment.

No one said "one path". There is more than one path to hockey at any level.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Yeah because the honest path to D-3 hockey includes high school hockey or Midget hockey, any junior league, college club hockey and just about anything else you can think of.

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Yeah because the honest path to D-3 hockey includes high school hockey or Midget hockey, any junior league, college club hockey and just about anything else you can think of.
You are right. There are many equally good alternatives besides NCDC to get to D3. But NCDC marketed itself as "one path" to college hockey. NCDC's record thus far is for all intents and purposes, that means D3 or below. But yes, NCDC competes with high school, midget and all other junior leagues for D3 roster spots.

The question is whether NCDC can continue if equally good alternatives present themselves in high school midget and other junior leagues. Can it justify its expense to those that pay to support it.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

The anti-NCDC contingent is becoming as boring as the endless, pointless EHF-E9 debate on the Kiddie Boards.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Go watch a Generals game, then go watch a Kings/Bandits/Whoever NCDC game. Sorry folks, not even close. Bash BA and Generals all you want, much better talent, much better development plan/path. A bunch of D1 commits already, all have high-end D3 offers but are waiting for the real D1 offer to come through. Very different compared to the USPHL where kids are jumping on low end D3 offers early in the season. A lot of 99’s and 00’s vs 97’s and 98’s still chasing the dream.

Hey EHF daddy, let it go, end result is those leagues are not all that.

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Go watch a Generals game, then go watch a Kings/Bandits/Whoever NCDC game. Sorry folks, not even close. Bash BA and Generals all you want, much better talent, much better development plan/path. A bunch of D1 commits already, all have high-end D3 offers but are waiting for the real D1 offer to come through. Very different compared to the USPHL where kids are jumping on low end D3 offers early in the season. A lot of 99’s and 00’s vs 97’s and 98’s still chasing the dream.

Hey EHF daddy, let it go, end result is those leagues are not all that.
I have not seen one person say that NCDC is the equal of NAHL in its first year of existence. That doesn't mean NCDC is a negative. It isn't.

BTW, do a search on the posts about the Generals from, like, this summer. All the D Board geniuses said they would be folding.

But, you can keep TL and his playing favorites. I'll pass.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

Your kid is clearly an EHF disciple that woke up one day when he was 16 and realized that him being "elite" all those years meant nothing.

Sorry your kid got cut from the Generals.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

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Your kid is clearly an EHF disciple that woke up one day when he was 16 and realized that him being "elite" all those years meant nothing.

Sorry your kid got cut from the Generals.
Problem is much bigger than one kid with sour grapes for not making a legit USA Hockey JR league team.

NCDC took a huge risk shunning USA Hockey. USA Hockey's counter punch may be putting the shun on NCDC. NCAA D1 depends too much on USA Hockey's USHL and NAHL players to let rogue NCDC upset that apple cart. From the looks of NCDC's in season commits, one could think the NCAA D1 shun is on for players foolish enough, like NCDC, to shun Big Brother USA Hockey.

NCDC has to make peace with USA Hockey, and for the sake of its players, it better do it soon.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

I was at both Titans- Generals games last weekend. That is what real junior hockey is. The Generals really made it special for the players with a top-notch presentation. The stands were packed and scouts were practically hanging off the rafters. Few overage players. Fast and physical play all game long. Take in a Generals game and then drive up 128 to Foxboro and see the difference.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

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I was at both Titans- Generals games last weekend. That is what real junior hockey is. The Generals really made it special for the players with a top-notch presentation. The stands were packed and scouts were practically hanging off the rafters. Few overage players. Fast and physical play all game long. Take in a Generals game and then drive up 128 to Foxboro and see the difference.
Thanks, JL. BTW, I know you are used to driving up and down 24, but that isn't 128 south of the Split.

Re: Proof of the pudding is in the eating

For the NCDCers, is the plan to rejoin USA Hockey next season? Any hints on direction from the front office?

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For the NCDCers, is the plan to rejoin USA Hockey next season? Any hints on direction from the front office?
It isn't that they didn't join, USA Hockey refused to grant Tier II status because of the funding model. That isn't going to change, so NCDC has no choice but to stay the course.

I also haven't heard any of the "taxed" parents complaining, though. They don't even know they're being charged extra.

But, I sincerely doubt USA Hockey is going to acknowledge that.